2021-2022 Yankees Offseason Discussion

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My point was more the AL East has 4 of the best teams in baseball and no one wants to fiinish 2nd or 3rd behind the Rays and play a 1-game post-season. That may be a motivator for Cashman to get very aggressive this off season .

We've argued the best team or the scariest team in the AL East might have been the BJs. I almost feel sorry for the Os fans.
Don't feel too bad for them. Because of the unbalanced schedule, the O's fans get to see good baseball teams 4 x 19 times a year.

I don't get firing all the coaches and keeping a middling manager like Boone around for another 3 years. I just don't see what you lose by letting him go and trying someone else.
 

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Don't feel too bad for them. Because of the unbalanced schedule, the O's fans get to see good baseball teams 4 x 19 times a year.

I don't get firing all the coaches and keeping a middling manager like Boone around for another 3 years. I just don't see what you lose by letting him go and trying someone else.
He takes the Yankees secrets to the team who hires him. And those are some super proprietary analytical types of secrets. Like how to take Gallo from a very good offensive player to one who goes back to his little league roots of swinging at everything.
 

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Not Correa?
I mean, he is better than Seager but Correa will likely cost decidedly more. Also Seager is lefty and if NY plans to use Peraza at SS within a year or so, then the defensive difference between Correa/Seager matters less.

But really I have less idea of what NY plans to do this winter than I have had for many years, so much internal evaluation and decision-making needs to happen. I saw someone say that Statcast said that Trevor Story would have had 47 HRs this year if he played all 162 in Yankee Stadium (obviously no one plays all 162 at home), he is good defensively and will likely be a lot cheaper than those other two.
 

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He takes the Yankees secrets to the team who hires him. And those are some super proprietary analytical types of secrets. Like how to take Gallo from a very good offensive player to one who goes back to his little league roots of swinging at everything.
Ha! I like you crow, someday we’re gonna hang.
 

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I'm going to be really disappointed if the Yankees sign a $300M shortstop in a deal that everyone knows they will regret within a year or three.
 

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Yep, 2nd round pick in 2018, 23 HRs in 350 ABs this year between high A and AA.

https://www.milb.com/player/josh-breaux-677007
Excerpt on my new favorite NYY prospect Josh Breaux from MLB.com: Similar to Gary Sanchez offensively, defensively and physically, Breaux has a lofty ceiling but is a long ways from reaching it. His well-above-average bat speed and strength coupled with an extremely aggressive approach give him the raw pop to deliver 35 or more homers per season. But he also swings and misses excessively, and he'll need to make better swing decisions and loft more balls in the air to fully tap into his power potential.
 

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OK, new idea, maybe this is already Cashman's plan...

So you bring back Boone for whatever reasons, but you have holes in the coaching staff from the recent firings. Move Carlos Mendoza from bench coach to 3rd base coach and pay Carlos Beltran to be Boone's bench coach. Boone is on a new three year deal so he can't feel too threatened, and if he does, good, maybe he will do a better job. Beltran has experience working in NY's front office and could help Boone with in-game decisions, and I can't say it enough that he is in Alex Cora's head from their time together in HOU and then later when Beltran was in NY's front office (again I cite Cora's London press conference).

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Yea, Beltran can get a real job. Not a helper of analytical interpretation and processing coach for Boone. I mean, bench coach on the Yankees has to be the most boring job in the world. The numbers say to put Gardner 9th. Yea but his swing typically has a 92 degree angle and the pitcher throws fastballs at 94mph which means he might miss it unless the pitcher throws a bad one and then its most likely to hit into the shift anyway. Okay, lets bat him 8th. Nah, I'm gonna bat him 9th anyway.
 

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I wish I loved anyone as much as Abbey loves Carlos Beltran.
Haha! I honestly don't care about him much either and never especially rooted for him as a player, and I would not be so keen to hire him if Cora wasn't the Red Sox manager. As it is, I think it is seriously crazy if NY does not scoop him up in some capacity.
 

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Can he, though? He is maybe holding out for a manager job, Hinch and Cora got rehired a full season ago now.
Is Beltran’s resume more tainted than Cora’s or Hinch’s, who both have jobs again? Was he the leader of the players’ nefarious acts, in Houston and possibly NY?
 

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Is Beltran’s resume more tainted than Cora’s or Hinch’s, who both have jobs again? Was he the leader of the players’ nefarious acts, in Houston and possibly NY?
I think it’s more that Cora and Hinch were already experienced and successful managers, but also Beltran made a ton of money as a player so can presumably be pickier about taking a job.
 

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Haha! I honestly don't care about him much either and never especially rooted for him as a player, and I would not be so keen to hire him if Cora wasn't the Red Sox manager. As it is, I think it is seriously crazy if NY does not scoop him up in some capacity.
Fair enough :).

I'm obviously not a fan of Beltran anymore and would never support him as manager, but that said, I think he has skills and putting him in the Bench Coach position would both help Boone and put a little pressure on him and that might be a good thing. While I'm a bit more ambivalent about Boone coming back than some of you, I don't think he deserves to be comfortable.
 

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Honest question regarding Correa - Is no one concerned about his history of back issues? Having those kind of problems at 25/26 would seem to bode ill for a 10+ year contract.
 

