2022 Final Four game thread

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Nova, Duke, UNC, and Geno all losing in a span of 2 days.

What a great few days it was.
 

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Was rooting for UNC but glad the Kansas out of bounds play didn't become another Freddie Brown situation.

At least Geno lost.
 

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Caleb Love is going to have a complicated legacy at UNC. Yikes. He sucked out loud tonight.
I mean, he was a huge factor in beating Duke in the most important game of the rivalry(TM), and this egg-laying came in the TITLE game. No shame or complications with that IMO. But I'm not a Heels fan...
 

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I mean, he was a huge factor in beating Duke in the most important game of the rivalry(TM), and this egg-laying came in the TITLE game. No shame or complications with that IMO. But I'm not a Heels fan...
He was also huge in the game before that.. He had a huge tourney and year... just missed everything tonite.
 

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Kansas has finally tied UCONN in national championships. Good for them.
 

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This is an understatement.. need at least one or two subs.. no idea how they made it this far basically playing a starting 5.

Also.. that non call on the clear traveling (when the Kansas player shot and caught his own shot with it not hitting anything) and the non goaltending maybe made a bit of a difference? 4 points that Kansas should never have had.
Catching your own missed shot - even if it’s an air ball - is not a travel. You can’t proceed to dribble or anything but you can catch your own miss as long as the refs deem it an actual shot.
 

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Transfer portal was quietly a huge factor. Remy Martin was a three year player at a major program where he was pretty clearly the man, but becomes the missing piece and wins a championship. It really is a new world and that Is what you need.
 

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Catching your own missed shot - even if it’s an air ball - is not a travel. You can’t proceed to dribble or anything but you can catch your own miss as long as the refs deem it an actual shot.
This is true? Even without it hitting the ground? I didn't know that.
 

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I mean, he was a huge factor in beating Duke in the most important game of the rivalry(TM), and this egg-laying came in the TITLE game. No shame or complications with that IMO. But I'm not a Heels fan...
When does the “Beat Coach K” banner go up? This is UNC and he was a big reason for getting them to this point but also a big reason for not completing the job. And not finishing the job takes away a lot of the gloating of ending K. People always remember the poor shooting title games.
 

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No one on UNC with more than 2 AST when you have 2 combo guards sucks. Need to pass better.
 

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Transfer portal was quietly a huge factor. Remy Martin was a three year player at a major program where he was pretty clearly the man, but becomes the missing piece and wins a championship. It really is a new world and that Is what you need.
Manek too. UNC would have been nothing without him - but got the extra Covid year and went from OK to UNC
 

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When does the “Beat Coach K” banner go up? This is UNC and he was a big reason for getting them to this point but also a big reason for not completing the job. And not finishing the job takes away a lot of the gloating of ending K. People always remember the poor shooting title games.
Been a lot of beating coach K in the final four games have there?

edit: or his final game really? or in March Madness?
 

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What happened in the NBA the last time Kansas won it all?
Be careful, because I would hope for what you are alluding to but also a former Kansas star helped lead his team to the NBA championship in 2008. Joel Embiid says hi this year.
 

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Been a lot of beating coach K in the final four games have there?

edit: or his final game really? or in March Madness?
Nice rivalry win, for sure, but I’m guessing most UNC fans would rather have a title that didn’t involve ending Coach K vs. a Final 4 win ending K that ended up in a painful title loss. Just so hard to win this thing.
 

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Transfer portal was quietly a huge factor. Remy Martin was a three year player at a major program where he was pretty clearly the man, but becomes the missing piece and wins a championship. It really is a new world and that Is what you need.
Yup. UNC doesn't even have a top 30 recruit next year AFAICT and not a top-10 overall class.

At least RJ I think i staying but the other 4 should be all gone.
 

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Nice rivalry win, for sure, but I’m guessing most UNC fans would rather have a title that didn’t involve ending Coach K vs. a Final 4 win ending K that ended up in a painful title loss. Just so hard to win this thing.
As a UNC fan.. I never expected them to get this far.. part that sucks the most for me is that they were up 15 at half. That's when I expected to win.. coach K getting beat the only time they ever played in March? And it was his last game as a head coach? The tradeoff the other way is worth it (in a way)... not like Carolina hasn't won in a while. Sucks the way they lost, but the run was really unexpected.

