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I’m a little surprised front office guys can be hired during their team’s season. Not that they have a major impact on the team’s game day performance.

I wonder if this makes Daboll to the NYG more (or less) likely? Does not appear to have overlapped with Flores in Miami.
I've got to think Daboll goes someplace with a good young QB--that's where he'd be more valuable. If I'm Daboll I might even wait a year rather than take a job where there isn't a good QB,
 

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We now have the definitive answer to the question posed in the "Anywhere but There" thread.
Yup... This seems almost like an onion article

Once longtime NFL quarterback Josh McCown enters the coaching profession as an offensive assistant or assistant position coach and works his way up to being a head coach, he might turn out to be Vince Lombardi, Bill Belichick or Don Shula.

I’ve heard nothing but glowing reports about McCown’s potential as a coach from those who worked with or covered him during his career with 12 organizations. He’s an impressive communicator and commands respect, but McCown needs seasoning, not a straight-to-the-top free ticket provided by Jack Easterby and Nick Caserio.
Late in the 2020 season, when McCown was on the Texans roster from Nov. 7 through March 1, several members of the organization, including two players, told me how close he and Easterby had become. They were BFFs.
They told me Easterby and McCown had bonded over religion and to not be surprised if Easterby tried to convince the new general manager and the McNair family to hire McCown as the new head coach.
I ridiculed that idea. No way, too outrageous, even for the Texans. But I was warned to just wait and see. Lo and behold, McCown got the interview. Man, was I wrong!

After Caserio was hired, Easterby convinced him to interview McCown for the head-coaching vacancy (that eventually went to David Culley). I was told they offered him a job coaching but that he was going to retire to watch his kids play football.

McCown had volunteered for several years at a North Carolina high school before returning to Texas, where he grew up in Jacksonville and played at SMU and Sam Houston State.
https://www.houstonchronicle.com/texas-sports-nation/john-mcclain/article/McClain-Why-the-Texans-are-considering-Josh-16794270.php
 
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I've got to think Daboll goes someplace with a good young QB--that's where he'd be more valuable. If I'm Daboll I might even wait a year rather than take a job where there isn't a good QB,
I actually agree. That’s why I’ve thought Chicago or Jax (but for Baalke) made the most sense. But the NYG should have the opportunity to pick up one of the best QBs in the draft. Willis is probably the closest analogue to Allen.
 

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RE: the Texans, I remember somebody talking about how not every team is actually genuinely trying to win the Super Bowl. I assume that the Texans are one of those teams with other, perhaps in their minds higher, aspirations.
 

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If I were Payton, I'd get out. That roster is going to be a mess. They are 75m over the cap, the highest in the league. The Saints are going to have to basically have to restructure everyone, which means they won't have much space next year either and they will have trouble getting out of the bad contracts.
 

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Leftwich has had 2 good years as Brady's OC but the rest of his resume leaves something to be desired. I'm not sure I'd want to hand over Trevor Lawrence's development to him. His non-Brady years on offensive staffs haven't been good and he hasn't really worked with a young QB. He had Carson Palmer and Josh Rosen (young but probably stinks) in Arizona and Jameis Winston (young but his 5th NFL season) and Brady in Tampa.

I'm not sure who is on their interviewe list, but Bienemy and McDaniels would be more appealing candidates than Leftwich. Of course, both those guys could say no thanks to even an interview and Leftwich is obviously connected to the organization.
 

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If Josh leaves, I’ve been assuming that BoB would be a candidate to come back and run the offense. Already knows the culture, just spent a year with Saban and has a relationship with Mac. Seems like a good fit but haven’t heard or read much about BoB as a possibility.
Reiss said the same in his latest article, but said it wasn't clear if BOB wanted to leave Alabama.
 

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My crazy predictions:
  • Leftwich to Jax
  • Daboll to Miami (my guess is that teams will see that former assistant can do well against their former teams -- and that the coaches will see that as well)
  • Flores to Houston (with Mayo as DC)
None of those are crazy. I agree with #'s 1 and 3.
 

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Back to ranking the open spots I think New Orleans has to be #10. Terrible cap situation, aging roster, no QB and that terrible Hill contract.
 

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Back to ranking the open spots I think New Orleans has to be #10. Terrible cap situation, aging roster, no QB and that terrible Hill contract.
It's definitely in the conversation. The only thing I'd argue is their GM and ownership have pretty good track records of success, and if they're patient that's better than some of the places with slightly better rosters but that are broken organizationally.
 

