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Yeah, that's what I was thinking. With the year's layoff and short pre-season, I don't figure he's gotten to full-speed game shape yet. At least I hope that's the case -- it sucks seeing a diminished Gronk. By December, when the Bucs are fighting for a playoff spot, I hope he's out there destroying defenses.
 

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I think his comment is the good soldier. He always was one here, no matter his role. His various forays into entertainment showed nothing other than boredom and that a football team is where he likes to be.
 

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Tom looked mostly great today. Was nice to see. He’s definitely got a rapport with his receivers and Gronks comments above feel like mind games after how many receptions he got today.
 

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With 5 TDs today vs Brees’ 2, TB12 now only 3 behind Brees for the all time lead. Sad to see him no longer with the Pats, but if he can just stop throwing the ball to the other team he has a real shot at that record with all his new weapons this year.
 

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This game showed what Brady with an arsenal of weapons can do. Evans alone makes a huge difference given his ups and strength however Brady didn't just target one person - he spread the ball around a lot.

It may mean nothing in the bigger picture but it was fantastic watching him ball out.
 

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This game showed what Brady with an arsenal of weapons can do. Evans alone makes a huge difference given his ups and strength however Brady didn't just target one person - he spread the ball around a lot.

It may mean nothing in the bigger picture but it was fantastic watching him ball out.
And realistically, it wasn’t even really an arsenal of weapons. Gronk is basically toast. Howard played well and then tore his achilles. No Godwin. Evans at much less than 100%. And he still tore up a really good defense.

If he stays healthy, he has great shot of having his 2nd highest TD total of his career. At age 43.
 

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The Chargers have a good defense when healthy, but they have a ton of injuries that have pretty much decimated both the pass rush and the secondary...when you add in the game day decisions of Lynn, the Chargers are definitely hampered.
 

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Brady through four games: 101-155 (65.%), 1,122 yds, 7.2 y/a, 11 td, 4 int, 99.4 rating

Those numbers wouldn't be his best ever, but a marked improvement from last year, statistically.
 

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Brady through four games: 101-155 (65.%), 1,122 yds, 7.2 y/a, 11 td, 4 int, 99.4 rating

Those numbers wouldn't be his best ever, but a marked improvement from last year, statistically.
Not vs 4 games thru last year.

90-145, 62.07%, 1,061 yds, 7.32 Y/A, 7 TD, 1 INT 97.5

And thru 5 last year:
118-187, 63.10%, 1,409 yds, 7.53 Y/A, 10 TD, 2 INT, 99.4 rating
 
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Brady through four games: 101-155 (65.%), 1,122 yds, 7.2 y/a, 11 td, 4 int, 99.4 rating

Those numbers wouldn't be his best ever, but a marked improvement from last year, statistically.
Amazing what 3 quarters can do...that would have been 7td and 4 int before the late 2nd quarter TD.

Brady is what we all know he is, a QB who knows what is going on and if he has time and can throw using his proper throwing motion can make most throws.
But if he gets off schedule and plays are not going to plan he will look 43.
 

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Worth noting that offensive performance is way up across the league through four weeks. Tom is 14th in traditional QB rating and 19th in total QBR.
Having seen his full slate, my eyes say he’s fine. Better than last year? I don’t necessarily see that, I think he’s flat out missing throws every game he used to hit in his sleep, and even making some really poor reads like we saw from him the last few years.

I think he’s middle of the pack among starting QB. That’s not a slam on TB, it’s more that the league has some serious depth at QB talent.

They’re a playoff contender if he plays this way. Super Bowl? No.
 

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Worth noting that offensive performance is way up across the league through four weeks. Tom is 14th in traditional QB rating and 19th in total QBR.
Having seen his full slate, my eyes say he’s fine. Better than last year? I don’t necessarily see that, I think he’s flat out missing throws every game he used to hit in his sleep, and even making some really poor reads like we saw from him the last few years.

I think he’s middle of the pack among starting QB. That’s not a slam on TB, it’s more that the league has some serious depth at QB talent.

They’re a playoff contender if he plays this way. Super Bowl? No.
The fact that he's on a completely new team in a new system with new receivers in a year where he had a shortened offseason and no preseason games while dealing with a ton of injuries on offense (Evans, Godwin, Howard, Fournette and McCoy have all missed time and even Miller missed a week of practices) plays no part in this evaluation? His two best games have been his most recent ones, I see no reason to believe he won't improve going forward.
 

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The fact that he's on a completely new team in a new system with new receivers in a year where he had a shortened offseason and no preseason games while dealing with a ton of injuries on offense (Evans, Godwin, Howard, Fournette and McCoy have all missed time and even Miller missed a week of practices) plays no part in this evaluation? His two best games have been his most recent ones, I see no reason to believe he won't improve going forward.
How can we evaluate games that haven’t happened yet? I’m not sure what headroom you think he has from yesterday’s second half performance.

If I add ‘so far, and he could get better,’ is that ok? I mean, he could also get WORSE as his 43 year old body takes hits over the course of the season, no? Seems like quite a rabbit hole to dive into when we have 4 games of play to assess.
 

