2021 Gold Cup: CONCACAF AF

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T&T has zero chance of scoring but it’s crazy Mexico hasn’t scored 3-4 goals. I think they’ve had the ball about 90% of this match.
 

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I didn't stay up for this one. Mexico couldn't beat T&T? Hilarious. That's the sort of result the doom-and-gloomers are worrying about for the USMNT C team.
 

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Great result.

I hope Chucky is alright because that was a horrible collision and oh so CONCACAF-y that no penalty was awarded for the push that started it all.
 

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I was watching the political turmoil after the assassination and wondering if the game would be played, Covid is just the cherry on top.
 

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This bears watching for tonight. The five players who tested positive include Jems Geffrard and Melrose's Frantzdy Pierrot (both starters) and both backup goalkeepers. Haiti's starter Brian Sylvestre isn't even the "real" starter, as normal GK and captain Johnny Placide isn't in the squad.

View: https://twitter.com/ArnoldcommaJon/status/1414237421076680706
A similar situation happened at Olympic qualifying. CONCACAF forced Haiti to play with ten. I have no idea what their threshold for available players is, but it does seem the the organizers will push hard for it to be played,

View: https://twitter.com/telemundosports/status/1373003487722758154
 

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Canada went down 1-0 to Martinique early, but they're now up 3-1 just before HT.
 

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The lineup for tonight.

I wouldn't necessarily read into every single choice as being first choice from among this squad. There will be rotation through Haiti and Martinique. One definite case of rotation here is Shaq Moore starting over Reggie Cannon at RB.

Curious to see how the midfield trio functions together. Acosta is fairly versatile, so will it look more like a double pivot?

EDIT: Cannon has hamstring soreness and is being held out as a precaution.

 

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Good reminder, because if this is a first choice lineup I would be mildly bummed.

Still a few interesting things to see at least.
 

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The thing I like most about that lineup is that the graphic includes the actual kickoff time so I don’t get suckered into watching any fox pregame.
 

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I liked Moore, Lletget, and Acosta that half.

The defense has been a bit disorganized in transition moments at times. The early Arriola injury could be a problem with Berhalter's roster construction. I think Gioacchini looks uncomfortable on the wing, and Lewis has added little on the left.

Yueill has been okay, but hasn't done much to rebuild his stock. I'd really like to see Williamson in this role, who I think may show a stronger ability to either pick out a progressive pass or turn and drive the ball forward into space.

I don't mind these new jerseys.
 

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Was the angle lying to me or was Lewis just loafing offside for the entire sequence that led to the Giocchini shot?

I’d like to think he was lurking off the shoulder and not playing halfassed, but I don’t think so,
 

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I'm not sure where the fault lies, but it doesn't seem like the U.S. is doing anything to threaten Haiti up the middle. Everything is running through wide play on the wings. That was working better earlier in the game when Moore was finding space and hitting low driven balls in, but it seems like everything is stagnating now. Seems like this is an issue with some combination of the central midfield players and the wings.
 

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Damn, that would have been a hell of a debut goal for Busio
 

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It's fun to see how enthusiastic the hometown crowd is for Busio.
 

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That was wild!

Edit: I mean that last sequence in the box. Bodies flying everywhere.
 

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Have we fallen ass-backwards into a much better formation for this roster? If we only have one remaining winger and he’s shitty, why not the 3-5-2?
 

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Have we fallen ass-backwards into a much better formation for this roster? If we only have one remaining winger and he’s shitty, why not the 3-5-2?
I'm in. I'd like to have better CB depth for this than Donovan Pines, but it beats the alternative.

xG numbers were more favorable than I would have guessed.

 

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I’m loving this bonus soccer match tonight. Anything but a goalless tie would be good enough for one side to lead group A.
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The US Haiti game was the most wide open one goal game I have seen in awhile. After about 20 minutes that Experience guy shut down the USA right side and kept turning them back.

Some of those Haiti guys had motors. A couple looked like they could go another 90.
 

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Positive for me is simply that the US got the win.

