A sucker punch to the back of the head like that should be at least 10 games. That's incredibly dangerous. Doubt it will actually be 10, but Artest got 7 for his elbow to Harden back in 2012 so that should be the starting point.
Moe Wagner had a clear bruise mark already showing up on his neck from the sucker punch, not to mention looked like he was going to fall over going back to the Magic bench. Hayes is going down for awhile (or at least should).A sucker punch to the back of the head like that should be at least 10 games. That's incredibly dangerous. Doubt it will actually be 10, but Artest got 7 for his elbow to Harden back in 2012 so that should be the starting point.
Murray also missed a game tying FT too right before so the whole ending was odious.Kyrie misses a shot and the Hawks grab the rebound down 1 with 5.1 seconds left...and instead of using one of their 2 timeouts, they opt to take the ball up court for a desperation 30 footer by Murray (double covered). One of the worst late game decisions I've seen in awhile.
Ha, I was watching the same thing. AbsurdKyrie misses a shot and the Hawks grab the rebound down 1 with 5.1 seconds left...and instead of using one of their 2 timeouts, they opt to take the ball up court for a desperation 30 footer by Murray (double covered). One of the worst late game decisions I've seen in awhile.
Yeah I may not have been clear - I don't blame the players. The coach has to be calling timeout, or make sure the players know they need to call timeout unless they get a long rebound and can grab it on the go (this absolutely didn't happen).In defense of the Hawks players, Nate McMillan is an idiot.
Yup. Without the reaction after the fact, Wagner's foul is probably a flagrant 1 (it was called a flagrant 2), and Hayes should be off the court for a couple of weeks.Honestly, that’s got to be a multiple game suspension for Hayes. Wagner’s play was certainly dirty but that shot to the back of the head was pure assault.
Agreed, but in his defense, Bol Bol wading into a potential fight with his toothpick legs is a great way to derail a career year for him.Bol Bol just standing there wanting nothing to do with anything. Good job teammate.
Soft generation. His dad would catch lions so the family could have dinner.Bol Bol just standing there wanting nothing to do with anything. Good job teammate.
He scored their last 14 points over the final 2:44, was crazy lol.This Wolves @ Pels game was pretty great with NO winning 119-118. Zion essentially kept NO in the game with a career high 43 and with about 11 of them in the last few minutes. He looks pretty unstoppable offensively and was the difference down the stretch.
Pels are fun as advertised.
Giannis: 45 pts 22 reb 7 ast.42 points from DeRozan in comeback OT Bulls win over Bucks.
Bucks blew an 11 point lead with just over 2 min to go…..one night after the Knicks gave up 9 in the last :4542 points from DeRozan in comeback OT Bulls win over Bucks.
Oh come on. He barely used his body to push him out of bounds. Way overreaction from Hayes thereEdit: Wagner got exactly what he deserved imo for that cheap shot endangering the defenseless Hayes going at full speed in front of the scorers table. He should have been tossed and face his own suspension.
Actually 13-12 since their 9-0 start. And Brooklyn is now in 2nd place in the East, quite the turnaround.Giannis: 45 pts 22 reb 7 ast.
On the flipside: he also bricked 22 fgs and 7 fts, and committed 5 tos.
Bucks now 13-11 after starting 9-0.
Zion was a one man show for the last three minutes of that game. Literally. There was only one possession where another Pelican even touched the ball. I don’t know much about the team but I did not expect to see Zion bringing the ball up the court on every possession in the closing minutes.View: https://twitter.com/WorldWideWob/status/1608307587396800512
hoooooly shit. Zion has a career-high 42 points, scored the Pelicans’ last 13 points, and given them the lead with this sequence. unleash hell. https://youtu.be/yAJYoCMYz-U
Hayes was in a vulnerable position running full speed toward the scorers table/bench. It didn’t take much of anything to put him in a terrible position…..and it wasn’t necessary.Oh come on. He barely used his body to push him out of bounds. Way overreaction from Hayes there
The dude was knocked out cold with a punch to the back of the head. That sort of play where guys are running full'ish speed and jostle for the ball happens all the timeI'm with HRB---what Wagner did was worse than what Hayes did risk-wise. You can really hurt someone taking them out full-speed----that's the same reason they don't allow contact when you're coming in for a lay-up.
A punch is bad, and never part of the game, but there's little force there. NBA being what it is I expect the punch will get more punishment, but on the merits--and I bet if you ask players--they'd say the Wagner one is more worrisome.
Pretty sure that's a mark from a cupping massage, and not a bruise (he's grabbing higher on the head, and it's too neatly round).Moe Wagner had a clear bruise mark already showing up on his neck from the sucker punch, not to mention looked like he was going to fall over going back to the Magic bench. Hayes is going down for awhile (or at least should).
I also agree with HRB, complete bullshit move by Wagner. It's not like he's going for the ball, he cuts in away from OOB so he can intentionally shove Hayes into the scorers table. Both need to be suspended, that sort of play needs can't be allowed.Oh come on. He barely used his body to push him out of bounds. Way overreaction from Hayes there
I thought it could be that, but seemed too coincidental with where he was hit.Pretty sure that's a mark from a cupping massage, and not a bruise (he's grabbing higher on the head, and it's too neatly round).
I just read a recap that said that if Wagner touched the ball it would have been a backcourt violation, so he did a soccer-like move of trying to shield the ball and ended up shoving Hayes off, which makes sense. It was dumb, but not necessarily dirty.I also agree with HRB, complete bullshit move by Wagner. It's not like he's going for the ball, he cuts in away from OOB so he can intentionally shove Hayes into the scorers table. Both need to be suspended, that sort of play needs can't be allowed.