Edit: I'm also almost 50.. it hurt more watching them lose to Villanova... I think they should have won both TBH... but I also pseudo remember the pass to Worthy as an early memory.
 

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As a UNC fan.. I never expected them to get this far.. part that sucks the most for me is that they were up 15 at half. That's when I expected to win.. coach K getting beat the only time they ever played in March? And it was his last game as a head coach? The tradeoff the other way is worth it (in a way)... not like Carolina hasn't won in a while. Sucks the way they lost, but the run was really unexpected.

Edit: I'm also almost 50.. it hurt more watching them lose to Villanova... I think they should have won both TBH.
This UNC team has nothing to be ashamed of but it would have been sooooo perfect to end K and then win it all. Like, that’s basically as good as it gets for a Tar Heels fan. So tough loss in that regards, especially given how things were looking at the end of the first half.

But ending K’s career is at least a nice consolation prize.
 

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The being up 15 and losing the lead so quickly and is the only bad part.

I'll take the 21st FF, which was completely unexpected in December/January. It stings and it hurts but it's better than losing Saturday

It's Kansas winning (cousins in some ways), not Nova, not Uconn, not NC State, not Duke.

I also kinda think (I may be crazy) that Gonzaga and Arizona would have beaten both teams by 20 tonight.
 

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Nice rivalry win, for sure, but I’m guessing most UNC fans would rather have a title that didn’t involve ending Coach K vs. a Final 4 win ending K that ended up in a painful title loss. Just so hard to win this thing.
Not this Carolina fan. Beating K in his last home game and his last game ever is all I could have asked for from this team.
 

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This UNC team has nothing to be ashamed of but it would have been sooooo perfect to end K and then win it all. Like, that’s basically as good as it gets for a Tar Heels fan. So tough loss in that regards, especially given how things were looking at the end of the first half.

But ending K’s career is at least a nice consolation prize.
The way he talked and looked at the end of the game.. it almost made me feel sorry for him.

I think UNC still deserved this game.. maybe Kansas had the better tourney, but the game changed at the beginning of the second half.. a lot because of how Kansas hit more shots and UNC missed.. but also because the whistle was favorable for about seven minutes or so.. UNC got a few make-up calls but I thought there were some obvious reach-in fouls and a few hacks down low that didn't get called. Still not an excuse to lose a 15 point lead though.
 

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The being up 15 and losing the lead so quickly and is the only bad part.

I'll take the 21st FF, which was completely unexpected in December/January. It stings and it hurts but it's better than losing Saturday

It's Kansas winning (cousins in some ways), not Nova, not Uconn, not NC State, not Duke.

I also kinda think (I may be crazy) that Gonzaga and Arizona would have beaten both teams by 20 tonight.
On any given night any college team can lose to any other... the tourney is a bit unfair in a way.. but when you get to the final four usually you have four teams that are playing their best ball at the right time...no?
 

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Not this Carolina fan. Beating K in his last home game and his last game ever is all I could have asked for from this team.
They greatly outperformed expectations but losing a title, especially after blowing a 15 point lead is tough. I’m a BC fan though so I won’t ever know this kind of college hoops pain.
 

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In a somewhat unrelated thought, Braun had a quiet double double as a wing, and played all 40 minutes and I hope the Celtics can draft him at 60.
 

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In a somewhat unrelated thought, Braun had a quiet double double as a wing, and played all 40 minutes and I hope the Celtics can draft him at 60.
I'm definitely out of touch with the college game.. but in other years I definitely have seen players I expected to see in the NBA out of Carolina.. who out of this team would you expect to go?
 

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I'm definitely out of touch with the college game.. but in other years I definitely have seen players I expected to see in the NBA out of Carolina.. who out of this team would you expect to go?
Bacot in the middle of the 2nd.

I doubt Love or Manek get drafted, but maybe one of the past couple of picks.

I doubt Black gets close to being drafted but at least he has potential as defensive specialist.

It just sucks that Dayron went 1st round and is languishing in the G league and Kessler is gonna probably go 1st round too this year.
 

