- Nov 15, 2006
They can't be on Hard Knocks, they made the playoffs last season. Making it in either of the prior two season makes a team exempt.
You’re right, of course. Multiple prime time games is usually the result of on-field success the previous year(s), so ultimately I’d rather live them. But in a year like this, happy to have one kicked back. Particularly in the midst of this idiotic run of the schedule they’re on.Losing out brings two things. A higher draft pick which is desperately needed along with a minimum number of Primetime games. Probably just a Thursday and Monday. It would also probably lead to Hard Knocks for the Patriots.
I’m guessing Hoyer is also caught in a roster crunch and so he will biding his time on IR unless Mac or Zappe gets hurt.Has there been any update on Hoyer? Not that I want to see him in a game, just concern. Didn't seem like that bad of a hit, but I guess concussions can be fickle.
He's in extended rehab wit Craig GrebeckI’m guessing Hoyer is also caught in a roster crunch and so he will biding his time on IR unless Mac or Zappe gets hurt.
I think Barmore still has to miss 1 more game. He was inactive for a few weeks before he went on IR after a setback.I’m wondering more about Barmore and, to a lesser extent, Cannon. Clock’s up on both of them, right? Eligible to return? Barmore is clearly the better of the two, but we could use the body at RT.
SunglassesWhat’s the appropriate gift from a QB to a WR after a throwing a hospital ball. Does Mac get Jakobi a nice steak, or is this going to cost a Rolex or an SUV?
How long until we seek a lurker with that handle?Chaim’s wine
basically what you'd expect from the eye test.... PR unit is excellent, Kick return units is pretty good, FG/XP unit is average.... kickoffs and punts are terrible.Patriots special teams have been at (roughly) or above league average every year since 1996, according to Football Outsiders metrics.
This year so far they are 27th in the NFL, with only the punt return unit (thanks, Marcus Jones) keeping them out of the cellar.
And the PR unit gets dinged for the (at least two that I can remember) dumb running into punter penalties (against Minnesota and Miami) that led to TDs after the penalty gave them the ball back (albeit in the Miami game, they had to convert 4th and 1). They had another one against the Jets in the 2nd matchup, but it was 4th and 12, so the Jets punted again. (Although that punt was a lot better than the first, IIRC, although how much of that was due to the running into the kicker).basically what you'd expect from the eye test.... PR unit is excellent, Kick return units is pretty good, FG/XP unit is average.... kickoffs and punts are terrible.
Just like we were blessed with Brady for 20 years, we've been equally spoiled in specialists during the dynasty run. Vinateri and Ghost were, as a whole, well above-average kickers for their 18 years combined under BB. Then we luck into the combo of Folk and Bailey. As we're seemingly now learning, Bailey was the difference maker for Folk, as he went from out of the league to a top 10 kicker (averaging the 2019-2021 league years together) and now back towards the bottom post-Bailey injury.Bailey's injury screwed them in more than one way.
Ineffective as he was (probably because he tried to play through it), I still think if he could punt at the same level as he had this season (maybe he couldn't even do that); he was at least as good as they guy that replaced him.
Plus, he was the holder and Folk has not been all that good since he departed.
"Know" is a strong word, but via Twitter Bailey has not been spotted at practice the last few days and is on I think Day 15 of his 21 day practice window to come off IR. I didn't copy all the relevant tweets, but in the midst of the good news about Marcus and Jonnu being back at practice, Bailey still seems to be absent.Anyone know Bailey's status? I know he was practicing the other week but haven't seen any updates. Any chance he's activated this week? Is he even still practicing?
I agree - at this point I think we're hoping for him to fully recover and be ready for 2023 season.
https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/35393794/patriots-put-jake-bailey-jack-jones-reserve-suspended-listFOXBOROUGH, Mass. -- The New England Patriots placed four-year veteran punter Jake Bailey and rookie cornerback Jack Jones on the reserve/suspended list on Friday.
Both players had been on injured reserve -- Bailey with a back injury, Jones with a knee injury -- and the Patriots reverted their suspensions to Dec. 31. This puts two game checks in jeopardy for both players and could threaten Bailey's guaranteed money from a lucrative four-year, $13.5 million extension he signed in August.
When a player is placed on the reserve/suspended list, it voids future guarantees, but a player can challenge that in arbitration.