Hayes deserves whatever suspension is coming to him here. No doubt about that. You simply cannot punch a guy in the back of the head.The Wagner part looks MUCH worse slo-mo than full-speed. in slo-mo you can see Wagner line him up, and that's the problem. Full-speed, it looks like your description---but not slowed down.
Both are very bad. The risk from checking someone into the stands is simply higher, though.
No. “Hayes tried to sell it” might be even dumber than “that happens all the time in the NBA”.I am seeing a barely a shove thing from Wagner. Looks like Hayes tried to sell it to make sure he gets the foul call
View: https://twitter.com/NBA_NewYork/status/1608277540044406784?s=20&t=Fd3877KieRC0qDE-M8SBVQ
Asinine that Wagner got only one more game than his teammates (eight of whom got a game for leaving the bench).Three games for Hayes, two for Wagner.
Certainly the league was not at all confused about Wagner’s intent
Word. Wagner has 50 pounds on Hayes. 50. Hayes is not selling anything there. It's a dirty play and, as dotb noted, completely unnecessary. That's Wagner though.No. “Hayes tried to sell it” might be even dumber than “that happens all the time in the NBA”.
Romeo highlights below. Looking at NYK size, Romeo must have felt he was back in the B10 again. Nice to see him a jump shot from the left baseline.Two former C's with good games last night. Langford 11/16 for the Spurs for 23 points, and Langford 7/10 for the Pacers for 22. Indiana also shot 61% from three that game, mostly because of Haliburton and Hield. I guess if you're the Cavs, all you can do is tip your hat.
Poor Aaron. Has the game of his life and still being disrespected around here.Two former C's with good games last night. Langford 11/16 for the Spurs for 23 points, and Langford 7/10 for the Pacers for 22.
Not to mention, why would Hayes be upset at Wagner in this situation? If one thinks Hayes was just trying to sell it to get the foul, you'd then have to believe that what, Hayes was only pretending to get irate and that the punch to the back of the head was just really commitment to the bit?Word. Wagner has 50 pounds on Hayes. 50. Hayes is not selling anything there. It's a dirty play and, as dotb noted, completely unnecessary. That's Wagner though.
Watching Romeo's highlights from last night and seeing Fournier give the ball away under the basket for a Langford layup got me interested in seeing how Evan has been doing. He is having a poor start to the season with career lows in the 2P% and 3P%. He is also getting less than 20 minutes per game. He has only played in 14 games this season so I guess he has been injured. It's still early in the season and there is plenty of time for him to turn things around but I wonder if he is falling out of favor with Thibodeau.Romeo highlights below. Looking at NYK size, Romeo must have felt he was back in the B10 again. Nice to see him a jump shot from the left baseline.
View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tElR9SMKQlk
Per one of the NY tabloids, Fournier fell out of Thibs rotation over the past few weeks (when they won eight in a row).Watching Romeo's highlights from last night and seeing Fournier give the ball away under the basket for a Langford layup got me interested in seeing how Evan has been doing. He is having a poor start to the season with career lows in the 2P% and 3P%. He is also getting less than 20 minutes per game. He has only played in 14 games this season so I guess he has been injured. It's still early in the season and there is plenty of time for him to turn things around but I wonder if he is falling out of favor with Thibodeau.
It wasn't that long ago that Fournier, Langford and Nesmith got big minutes in a playoff series with the Celtics. I wish them all well but don't really miss seeing them in green.
Agreed. I definitely find myself cheering for Nesmith and Romeo, with no hard feelings whatsoever.It wasn't that long ago that Fournier, Langford and Nesmith got big minutes in a playoff series with the Celtics. I wish them all well but don't really miss seeing them in green.
Got it. For roughly the same salary I prefer White over Fournier.Per one of the NY tabloids, Fournier fell out of Thibs rotation over the past few weeks (when they won eight in a row).
Fournier stopped playing on November 15 and racked up DNPs until last night.Got it. For roughly the same salary I prefer White over Fournier.
Agreed very much on both. A player like Fournier can still be an effective bench player (against backups who can't fully take advantage of his defensive shortcomings), but at his price it's not worth it.Fournier stopped playing on November 15 and racked up DNPs until last night.
The problem with Fournier is if he's your best scorer, your likely isn't going to go far (unless you're playing international ball; LOL!) but if he's not your best scorer, hes going to give up more on the defensive end that he will score on the offensive end.
If I were running a NBA franchise, I'd fill my roster with every wing (player) who can defend multiple positions and hope they can figure out how to shoot. Those guys are insanely valuable when paired with superstars.
Romeo got White, who is actually 90% of what we hoped Romeo would be so that's enough icing on the cake for me.it's too bad Romeo wasn't a hit. His defensive potential really is something, and his success would've been the icing on the cake of the Tatum/Fultz trade.
Unless Romeo is a complete dog (in the basketball sense, not in the MMA sense) I don’t see how he doesn’t have a 12-15 career in this league. His physicals and skillset ooozes of finding his niche as a role player.Romeo got White, who is actually 90% of what we hoped Romeo would be so that's enough icing on the cake for me.
Romeo is still only 23 and is incredibly physically gifted (though maybe not in the Jalen Green sense). Don't want to re-hash the Romeo debate but he still has a chance to figure things out. I also wish he'd see a shooting coach too.
Agree with wholeheartedly(I've said in the past that I think RL will have a long NBA career) but he might have to spend a couple of years in Europe. I wonder if SAS will give him a qualifying offer. Biggest issue is that he keeps getting hurt/sick. He's only played 20 out of 35 games this year so I'm wondering what kind of market there will be u ntil he demonstates he can be on the court consistently.Unless Romeo is a complete dog (in the basketball sense, not in the MMA sense) I don’t see how he doesn’t have a 12-15 career in this league. His physicals and skillset ooozes of finding his niche as a role player.