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Back to ranking the open spots I think New Orleans has to be #10. Terrible cap situation, aging roster, no QB and that terrible Hill contract.
The mind boggles that they gave Winston only 1 year while giving Hill all those years/dollars. He's by far the best of the four. Will be interesting to see if/when he's healthy and where he ends up and if he follows Payton in 2023, even if as a backup at least at first. I don't think the retirement is permanent. maybe McCarthy gets one more year to hang himself and he takes over in 2023.
 

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Back to ranking the open spots I think New Orleans has to be #10. Terrible cap situation, aging roster, no QB and that terrible Hill contract.
With such a bleak future, the easiest course of action would be to skip the search altogether. Promote either the DC or OC from within. Give him a short money (3 year) deal and let the GM blow the thing up. Lose a lot of games for 2 years, pick up as many 2023-24 draft picks as he can along the way while getting the cap under control. Put Bortles at QB and Hill back at WR which saves $55 million on Hill's contract.
 

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With such a bleak future, the easiest course of action would be to skip the search altogether. Promote either the DC or OC from within. Give him a short money (3 year) deal and let the GM blow the thing up. Lose a lot of games for 2 years, pick up as many 2023-24 draft picks as he can along the way while getting the cap under control. Put Bortles at QB and Hill back at WR which saves $55 million on Hill's contract.
Dennis Allen is top choice from what I’ve heard.
 

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With such a bleak future, the easiest course of action would be to skip the search altogether. Promote either the DC or OC from within. Give him a short money (3 year) deal and let the GM blow the thing up. Lose a lot of games for 2 years, pick up as many 2023-24 draft picks as he can along the way while getting the cap under control. Put Bortles at QB and Hill back at WR which saves $55 million on Hill's contract.
And draft Bryce Young #1 in 2023
 

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If you have a bleak situation... why would you punt?
Why wouldn't you go get a coach you believe in and involve him in your hard re-set. He gets to make rookie mistakes with no harm, he gets to put a system in place and help you bring in the right players.
 

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If you have a bleak situation... why would you punt?
Why wouldn't you go get a coach you believe in and involve him in your hard re-set. He gets to make rookie mistakes with no harm, he gets to put a system in place and help you bring in the right players.
The sad thing is, the Saints can't even hard reset. They're so far over the cap, and the best way to clear space is not to get rid of players but to restructure, again pushing the cap hits into the future and keeping the messy cap for future seasons. They have only one player on the roster they save more than $5 MM cutting per OTC.
 

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The sad thing is, the Saints can't even hard reset. They're so far over the cap, and the best way to clear space is not to get rid of players but to restructure, again pushing the cap hits into the future and keeping the messy cap for future seasons. They have only one player on the roster they save more than $5 MM cutting per OTC.
How often can they do that though? At some point, the bill comes due, no?
 

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Continuing to restructure is the dumbest thing they can do. They need to just either keep these players on the existing contracts or dump them and bite the bullet now and just suck into a top 5 pick.
 

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How often can they do that though? At some point, the bill comes due, no?
They can do it as long as the structure of the individual contracts lets them do it, and they have to do it as long as they're over the cap and the cap situation of the individual contracts dictates they clear more cap space by restructuring than cutting / trading.

There is no one bill that comes due at one time; there is a series of smaller bills that come due at different times. The Saints are paying the bills for decisions they made earlier, and they are forced to put off paying other bills that they will have to pay later. They had $47 MM in dead money on the cap this year. They still have $11.5 MM dead cap to realize for Brees on this coming year's cap. They have another $17 MM scheduled to hit the cap on contracts that will void soon.

Continuing to restructure is the dumbest thing they can do. They need to just either keep these players on the existing contracts or dump them and bite the bullet now and just suck into a top 5 pick.
They literally cannot. They are $75 MM over the cap. They cannot get under it without restructuring. Go on OTC, go through their contracts, on almost every single one they will get the 2022 cap hit lower by restructuring than they can by cutting.
 

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They can do it as long as the structure of the individual contracts lets them do it, and they have to do it as long as they're over the cap and the cap situation of the individual contracts dictates they clear more cap space by restructuring than cutting / trading.

There is no one bill that comes due at one time; there is a series of smaller bills that come due at different times. The Saints are paying the bills for decisions they made earlier, and they are forced to put off paying other bills that they will have to pay later. They had $47 MM in dead money on the cap this year. They still have $11.5 MM dead cap to realize for Brees on this coming year's cap. They have another $17 MM scheduled to hit the cap on contracts that will void soon.


They literally cannot. They are $75 MM over the cap. They cannot get under it without restructuring. Go on OTC, go through their contracts, on almost every single one they will get the 2022 cap hit lower by restructuring than they can by cutting.