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Honest question regarding Correa - Is no one concerned about his history of back issues? Having those kind of problems at 25/26 would seem to bode ill for a 10+ year contract.
I think the linkages between Correa and Detroit make more sense.

Detroit has lots of experience managing players with humongous contracts and back problems.
 

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If the Yankees are going to give out a big contract for a SS, I agree with Abbey that Seager makes the most sense. Some injury concerns, yeah, but can hit, is left handed, and will eventually have to move to 3rd base anyway. And there will probably be an opening at 3rd around the same time the SS prospects are coming up, if not sooner.
 

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Honest question regarding Correa - Is no one concerned about his history of back issues? Having those kind of problems at 25/26 would seem to bode ill for a 10+ year contract.
For all the questions about Correa’s injury issues, Seager has basically averaged the same number of games as Correa over the past 4 years or so.

It’s an interesting decision. Better overall player and defender? Correa. Better hitter/lineup fit? Seager. Same age, same draft, debuted at the same time, similar injury concerns, similar track records of postseason excellence.
 

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Seager's injury list:
05/16/2021 Hand 60-Day Injured List
08/07/2020 Lower Back Day-To-Day
08/02/2020 Left Quad Day-To-Day
09/25/2019 Hamstring Day-To-Day
06/12/2019 Hamstring 10-Day Injured List
01/22/2019 Elbow/Hip Day-To-Day
01/22/2019 Elbow/Hip Day-To-Day
04/30/2018 Right Ucl Sprain - Out For Season 60-Day Injured List



Correa's injury list:
07/09/2021 Health Protocols 10-Day Injured List
09/15/2020 Leg Day-To-Day
09/24/2019 Back Day-To-Day
08/20/2019 Back 10-Day Injured List
08/19/2019 Back Day-To-Day
05/28/2019 Rib 60-Day Injured List
06/26/2018 Lower Back Soreness 10-Day Injured List


I think I'd rather take a chance on Seager based on injury history. I still kind of remember Donnie Baseball. Back problems are scary.
 

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Story seemed to take a step back this year offensively, but still grades out as an elite defender at SS.
 

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I think Story would still require a long deal and would be harder to move off of SS (understandably so) when the younger guys are ready. If the Yankees are very confident that at least one of the two SS prospects is going to be a solid pro, I think Seager or a defense-first lower tier SS on short years makes more sense. Particularly if Seager projects to be solid defensively at 3B. But I don't know if that is true.
 

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I think Story would still require a long deal and would be harder to move off of SS (understandably so) when the younger guys are ready. If the Yankees are very confident that at least one of the two SS prospects is going to be a solid pro, I think Seager or a defense-first lower tier SS on short years makes more sense. Particularly if Seager projects to be solid defensively at 3B. But I don't know if that is true.
Sorry to quote this guy a second time in response (it is not me, heh) but the general money for Story seems to be the consensus, and it's also possible he will take a one year pillow deal to try to rebuild value and sign a much bigger deal next winter.

View: https://twitter.com/HotStoveintel/status/1450901437651750913?s=20
 

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If Story would take that much less money and/or years, yeah, that would change things. I disagree with that twitter account that it all hinges on what they think of Volpe though. Volpe or Peraza have to stick.
 

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The amount of shortstops out there probably doesn't meet the buy side of teams who are willing to spend $150m+ on a SS. One of the free agents will get a crap contract and you can be damn sure that's the one Cashman will try to wait for. Then we won't get anyone and make a trade for a reliever.
 

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That's a risk, though, re-entering the market at 31-32 and gambling that, in the meantime, there won't be much of a post-Coors decrease in production
It's been pretty thoroughly proven in recent seasons that playing for COL doesn't really help your overall stats, road games hurt hitters as much as home games help them and switching back and forth between the two (where pitches literally move differently) all season long is very difficult.

But I don't really have a preference among these SSs, I do think price point matters. Also since Urshela has already shown that he can play adequate SS, it's possible that NY adds a proven 3B (the other Seager?) and lets Gio and Peraza compete for the SS job.
 

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NY went 7-3 against the two WS teams this year (4-2 against HOU, 3-1 against ATL) and 11-8 against the 52-110 Orioles. Good luck figuring that out, Brian.
 

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Oakland pinching pennies and Melvin is out.
Maybe Abbey's idea of going after Olsen is a little more plausible. Get it done Cashman!
 

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It’s hard to see any logical replacements for Sanchez who will be available, and the most rumored one just came off the board with Tucker Barnhart traded to the Tigers.
 

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Those were two strange deals to begin with, structured to keep NY under the cap. I wouldn’t be completely surprised to see either or both of them back with NY later in the offseason, but I’d personally prefer if both were not brought back.
 

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Those were two strange deals to begin with, structured to keep NY under the cap. I wouldn’t be completely surprised to see either or both of them back with NY later in the offseason, but I’d personally prefer if both were not brought back.
Gardner is already 38 (amazing to me), there just isn't much left in the tank there. I would think they could do better
 

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The important thing for now is they’re both off the 40 man for the rule 5, maybe 2022 will be the year where Cashman stops blocking his prospects with inferior veterans who are out of options to try to increase depth. Jay Bruce!
 

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Rojas is only 40 after two years managing the Mets, Felipe Alou’s son and Moises Alou’s half-brother.