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With 5 TDs today vs Brees’ 2, TB12 now only 3 behind Brees for the all time lead. Sad to see him no longer with the Pats, but if he can just stop throwing the ball to the other team he has a real shot at that record with all his new weapons this year.
Tom is about 3,000 yards behind Brees for the all-time passing yards record (of course, if you count playoff games, Brady moves ahead). With speculation that Brees might retire after this season, Tom might only need to play one more season in Tampa to retire with the all-time records for Wins, Yards, and Touchdowns.
 

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How can we evaluate games that haven’t happened yet? I’m not sure what headroom you think he has from yesterday’s second half performance.

If I add ‘so far, and he could get better,’ is that ok? I mean, he could also get WORSE as his 43 year old body takes hits over the course of the season, no? Seems like quite a rabbit hole to dive into when we have 4 games of play to assess.
I'm not evaluating games that haven't happened yet, I'm saying you have to factor the adaptation to a new team and the injuries into the equation. Even with that, he's improving and the kind of miscommunications he had with receivers in the first two games have gone down in frequency. Also, as long as we're giving credence to stuff like Total QBR, might as well throw out that he's the 3rd highest graded QB by PFF.
 

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At one point in the first half yesterday he had 29 attempts and 106 yards. It's not like they came out guns a blazin yesterday
 

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Looking at TB's schedule and how team defenses are shaking out and it looks like the Bucs have had a nice and easy schedule and will continue to face many easy opponents going forward including many of the worst defensive teams playing right now.

@LV, @NYG, NO, @CAR after @CHI this Thurs and the Packers on the 18th. (Bears have been good against the pass and have only allowed one passing TD)

Then LAR, a big game v. KC and four straight games against the defensive dregs of the NFL to close the season:

MINN, @ATL, @DET, ATL

The scheduling gods appear to have shone down on the GOAT.
 

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At one point in the first half yesterday he had 29 attempts and 106 yards. It's not like they came out guns a blazin yesterday

Well, they kind of did. He marched them right down the field for a TD on 1st drive. Then, they were moving again until the miscommunication Pick 6. And after that things stalled a bit until the first drive of the 2nd half.
 

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At one point in the first half yesterday he had 29 attempts and 106 yards. It's not like they came out guns a blazin yesterday
I actually think this is encouraging. In previous games the offense was much less effective after the half. Arians scripts out 30 plays (basically a half's worth), 15 passes, 15 runs, and his QB picks the passes, so presumably Brady was picking the stuff he's more comfortable with, and they were struggling once they got out of that set of plays. The second-half success yesterday I think indicates more of a comfort level with the whole offense.

Not vs 4 games thru last year.

90-145, 62.07%, 1,061 yds, 7.32 Y/A, 7 TD, 1 INT 97.5

And thru 5 last year:
118-187, 63.10%, 1,409 yds, 7.53 Y/A, 10 TD, 2 INT, 99.4 rating
It's easy to forget that it was really a tale of two offenses last year. The first half, the passing O was pretty good and the run game was awful. The second half, the passing O was lousy and the run game was OK. Injuries factored pretty heavily into both (Wynn and the FBs the first half; Gordon, Brady, Edelman, Sanu the second)
 

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I actually think this is encouraging. In previous games the offense was much less effective after the half. Arians scripts out 30 plays (basically a half's worth), 15 passes, 15 runs, and his QB picks the passes, so presumably Brady was picking the stuff he's more comfortable with, and they were struggling once they got out of that set of plays. The second-half success yesterday I think indicates more of a comfort level with the whole offense.


It's easy to forget that it was really a tale of two offenses last year. The first half, the passing O was pretty good and the run game was awful. The second half, the passing O was lousy and the run game was OK. Injuries factored pretty heavily into both (Wynn and the FBs the first half; Gordon, Brady, Edelman, Sanu the second)
I think the passing offense was pedestrian at best starting with the Buffalo game. The Pittsburgh and Miami games distorted the early season numbers a whole lot.
 

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I’m officially in that phase of the relationship with an ex- where I thought I wanted things to be amicable but now every time I see them out at the bar making out with somebody else I want to see bad things happen to them.
 

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I think the passing offense was pedestrian at best starting with the Buffalo game. The Pittsburgh and Miami games distorted the early season numbers a whole lot.
The Buffalo game was a disaster but it was OK a few more weeks after that. Things didn't get ugly until later. They scored 20 points or less six times (including the playoff game); Buffalo was the only one of of those before Week 9. Weirdly, the second Buffalo game might have been the offense's best performance in the second half.
 

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Brady through four games: 101-155 (65.%), 1,122 yds, 7.2 y/a, 11 td, 4 int, 99.4 rating

Those numbers wouldn't be his best ever, but a marked improvement from last year, statistically.
He has also given the opposing teams 12 free points with 2 Pick 6s, yes?
 

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I’m officially in that phase of the relationship with an ex- where I thought I wanted things to be amicable but now every time I see them out at the bar making out with somebody else I want to see bad things happen to them.