Excuse my ignorance, how do trades work for guys under contract. Can they restructure and trade? I assume if they trade any bonus isn't paid by the new team.
 

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The sad thing is, the Saints can't even hard reset. They're so far over the cap, and the best way to clear space is not to get rid of players but to restructure, again pushing the cap hits into the future and keeping the messy cap for future seasons. They have only one player on the roster they save more than $5 MM cutting per OTC.
I think it's a 2 year reset, but they can cut a lot of salary by trading good players for very cheap.
A Lattimore trade saves $14M, $8.5M for Davenport, Roby might be harder to move, but saves 9.5M.
Then they'll have to make some post June 1 cuts.
And yeah some extensions, but at least they can limit it to some of their better players.
 

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They can do it as long as the structure of the individual contracts lets them do it, and they have to do it as long as they're over the cap and the cap situation of the individual contracts dictates they clear more cap space by restructuring than cutting / trading.

There is no one bill that comes due at one time; there is a series of smaller bills that come due at different times. The Saints are paying the bills for decisions they made earlier, and they are forced to put off paying other bills that they will have to pay later. They had $47 MM in dead money on the cap this year. They still have $11.5 MM dead cap to realize for Brees on this coming year's cap. They have another $17 MM scheduled to hit the cap on contracts that will void soon.


They literally cannot. They are $75 MM over the cap. They cannot get under it without restructuring. Go on OTC, go through their contracts, on almost every single one they will get the 2022 cap hit lower by restructuring than they can by cutting.
If I am reading OTC correctly, the secret for them getting out of cap hell will be trades, not cuts. But I easily could be misreading that site.
 

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If I am reading OTC correctly, the secret for them getting out of cap hell will be trades, not cuts. But I easily could be misreading that site.
You are reading it correctly, I think.

Unlike a release, a trade allows the Saints to avoid acceleration of guaranteed money left on the player’s contract because the remainder of the contract is being assumed by the team trading for a player. Only bonuses already paid to the player and not yet accounted for against the cap - most commonly the prorated portions of the signing bonus that are allocated evenly to any remaining years on the contract - will count as dead money by the trading team. In this scenario, the other team would assume the contract and, thus, any remaining unpaid money, including any base salary (guaranteed salary included) and roster bonuses/incentives.

So, yes, if they really want to swallow a cap pill this year, they’ll need to part with some premium players with a lot of unearned guaranteed money left on their contracts. With the cap likely rising materially each year for the foreseeable future, they could try to realize some savings by kicking money out to 23 with void years and salary/bonus conversions rather than trading a cornerstone player like Lattimore or Ramczyk.

Who knows, it’s a big bowl of shit either way.
 

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You are reading it correctly, I think.

Unlike a release, a trade allows the Saints to avoid acceleration of guaranteed money left on the player’s contract because the remainder of the contract is being assumed by the team trading for a player. Only bonuses already paid to the player and not yet accounted for against the cap - most commonly the prorated portions of the signing bonus that are allocated evenly to any remaining years on the contract - will count as dead money by the trading team. In this scenario, the other team would assume the contract and, thus, any remaining unpaid money, including any base salary (guaranteed salary included) and roster bonuses/incentives.

So, yes, if they really want to swallow a cap pill this year, they’ll need to part with some premium players with a lot of unearned guaranteed money left on their contracts. With the cap likely rising materially each year for the foreseeable future, they could try to realize some savings by kicking money out to 23 with void years and salary/bonus conversions rather than trading a cornerstone player like Lattimore or Ramczyk.

Who knows, it’s a big bowl of shit either way.
It’s crazy they have 4 players who make up about 50% of the cap number ($100m) and not one of them is a QB.
 

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Nothing from the National writers because it isn't official yet, but all the local Jaguars people are reporting that Leftwich will be announced likely today.
 

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I don't see how Jacksonville can go with Trent Baalke as GM. They either need to hire a HC they're willing to give personnel authority to (probably not a relatively inexperienced guy like Leftwich or Eberflus) or hire a real GM and let him pick the HC. Baalke is toxic.
 

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I don't see how Jacksonville can go with Trent Baalke as GM. They either need to hire a HC they're willing to give personnel authority to (probably not a relatively inexperienced guy like Leftwich or Eberflus) or hire a real GM and let him pick the HC. Baalke is toxic.
Counterpoint. Every year in SF Peter King would have a lot of detailed inside the warroom stories the day after the draft about how Baalke had bamboozled the other teams and had the bestest draft every

example (story discussed in link)
https://www.49erswebzone.com/forum/niners/165494-trent-baalke-weekend-per-peter-king/