2022-23 NBA Game Thread

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Was shaking my head and trying to parse the Phoenix Suns box score this morning. Suns had four more assists, six more rebounds, shot 61% from three (while Minnesota made a pedestrian 36%) ... and the Suns lost by five. Suns have been on a real slide since the Celtics administered that beatdown a month ago. Is Chris Paul really the straw that stirs the drink? If so, that's going to be a real problem if he can't stay healthy.

Edit: to add that it looks like the injury bug has bitten them hard, with Booker, Johnson and Shamet among those not playing, so not much you can do there I suppose.
 

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Jalen Brunson has been incredible since coming back from a small injury a couple of weeks ago. He has more 30 point games in the last 10 days (4) than he had his whole Dallas career (3), NY are 14-6 in their last 20.
 

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Was shaking my head and trying to parse the Phoenix Suns box score this morning. Suns had four more assists, six more rebounds, shot 61% from three (while Minnesota made a pedestrian 36%) ... and the Suns lost by five. Suns have been on a real slide since the Celtics administered that beatdown a month ago. Is Chris Paul really the straw that stirs the drink? If so, that's going to be a real problem if he can't stay healthy.

Edit: to add that it looks like the injury bug has bitten them hard, with Booker, Johnson and Shamet among those not playing, so not much you can do there I suppose.
The final score wasn’t indicative of this game at all as Minnesota held a 10-20 point need nearly the entire game. Damian Lee had a 4Q scoring barrage including 4 or 5 three’s including one at the buzzer. I’d say yes and no to your Chris Paul question. While he still manages the game as well as any PG the Suns real issue is that not only were they without him AND Booker but also without Payne who can capably run a team. Ayton is also not 100% with his ankle which showed. Their halfcourt offense was a disaster in the (brief) parts of the game I saw with the primary difference being show selection/half court flow without any orchestrators and turnovers due to these issues which led to Wolve runouts.
 

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Jalen Brunson has been incredible since coming back from a small injury a couple of weeks ago. He has more 30 point games in the last 10 days (4) than he had his whole Dallas career (3), NY are 14-6 in their last 20.
Brunson has been the PG that the Knicks have needed for the past couple decades. He’s been a phenomenal signing for them.
 

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Brunson has been the PG that the Knicks have needed for the past couple decades. He’s been a phenomenal signing for them.
It helps that he's mentally tough enough to withstand the scrutiny that comes with playing for the Knicks. It doesn't look like much rattles him.
 

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It helps that he's mentally tough enough to withstand the scrutiny that comes with playing for the Knicks. It doesn't look like much rattles him.
That seems to be the case with many of these kids who grew up around the NBA. Brunson, Austin Rivers, Klay Thompson, The Curry’s, Jeremi Grant, Hardaway, Payton, Cole Anthony……all these guys have a huge advantage in adapting to the NBA game and lifestyle as they grew up in it. They are already in their comfort zone. Nothing is going to faze them and they all learned first hand the work ethic and professionalism necessary to succeed.
 

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I don't see anything too egregious in that 2 minute report. I think I would only consider 2 of those calls incorrect.

A lot of these you want the refs to swallow their whistle and let the dudes play. I would rather they allow too much contact rather than a tight whistle.
 

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Was shaking my head and trying to parse the Phoenix Suns box score this morning. Suns had four more assists, six more rebounds, shot 61% from three (while Minnesota made a pedestrian 36%) ... and the Suns lost by five. Suns have been on a real slide since the Celtics administered that beatdown a month ago. Is Chris Paul really the straw that stirs the drink? If so, that's going to be a real problem if he can't stay healthy.

Edit: to add that it looks like the injury bug has bitten them hard, with Booker, Johnson and Shamet among those not playing, so not much you can do there I suppose.
It's not Paul, it's Booker. The Suns are 11-15 when Paul plays, compared with 18-11 when Booker plays. The latter is reasonably durable and as noted they've had other injuries, but speaking of Brunson's mental toughness, the Suns are just the opposite. It's amazing the crash they've suffered since that brutal game 7 beating last year:

https://www.theringer.com/nba/2022/10/5/23387867/nba-2022-western-conference-defining-number

But the roster that went 64-18 last season is still mostly intact, with the top four players—Ayton, Mikal Bridges, Devin Booker, and Chris Paul—all in place, plus sharpshooter Cam Johnson ready to take Crowder’s place in the starting lineup. History is in the Suns’ favor, after they became the 32nd team in NBA history to lose fewer than 20 games in an 82-game schedule—because those 31 previous teams won, on average, 59.3 games in the next season.