... so maybe this is a lesson in not stalking our ex?
 

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This game showed what Brady with an arsenal of weapons can do. Evans alone makes a huge difference given his ups and strength however Brady didn't just target one person - he spread the ball around a lot.

It may mean nothing in the bigger picture but it was fantastic watching him ball out.
Yep. I only caught a few TB offensive series in the second half. But watching Evans adjust on a few deep balls was a thing of beauty.
 

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This gem from NFL Throwback was uploaded today: Patriots come back from 24-0 at halftime to beat Denver in OT in 2013. This was the "Belichick takes the wind" game. A classic, what stands out to me (and why I'm putting it in this thread) is just how cooked Manning looked in this game. Obviously it was classic cold weather Peyton, and his 2013 stats appear to be quite good, but man he looks so decrepit in this game. Brady, even at 43, looks miles better than Peyton in this game. To think, Peyton was probably on the gas too.

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZohM6MNv2ZY
 

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The pick that he throws after the Pats take the lead that gets called back for holding on the Pats is the most quintessential panic Peyton throw ever. I do not for a second believe he made that throw knowing he was getting a flag / free play. It was probably the worst throw of his career. I laugh so hard every time I see it even though they threw a flag and the Broncos ended up scoring on that drive. It was such a poor, panicked decision.
 

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Not vs 4 games thru last year.

90-145, 62.07%, 1,061 yds, 7.32 Y/A, 7 TD, 1 INT 97.5

And thru 5 last year:
118-187, 63.10%, 1,409 yds, 7.53 Y/A, 10 TD, 2 INT, 99.4 rating
Thru 5 games:
126-196, 64.3%, 1,375 yds, 7.02 Y/A, 12 TD, 2 INT, 96.8 rating

Vs. last year:
118-187, 63.1%, 1,409 yds, 7.53 Y/A, 10 TD, 2 INT, 99.4 rating
 

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Seems perfectly cromulent. Better talent, less time to get acclimated.
 

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This gem from NFL Throwback was uploaded today: Patriots come back from 24-0 at halftime to beat Denver in OT in 2013. This was the "Belichick takes the wind" game. A classic, what stands out to me (and why I'm putting it in this thread) is just how cooked Manning looked in this game. Obviously it was classic cold weather Peyton, and his 2013 stats appear to be quite good, but man he looks so decrepit in this game. Brady, even at 43, looks miles better than Peyton in this game. To think, Peyton was probably on the gas too.

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZohM6MNv2ZY
It's amazing that Gronkowski played several more seasons. He gets wrecked on every play and seems to have to rearrange his parts every time.
 
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About the same, within the context of those two games.
Although if you play 20 years and make a few of those mistakes, it's not the same as if you play 20 games and make a few of those mistakes.
I'd also suggest that Brady was failing to complete a difficult pass at the time, and Hoyer was failing to throw the ball away to easily avoid a devastating sack, and their actions need to be taken into consideration as well as their miscounting.
 

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Did Brady seem a little more on edge last night than we are used to seeing him on the Patriots or was it my imagination.

He's always been fiery especially when he perceives that the line is not doing its job and he can't get a pocket to throw from. But he always seemed to have this mode where he would lose his shit for a minute or two and then immediately find his inner zen and calm down and get that game face back on.

Last night it just seemed more edgy and more about him. And he didn't seem to be able to get back to that zen state and put the game face back on as quickly. He looked like he was seething throughout the second half even when they were winning the game.

The Bucs are a more edgy team than the Patriots. Arians seems to have less deference to situational type plays and the team certainly can be undisciplined at times but they are also exciting in "the big play is always around the corner" kind of way. Maybe it's just the culture.
 

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Did Brady seem a little more on edge last night than we are used to seeing him on the Patriots or was it my imagination.

He's always been fiery especially when he perceives that the line is not doing its job and he can't get a pocket to throw from. But he always seemed to have this mode where he would lose his shit for a minute or two and then immediately find his inner zen and calm down and get that game face back on.

Last night it just seemed more edgy and more about him. And he didn't seem to be able to get back to that zen state and put the game face back on as quickly. He looked like he was seething throughout the second half even when they were winning the game.

The Bucs are a more edgy team than the Patriots. Arians seems to have less deference to situational type plays and the team certainly can be undisciplined at times but they are also exciting in "the big play is always around the corner" kind of way. Maybe it's just the culture.
Brady is used to the “do your job” culture and joined a team that literally got like 40 yards in penalties on one offensive drive. That sequence basically ruined the game and would obviously have never happened in NE. His tackles were also turnstiles basically all game. I think you’re right that he was really frustrated that game. Saw him chew out his center, I believe.
 

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Brady is used to the “do your job” culture and joined a team that literally got like 40 yards in penalties on one offensive drive. That sequence basically ruined the game and would obviously have never happened in NE. His tackles were also turnstiles basically all game. I think you’re right that he was really frustrated that game. Saw him chew out his center, I believe.
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Yup. And our favorite BoB shouting match. Sometimes he would yell at the OL as a group to get their shit together but I don’t remember him going so hard after a single OL guy.