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osori

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At what point would Luka get frustrated with the Mavericks roster?
 

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I was really rooting for the Mavericks since the Clippers getting knocked in the 1st round seemed like a good potential customer for dumping Kemba Walker.

What a game from Kawhi.
 

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This was the single best game of Kawhi's career right? I'm trying to think of a better one.

Edit- maybe game 1 of the TOR/PHI series, only close one I can find.
 

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LOL, Dame coming straight out and asking for Kidd.

Great news. Hopefully takes him off the table for BOS
See, if this sort of thing is what you were referring to, we agree that Jayson Tatum isn't likely to follow suit.

Its hard to see Kidd in Boston given the hiring manager but if he winds up in Portland, great. That spot, even with all the Blazers issues which can be fixed with some tweaks imo, is a pretty attractive alternative to the Cs head coaching job.

I also agree with @scottyno . Lillard is essentially forcing them to hire Kidd or trade him...
 

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I have to say... building almost a decade of equity with your fanbase and organization, then cashing it in for Jason Kidd? What a wild move.
 

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yeah, i find the incessant complaining about complaining players to be lame: these guys are hyper competitive, of course they're gonna complain all the time. It's also a bit ironic to complain about others complaining. That said, Doncic is in his own tier and it does detract from enjoying his amazing game.
Fortunately, we get to root for a player who never complains ever: Jayson Tatum. /s
 

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Kawhi/Jackson/George: 126 minutes, 32-55, 90 points
Everyone else: 114 minutes, 4-22, 14 points
 

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Haynes is to Jason Kidd what Nick Cafardo, RIP, was to Bobby Valentine. Take anything he writes with a grain of salt.
 

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No doubt there are flaws in Brunson's games that I haven't picked up on, given that I don't watch Dallas all that much, but it just seems like a durable point guard who can distribute the ball, hit the open 3-pointer and play solid defense would be a perfect complement to the Jays. The C's don't necessarily need an All-Star at that position, though it obviously wouldn't hurt.
 

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I wouldn't mind having Brunson at the point in Boston.
Would kill to have Brunson on Celtics. He’s Really good. If we had him instead of Kemba and then filled the rest of Kemba money with 2 or 3 other guys we would be in business. But, alas, not happening.
 

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Haynes is to Jason Kidd what Nick Cafardo, RIP, was to Bobby Valentine. Take anything he writes with a grain of salt.
He has an on the record Dame quote. Haynes is a water carrier, but in this case we aren't worried about the prediction it's that Dame made an on the record quote that he wants Kidd.
 

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I wouldn't mind having Brunson at the point in Boston.
Pritchard is the same size, is a comparable shooter to Brunson, and is under team control for low money. Boston should try to find a tall PG to replace Kemba, via trade or the draft, and continue to develop PP.
 

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Something really slipped post-injury. He was a different player prior to that in NY. Surprising to see a guy his age not be able to get it back with time and recovery.
Multiple knee surgeries including meniscus tears almost inevitably = degenerative arthritis. He is a different player now.

All ACL tears are not created equal. Sometimes they are pretty clean without other damage, but quite often they are not.

I see 30 year olds 10 years out from an ACL tear with chronic knee pain all the time, quite often the graft is totally fine but the rest of the joint looks like they are 60 and ready for a total knee replacement.
 

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Multiple knee surgeries including meniscus tears almost inevitably = degenerative arthritis. He is a different player now.

All ACL tears are not created equal. Sometimes they are pretty clean without other damage, but quite often they are not.

I see 30 year olds 10 years out from an ACL tear with chronic knee pain all the time, quite often the graft is totally fine but the rest of the joint looks like they are 60 and ready for a total knee replacement.
You've mentioned this a couple times re ACL tears. Very interesting stuff, and crazy the degree to which it deteriorates.
 

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You've mentioned this a couple times re ACL tears. Very interesting stuff, and crazy the degree to which it deteriorates.
It's not inevitable by any means. But when you see follow up meniscus surgeries down the line and/or a player's career arc drastically change (both true for Porzingis), that's a big red flag.
 

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He has an on the record Dame quote. Haynes is a water carrier, but in this case we aren't worried about the prediction it's that Dame made an on the record quote that he wants Kidd.
Interestingly in the article posted to the Athletic Shams has a direct quote from Dame that he likes both Kidd and Chauncey. Haynes conveniently downplayed the Chauncey portion, which isn’t surprising considering the source.
 