In fact, not a single one of those teams that went 63-19 or better declined even to mediocrity the following year, as the worst of the bunch still won 51 games the following season. So if the Suns win 50 or fewer games this season, that will represent an unprecedented collapse—and even 50-32 is good enough to compete for a top-four seed.
That's a remarkable stat, highlighting both how good they were last year and how bad they've been this year. It will take a 2022 Celtics type run for them to get to 50 wins at this point, and nobody thinks they have that in them.
 

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Don't look now but the Heat, who stomped the Bucks today in Miami, have won 7 of their past 10 games. At this rate, Miami will be the No. 5 seed in the East in another week or two.
 

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Don't look now but the Heat, who stomped the Bucks today in Miami, have won 7 of their past 10 games. At this rate, Miami will be the No. 5 seed in the East in another week or two.
I'm not overly impressed with a win over the Bucks when Giannis (and Middleton) aren't playing. In their recent stretch, they really haven't had any truly impressive wins - their biggest wins have been against a sinking Suns team (without Booker), the Clippers (without Kawhi), the Lakers (without AD), the Wolves (without Towns) and now the Bucks without Giannis. They've also lost to the Lakers (with no Lebron or AD) and the Nets (with Durant missing the end of game to injury). When healthy they really should be in the middle of the pack in the playoff standings, but as is being made abundantly clear this season, being healthy is really hard.
 

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Brunson has been the PG that the Knicks have needed for the past couple decades. He’s been a phenomenal signing for them.
Yep. In the same breath, Brunson is the player Dallas had to keep. It wasn't hard to see where he was going the last 2 seasons (ex-decorated college career). He trended up each and every season in Dallas
 

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I'm not overly impressed with a win over the Bucks when Giannis (and Middleton) aren't playing. In their recent stretch, they really haven't had any truly impressive wins - their biggest wins have been against a sinking Suns team (without Booker), the Clippers (without Kawhi), the Lakers (without AD), the Wolves (without Towns) and now the Bucks without Giannis. They've also lost to the Lakers (with no Lebron or AD) and the Nets (with Durant missing the end of game to injury). When healthy they really should be in the middle of the pack in the playoff standings, but as is being made abundantly clear this season, being healthy is really hard.
Maybe so, but dismiss the Heat at your own peril, especially if they're able to strengthen their roster before the trade deadline.
 

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Maybe so, but dismiss the Heat at your own peril, especially if they're able to strengthen their roster before the trade deadline.
I'm not dismissing anyone we might see in the playoffs, but they're 7th in the east right now. I'd be more worried to face the Nets, Bucks, Sixers and Cavs in the playoffs than the Heat (assuming everyone is healthy). I guess they worry me more than the Knicks, who are a half game ahead of them for 6th. That's about it. Nothing in their recent performance indicates they are about to play like last year when they got the 1 seed and made it to game 7 of the conference finals.
 

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Denver wins with step back Jokic 3 with 0.2 seconds on clock, after Jamal Murray nearly blows prior offensive possesion and stupid foul on final Orlando possesion (but Fultz misses one to only tie it up). So Orlando maybe for real, and Denver may also be for real (but Jamal needs to not be a hero)
 

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Jokic has a good chance of winning 3 straight MVPs without winning 1 game in the 2nd round of the playoffs.
If the Nuggets lose in the 1st round again (or if they get swept out of the 2nd), the critics will get LOUD for Jokic. If they stay healthy, anything short of a trip to the finals will be a disappointment for Denver.
 

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If the Nuggets lose in the 1st round again (or if they get swept out of the 2nd), the critics will get LOUD for Jokic. If they stay healthy, anything short of a trip to the finals will be a disappointment for Denver.
With Aaron Gordon and Bruce Brown, they got some competitors (aka players who want to win games). So they should have enough to get to the finals (barring injuries)
 

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Jokic has a good chance of winning 3 straight MVPs without winning 1 game in the 2nd round of the playoffs.
Ummm what?? They took Portland to 7 in 2019 and in 2020 they went to west finals. I know it’s the bubble, but I count it. Unless you mean years he won mvp, which okay, but last season their second best player was Jeff green. 2021 no Jamal for playoffs. Can’t blame him for any of it.
 

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LeBron and Russ putting on a show vs Sixers on NBATV right now……they both may end up w triple doubles. 1-pt game early 4Q. Incredible game and crazy that Bron is doing this at his age.
 