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Bacot in the middle of the 2nd.

I doubt Love or Manek get drafted, but maybe one of the past couple of picks.

I doubt Black gets close to being drafted but at least he has potential as defensive specialist.

It just sucks that Dayron went 1st round and is languishing in the G league and Kessler is gonna probably go 1st round too this year.
Yeah.. that's what I was thinking too.. every other time UNC has won or lost I've seen at least two or three players I expected to go.
But I'm also spoiled from the years when UNC had players like Carter or Jamison or Stackhouse or Wallace etc.. Even May or Lawson.. these guys just seemed to be playing way over their heads.
 

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Yeah.. that's what I was thinking too.. every other time UNC has won or lost I've seen at least two or three players I expected to go.
But I'm also spoiled from the years when UNC had players like Carter or Jamison or Stackhouse or Wallace etc.. Even May or Lawson.. these guys just seemed to be playing way over their heads.
This felt like a year where nobody was really that good. Duke has at least 3 guys who’ll move on to the NBA but even they never really impressed me much this year and UNC obviously handled them just fine. Was kind of a weak year in college hoops in terms of high end talent.
 

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This felt like a year where nobody was really that good. Duke has at least 3 guys who’ll move on to the NBA but even they never really impressed me much this year and UNC obviously handled them just fine. Was kind of a weak year in college hoops in terms of high end talent.
I think that's what is most disappointing in a way.. there were not any dominant players... even the two centers on Kansas seem highly flawed.
 

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This felt like a year where nobody was really that good. Duke has at least 3 guys who’ll move on to the NBA but even they never really impressed me much this year and UNC obviously handled them just fine. Was kind of a weak year in college hoops in terms of high end talent.
Premier talent now skips college or goes after a year. I still remember the days when stars like Vince Carter and Jamison stayed for 3 years.
 

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This UNC team has nothing to be ashamed of but it would have been sooooo perfect to end K and then win it all. Like, that’s basically as good as it gets for a Tar Heels fan. So tough loss in that regards, especially given how things were looking at the end of the first half.

But ending K’s career is at least a nice consolation prize.
They lost soooo many times in the Semis when they had the nuts. It was nice to win a Semi when they actually had less talent, especially when the opponent is Duke now? Can't take that away.
 

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Premier talent now skips college or goes after a year. I still remember the days when stars like Vince Carter and Jamison stayed for 3 years.
I remember when Elton Brand, Corey Magette, and William Avery in 1999 were the first Duke players to leave Duke without playing the full 4 years.
 

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This is an understatement.. need at least one or two subs.. no idea how they made it this far basically playing a starting 5.

Also.. that non call on the clear traveling (when the Kansas player shot and caught his own shot with it not hitting anything) and the non goaltending maybe made a bit of a difference? 4 points that Kansas should never have had.
NCAA rules say catching your own air ball is legal. NBA it's a travel
 

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Transfer portal was quietly a huge factor. Remy Martin was a three year player at a major program where he was pretty clearly the man, but becomes the missing piece and wins a championship. It really is a new world and that Is what you need.
It was a huge factor with many Sweet 16 teams. Providence, Iowa St, etc etc…….and this coming year may simply become ludicrous! It’s going to look like the NBA with the entire league on one-year deals. Sit tight.
 

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Not this Carolina fan. Beating K in his last home game and his last game ever is all I could have asked for from this team.
I think the mindset of only championships matter has hurt college sports. As you point out, North Carolina did something incredible twice in a season against their biggest rival. That’s awesome and something that will never be duplicated.
 

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I think the mindset of only championships matter has hurt college sports. As you point out, North Carolina did something incredible twice in a season against their biggest rival. That’s awesome and something that will never be duplicated.
The players leave so quickly that you rarely see the nucleus of a team come back and lead a determined campaign to exact revenge against the team(s) that knocked them off.
On any given night any college team can lose to any other... the tourney is a bit unfair in a way.. but when you get to the final four usually you have four teams that are playing their best ball at the right time...no?
Usually it's a combination of someone playing their best ball and someone losing that probably shouldn't have; making it a lot more possible for the hot team to keep winning.