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It's not inevitable by any means. But when you see follow up meniscus surgeries down the line and/or a player's career arc drastically change (both true for Porzingis), that's a big red flag.
Echoing love's kudos for the ACL info. Makes sense, if you imagine the injury. Sometimes the femur and tibia don't move all that much relative to each other, just enough to snap the ACL. Sometimes they do though. Robert Edwards is an extreme example. Reports that amputation was on the table, albeit briefly. Poor guy had basically everything in his knee torn.
 

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Echoing love's kudos for the ACL info. Makes sense, if you imagine the injury. Sometimes the femur and tibia don't move all that much relative to each other, just enough to snap the ACL. Sometimes they do though. Robert Edwards is an extreme example. Reports that amputation was on the table, albeit briefly. Poor guy had basically everything in his knee torn.
Yup, exactly. Edwards definitely the extreme example. Everything tore, the femur and tibia completely dislocated, and caused an injury to the major artery behind the knee. That was the reason amputation was on the table.

Like you said, the "best" outcome is a relatively minor anterior tibial shift, just enough to snap the ACL but not cause other damage (aside from the almost inevitable bone contusions that happen 99% of the time).

Quite often there is no dislocation but enough of a shift to not only snap the ACL and cause bone contusions, but also cause a meniscus tear(s) and knock off some cartilage. The progression of the arthritis is hard to predict but it's definitely common.

https://arthritis-research.biomedcentral.com/articles/10.1186/s13075-020-02156-5

As reported, 50–90% of ACL injuries progress to PTOA [6]. After ACL injury, grade III or IV radiologic changes in the Kellgren–Lawrence classification system are nearly 5 times more likely than in contralateral knees without a history of ACL injury [8].

PTOA = Post
traumatic osteoarthritis, i.e. degenerative joint disease
 

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Yup, exactly. Edwards definitely the extreme example. Everything tore, the femur and tibia completely dislocated, and caused an injury to the major artery behind the knee. That was the reason amputation was on the table.

Like you said, the "best" outcome is a relatively minor anterior tibial shift, just enough to snap the ACL but not cause other damage (aside from the almost inevitable bone contusions that happen 99% of the time).

Quite often there is no dislocation but enough of a shift to not only snap the ACL and cause bone contusions, but also cause a meniscus tear(s) and knock off some cartilage. The progression of the arthritis is hard to predict but it's definitely common.

https://arthritis-research.biomedcentral.com/articles/10.1186/s13075-020-02156-5

As reported, 50–90% of ACL injuries progress to PTOA [6]. After ACL injury, grade III or IV radiologic changes in the Kellgren–Lawrence classification system are nearly 5 times more likely than in contralateral knees without a history of ACL injury [8].

PTOA = Post
traumatic osteoarthritis, i.e. degenerative joint disease
Yeah thanks for the info. Too bad DA didn't consult you before signing Kemba. :)
 

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What does a peak Ayton look like?

It's also crazy to think what the league would look like right now if the Suns or Kings drafted Doncic or if the Hawks kept him.

It's all worked out very well for the NBA, anyway.
 

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Yup, exactly. Edwards definitely the extreme example. Everything tore, the femur and tibia completely dislocated, and caused an injury to the major artery behind the knee. That was the reason amputation was on the table.

Like you said, the "best" outcome is a relatively minor anterior tibial shift, just enough to snap the ACL but not cause other damage (aside from the almost inevitable bone contusions that happen 99% of the time).

Quite often there is no dislocation but enough of a shift to not only snap the ACL and cause bone contusions, but also cause a meniscus tear(s) and knock off some cartilage. The progression of the arthritis is hard to predict but it's definitely common.

https://arthritis-research.biomedcentral.com/articles/10.1186/s13075-020-02156-5

As reported, 50–90% of ACL injuries progress to PTOA [6]. After ACL injury, grade III or IV radiologic changes in the Kellgren–Lawrence classification system are nearly 5 times more likely than in contralateral knees without a history of ACL injury [8].

PTOA = Post
traumatic osteoarthritis, i.e. degenerative joint disease
Amazing info. Thanks so much.