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WTF???? What’s not reckless about landing beneath LeBrons foot? That’s why they have the freakin rule!!
 

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C’mon refs gimme the makeup call here on the review! It would be just as bad as the Embiid non-flagrant.

Edit: And YES! Lol. Omg the challenge was 100% successful we all saw the foul it was about if he was in the shooting motion. Good lord I can’t have remotes in my hand with the volume on.
 

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People hate him, people can say what they want, and I’m not saying he should make the team…..but Russ has been playing at an All-Star level since getting comfortable coming off the bench.
 

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Absolute perfection there on the ending. Embiid bricks a contested 18-footer, Lakers rebound with 14 on the clock. No timeout. Westbrook goes full hero, doesn't even look at his teammates, tries to throw up a lob and it's intercepted, ballgame for PHI by 1.

It takes a lot to make me enjoy the 76ers winning a game, but man did that scratch the itch.
 

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Got to blame the coach (for not calling a timeout),.. for trusting Russel to NOT BE A HERO.
I liked the No TO call when you’ve got the iso w Embiid but once he lost his dribble Ham has to be next to the ref screaming for it.
 

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I'm not sure why a timeout wasn't called to give LeBron the ball. Coaching malpractice.

Harden at 22/6/11 on 61% true-shooting, taking only 6 trips to the line per game. The evolution continues.
 

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I'm not sure why a timeout wasn't called to give LeBron the ball. Coaching malpractice.

Harden at 22/6/11 on 61% true-shooting, taking only 6 trips to the line per game. The evolution continues.
Its fascinating to see. He really has adapted his game.
 

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Ummm what?? They took Portland to 7 in 2019 and in 2020 they went to west finals. I know it’s the bubble, but I count it. Unless you mean years he won mvp, which okay, but last season their second best player was Jeff green. 2021 no Jamal for playoffs. Can’t blame him for any of it.
Yes, I'm talking about the playoffs during the MVP years.

These are the guys who have won 3 or more MVPs: Kareem, Russell, MJ, Lebron, Wilt, Moses, Bird, and Magic. All of those guys could drag a mediocre team to.a second round win at their MVP peak.
 

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Yes, I'm talking about the playoffs during the MVP years.

These are the guys who have won 3 or more MVPs: Kareem, Russell, MJ, Lebron, Wilt, Moses, Bird, and Magic. All of those guys could drag a mediocre team to.a second round win at their MVP peak.
Just an FYI - Moses Malone lost twice in the first round during 2 of his MVP seasons
 

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OKC on a nice little roll, 6-2 in their last 8 with wins over the C's, Philly and Brooklyn. Mid pack now of the West play in contenders.
As an OKC fan, I'm getting a little tired of the "I can't believe our team lost to OKC!" from opponents' fans. The Thunder don't have a lot of well-known players, but they play hard and have generally been competitive all year.
 

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As an OKC fan, I'm getting a little tired of the "I can't believe our team lost to OKC!" from opponents' fans. The Thunder don't have a lot of well-known players, but they play hard and have generally been competitive all year.
Yeah those are casual fans who have no idea that OKC is 10-5 since mid-December. Teams are having trouble with that big big big SGA/Giddey backcourt. They are also so deep and Jalen Williams should get some 1st Team All-Rookie votes (although the top-5 seem pretty clear to me). Real fun team and one very undervalued for the betting thread. :)
 

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Yeah those are casual fans who have no idea that OKC is 10-5 since mid-December. Teams are having trouble with that big big big SGA/Giddey backcourt. They are also so deep and Jalen Williams should get some 1st Team All-Rookie votes (although the top-5 seem pretty clear to me). Real fun team and one very undervalued for the betting thread. :)
6-4 since Poku got hurt. Per 100 possessions, OKC's net rating is 20.5 points better when he's off the court, which has to be one of the worst on/off ratings ever (at least by a player with real minutes who isn't a rookie).
 

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People hate him, people can say what they want, and I’m not saying he should make the team…..but Russ has been playing at an All-Star level since getting comfortable coming off the bench.
Westbrook went full Westbrook. Hilarious.
Both of these things are true. He really has been genuinely good off the bench and, yet, he still goes full (bad) Westbrook at key moments. It's the yin/yang of a true star: RW has the ego to keep pushing despite being the center of so much criticism and have to admire that. And, yet, he also has the ego to take ridiculous low quality shots at key points of games that counteract his effectiveness.

Russ gonna Russ.