Bailey, who was a first-team All-Pro in 2020, had been placed on injured reserve on Nov. 19. He was enduring a season in which he plummeted to the bottom of the NFL rankings with a 42.1 average and 35.3 net.
The Patriots officially designated Bailey to return from injured reserve Dec. 21, and he participated in parts of practices the next two weeks.
According to a source, the team suspension is due, in part, to differing viewpoints on if Bailey was ready to return to game action.
As for Jones, he injured his knee on the opening series of the Patriots' 27-13 win over the Arizona Cardinals on Dec. 12. In the locker room after the game, Jones told reporters he didn't believe it was a serious injury, but the team eventually placed him on IR on Dec. 31.
Reporters saw Jones last Friday emptying belongings from his locker into a large bag, which seemed to indicate he was leaving the team instead of continuing with his rehabilitation.
A source said the suspension is related, in part, to Jones being fined by the team for missing rehabilitation appointments.
Jones' agent, Jamal Tooson, said in a statement: "Jack is focused on recovering and getting back to help the Patriots as soon as possible. Regarding the suspension, it appears to be based on miscommunication regarding Jack's rehab process. I'm hopeful we'll reach an amicable resolution for both Jack and the Patriots."
Why was Bailey certainly gone? He has a long term deal in place that had a substantial guarantee; absent it voiding, hes pretty much guaranteed to be on the team next year as the dead hit would be really significant if he wasnt.Not overly worried about Bailey as he was certainly gone after this season. But they spent serious draft capital on Jones and he was doing well for a rookie DB. Hopefully the sides don’t get too dug in and they can work something out so he’s not cut this off-season for some reason.
They spent a 4th round pick on Jones so the world won’t end if this doesn’t end well but he clearly was looking like a keeper so that would be the real disappointment for me. I have no idea what’s going on here. You’re a rookie in the NFL. Unless the Pats were trying to rush him back, I have no idea why he got sideways during rehab.Not overly worried about Bailey as he was certainly gone after this season. But they spent serious draft capital on Jones and he was doing well for a rookie DB. Hopefully the sides don’t get too dug in and they can work something out so he’s not cut this off-season for some reason.
He effectively flunked out of USC; for a 5 star recruit, that's pretty frickin hard to do. It is unfortunate that he cant keep to a serious rehab, but it shouldnt be particularly surprising given the history.They spent a 4th round pick on Jones so the world won’t end if this doesn’t end well but he clearly was looking like a keeper so that would be the real disappointment for me. I have no idea what’s going on here. You’re a rookie in the NFL. Unless the Pats were trying to rush him back, I have no idea why he got sideways during rehab.
I’d really like to know what he is upset about. He got a great opportunity here and performed.Jack Jones apparently unfollowed the Patriots on twitter and, per reddit, at one point liked a tweet that basically asked if the Patriots were trying to tank.
Which, of course, is stupid, with 1 game left. The tweet he liked has since been deleted.
Maybe he though he could get back sooner than an IR stint?I’d really like to know what he is upset about. He got a great opportunity here and performed.
What the hell is going on? Why is there always drama around this team
Ditto. It was a lot more tolerable when they were going 12-4.I won't miss this part of the Belichick regime
Except for the occasional benching Malcolm Butler head scratcherDitto. It was a lot more tolerable when they were going 12-4.
If this was happening, wouldn’t it be a higher priority to get Jonnu’s 2023 partial salary guarantee voided than Jake Bailey’s?Well, at least the grievance will force BB to tell what the supposed rationale is. If this is just a charade to void the balance of the contract, BB will get whacked. Perhaps this will force Kraft’s hand in dealing with him.
Really? We’re already onto the clearing the way toward ushering Bill out the door posts? Over an underperforming punter and a rookie DB with a history of maturity issues?I won't miss this part of the Belichick regime
Not at all what I said. But ... you be youReally? We’re already onto the clearing the way toward ushering Bill out the door posts? Over an underperforming punter and a rookie DB with a history of maturity issues?
Little more on this—Patriots coach Bill Belichick used it as a teaching moment, and addressed Jones' conduct in a team meeting leading up to the Miami game. More or less, message was "this isn't what we're looking for" in a rehabbing player.
Jones has been gone for over a week.
You had absolutely no idea what was even happening in either of these situations, and it turns out now Jones was not respecting the process and showing up late repeatedly to rehab. What exactly do you want BB to do?Ditto. It was a lot more tolerable when they were going 12-4.