Past that, a lot to digest:
1. Yueill was... not good. Not good at all.
2. Can someone explain what we see in Lletget, Vines, and Lewis? Note: I did not like the Vines selection because I saw him in the LB rotation already and wanted to see other options like Paredes. I question that take after this game despite the goal.
3. 3-5-2 is almost necessary at this point due to roster selection (no wingers for a 4-3-3), but I think that 3 ATB needs to be considered for the A team too.
4. Busio and Williamson were not perfect, but clearly were better than the other MF to me and deserve a better look.
5. Cool to see Shaq Moore play (and play pretty well). Saw him play in Reus a few years ago.

This was not a good Haiti team. They are dealing with unreal turmoil at home and the loss of 5 players to Covid yesterday. Aside from the first 10-15 minutes they were not intimidated by the US at all.
 

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Vines was pretty good on both sides of the ball in easy friendlies, so I thought it makes sense to test him here. Despite the goal, I didn't think he had a very good game either. We'll see if he bounces back. George Bello has a lot of the same issues that Vines had last night with defensive positioning. Maybe Paredes would have been the right choice, but IDK. The guy has played less than five games as LB/LWB.

There was a time a few years ago when Lewis looked like he could maybe be a game-changing supersub type, but he was a zero in Olympic qualifying and he was a zero last night. Taking him was by far Berhalter's biggest gamble in the roster. It's not like we had available wingers coming out of our ears, but Chris Mueller was a reasonable option.

Yueill needs to at least do more of one of the following: (1) be a bigger defensive presence, (2) be more proactive in breaking lines and progressing the ball forward, but neither seem likely to happen. I guess Berhalter needed one more baseline with Yueill, but it's time to put Busio or Williamson back there. I do think Yueill is lacking in confidence right now and playing below his best level, but his best level isn't worth additional investment in USMNT playing time either.

Lletget was 70/70 passing. I wish I could find a chalkboard to see the distribution of these passes on the field.

View: https://twitter.com/lhenry019/status/1414417485986770947
 

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The problem for this squad with a no-winger 3-5-2 is that it puts an awful lot of 2-way responsibility on the fullbacks.

I might try to support them by starting Zardes and Hoppe up top and have those two generally start a little deeper and wider. When in defense, these two can cut off passing angles to the wings and press so that the ball comes central. Then I’d start a midfield trio of Lleget-Busio-Roldan - two savvy veterans who can get up and support the attack but also defend with great intelligence. This puts a lot of responsibility on Busio, but he’s the most capable of playing a kind of super-6 role required here.

Also, 3 ATB means zero CB depth.
 

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The problem for this squad with a no-winger 3-5-2 is that it puts an awful lot of 2-way responsibility on the fullbacks.

I might try to support them by starting Zardes and Hoppe up top and have those two generally start a little deeper and wider. When in defense, these two can cut off passing angles to the wings and press so that the ball comes central. Then I’d start a midfield trio of Lleget-Busio-Roldan - two savvy veterans who can get up and support the attack but also defend with great intelligence. This puts a lot of responsibility on Busio, but he’s the most capable of playing a kind of super-6 role required here.

Also, 3 ATB means zero CB depth.
All true.

Picking a 4-3-3 roster that doesn't work that well because of the (predictable) winger shortcomings and immediately switching to a 3-5-2 that is more functional but is not something the roster depth is set up for suggests that Berhalter biffed part of the roster construction. Drop Lewis for a CB; Gioacchini and Hoppe are backup forwards, and Arriola can slot into a wingback position easily enough.
 

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Yes, it's a very odd roster construction that doesn't give him much leeway for tactical flexibility. I do think the team could have something if they really go into a 3ATB but they would need to commit to that with squad choice going forward. It will be interesting to see how they handle a team with better attacking flow. Even still this tournament doesn't need to be a grand slam cakewalk to the trophy to be successful, but testing players in positions where they are not set up to succeed does make it a bitter harder to evaluate their fit for qualifying. Just stay healthy.
 

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I don’t like the trend of “pick rosters with an immediate, obvious flaw which then works out precisely as it seems it would”. Hopefully it shakes out better here than it did at the Olympic qualifiers.

Happily a lot of that problem goes away with the starters being available, but it still does not fill me with confidence in how the back of the roster is filled out.
 

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I don’t like the trend of “pick rosters with an immediate, obvious flaw which then works out precisely as it seems it would”. Hopefully it shakes out better here than it did at the Olympic qualifiers.

Happily a lot of that problem goes away with the starters being available, but it still does not fill me with confidence in how the back of the roster is filled out.
We call that Ricardo Clarking.
 

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Yes, it's a very odd roster construction that doesn't give him much leeway for tactical flexibility. I do think the team could have something if they really go into a 3ATB but they would need to commit to that with squad choice going forward. It will be interesting to see how they handle a team with better attacking flow. Even still this tournament doesn't need to be a grand slam cakewalk to the trophy to be successful, but testing players in positions where they are not set up to succeed does make it a bitter harder to evaluate their fit for qualifying. Just stay healthy.
I've been thinking a 3ATB formation (3-5-2, 3-4-3, 3-4-2-1, whatever) should be seriously explored going forward as it is. We really have not looked as good in a 4-3-3 especially against better competition. Our D was seriously exposed against Switzerland and the Honduras Nations League match was not any better. Against Mexico Gregg chose to go with 3 CB (and one was even Tim frickin Ream). Besides the D looking exposed in the 4-3-3, it just seemed too congested in the midfield with Dest cutting inside and both wingers dropping back. The huge asterisk of course is that Tyler Adams did not feature much in those games. Most of the top guys for the USMNT play in 3ATB formations- Adams, McKennie, Richards, Brooks, Dest. I can't pretend to know what Genk play. Fulham alternated between 3 and 4 defenders, but Robinson played almost exclusively when they went with 3 ATB and sat when Parker decided to go with 4 defenders.

None of that really matters in the Gold Cup. The roster has been selected and it's too late to make any changes. We seem to be too thin at CB to make a 3-5-2 work and too thin at wingers (assuming Arriola has a serious injury) to make a 4-3-3 work. I'm not too optimistic about our chances once we get to the knockout stages. I'd love to be wrong though.
 

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I've been thinking a 3ATB formation (3-5-2, 3-4-3, 3-4-2-1, whatever) should be seriously explored going forward as it is. We really have not looked as good in a 4-3-3 especially against better competition. Our D was seriously exposed against Switzerland and the Honduras Nations League match was not any better. Against Mexico Gregg chose to go with 3 CB (and one was even Tim frickin Ream). Besides the D looking exposed in the 4-3-3, it just seemed too congested in the midfield with Dest cutting inside and both wingers dropping back. The huge asterisk of course is that Tyler Adams did not feature much in those games. Most of the top guys for the USMNT play in 3ATB formations- Adams, McKennie, Richards, Brooks, Dest. I can't pretend to know what Genk play. Fulham alternated between 3 and 4 defenders, but Robinson played almost exclusively when they went with 3 ATB and sat when Parker decided to go with 4 defenders.

None of that really matters in the Gold Cup. The roster has been selected and it's too late to make any changes. We seem to be too thin at CB to make a 3-5-2 work and too thin at wingers (assuming Arriola has a serious injury) to make a 4-3-3 work. I'm not too optimistic about our chances once we get to the knockout stages. I'd love to be wrong though.
I think having played a game will help. I think it's good they did not play the first game against Canada and got the three points. Let's see what happens next.
 

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Last night, Jamaica beat Suriname 2-0 and Costa Rica downed Guadeloupe 3-1.

Qatar gets the CONCACAF treatment tonight, in a weather-delayed start against Panama.
 

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Qatar 2-2 Panama, 59th minute.

All 4 goals have come in the last 8 minutes.
 

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Qatar 2-2 Panama, 59th minute.

All 4 goals have come in the last 8 minutes.
I turned it on right at halftime, so this has been tremendously entertaining. At some point Qatar went from potentially one of the worst nations to ever play at World Cup to champions of Asia, and I completely missed it.

Edit: PENALTY!
 

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Former Revs DP Jerry Bengtson strikes first for Honduras off a calamitous Grenada goalkeeping error