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Yes it's clearly a move to make it seem like the two actions were equal. I'm pretty unconvinced Sabonis intentionally was grabbing Green's leg in the first place.
If you're on the ground and some guy has his foot above your head, it's kind of a natural move to remove the foot from above your head.
 

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Yes it's clearly a move to make it seem like the two actions were equal. I'm pretty unconvinced Sabonis intentionally was grabbing Green's leg in the first place.
Sabonis goes down next to Green's leg and it's pretty obvious that he is literally reacting to his head being next to a guy's leg by trying to make sure it doesn't result in that guy stepping on his head. Luckily for him, Draymond obliged by stomping on his chest instead.
 

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In the press conference after the game, Draymond said that Monk also grabbed his leg in game 1. Has anyone seen a clip of this? If it actually happened, I would think someone would have posted it on Twitter or r/NBA within minutes last night. I'm guessing that probably answers my question.
He also said “Where am I supposed to put my foot?” in response to his other foot being grabbed. I don’t know, anywhere other than his body?
 

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The Warriors don't really have their core rotation figured out and that has been the case throughout the year, especially with different injuries and acquisitions throughout the season
They don't?

Hasn't the only change from last year's playoff rotation been Divencenzo for Porter?
 

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The Athletic had its player survey published today: "Who talks the most trash on court" leader was Draymond Green at 26.3%.
 

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Late to the party, but I just watched that other angle of the Draymond stomp -- that shit was 100% intentional. He looked down as he was doing it. That's as dirty as it gets.

Among the many reasons why I could never work for the NBA League office -- I'd be walking into Adam Silver's office and telling him, "Five games minimum for the stomp. Another game for each lame excuse: he held my foot, my foot needs an x-ray, I'm not flexible, where else am I supposed to put my foot. Another game for every time he screamed 'Pussy' at the crowd. And throw in another game for yelling at the refs after the ejection when he knew full well what he did. And while we're at it, give Kerr a game, too, for enabling this asshole. So that's what, 20 for Draymond? Sounds about right."
 

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The Sabonis heel in the restricted area as well as Klay's three had me thinking, is it possible to use a smart court?

In theory they should be able to automate some of the officiating of these location-based calls. Let the refs deal with actual fouls etc. Maybe it isn't possible but I would guess this sort of feature would be welcomed. At the very least, there will be no more questions about whether its an eight, nine or 8:59 second violation.
Hawk-Eye (used in Tennis to make line calls) could be used to make a "smart court" possible.

The NBA is going in that direction.

https://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/35818363/nba-use-hawk-eye-tracking-system-follow-players-ball

View: https://bleacherreport.com/articles/10068174-nba-to-use-hawk-eye-technology-in-2023-24-referee-system-used-in-world-cup-tennis
 

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This is the sort of technology I was getting at and hopefully they incorporate it in quickly. It seems like the tools exist to automate things like the eight second violation or even whether a shot got off in time.

Why have the brothers Goble or just Tony Brothers doing hand counts or squinting at a replay screen if there is a better way? Hopefully its sooner rather than later.
 

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This is the sort of technology I was getting at and hopefully they incorporate it in quickly. It seems like the tools exist to automate things like the eight second violation or even whether a shot got off in time.

Why have the brothers Goble or just Tony Brothers doing hand counts or squinting at a replay screen if there is a better way? Hopefully its sooner rather than later.
The NBA should use the USTA's playbook, get the fans clapping and use the big screen to show the call.

Tennis took out the ugliness of McEnroe belittling umpires & made it a positive fan experience.
 

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I just watched the replay again from a different angle…I am stunned that none of the Kings players on the court went after Draymond.
I think they had all turned around to head towards the backcourt on defense and none of them saw it directly. If one of them had, though, then yeah you might've gotten a brawl.
 

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The NBA should use the USTA's playbook, get the fans clapping and use the big screen to show the call.

Tennis took out the ugliness of McEnroe belittling umpires & made it a positive fan experience.
Yeah you guys are onto something. Could easily be used for OOB and goaltending calls too. I'd be all for it.

What this tech did for tennis can't be understated. The guys have to try real hard to find dumb shit to argue about now. They find a way, but at least it's not this stuff.
 

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Harmless, no? Near death? GTFO
A small but not microscopic fraction of the time, that move will result in injuries that are life-altering and possibly life-threatening.

The rest of the time, he's left with a bad bruise, and guys like you come out and say "see? no risk!", as if probabilities aren't a thing. Like going all-in in poker, being cavalier about it works every time but once.
 

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I'd just like to point out that, while the tech is seemingly there, the use cases in basketball would be way more complicated to implement than simple in/out of bounds in tennis. In tennis, there is one object to worry about in relation to the court - the ball - and very few, simple use cases. In basketball, for the use cases people are talking about here, you'd need to keep track of countless parameters and have logic to determine when a violation is taking place in real time.

If you wanted to use the tech, not in real time, but instead after the fact as part of an official review, that would be much simpler. In other words, the ref saying "Computer, tell me if Sabonis' foot was in the restricted zone at this specific point in time" vs. the computer automatically understanding that Sabonis' foot being in the restricted zone at that time was a problem. But how much time would that really be saving, if any at all?
 

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And how often has it worked that way? We both know that it would take an extraordinary circumstance for anyone but Pelinka to have the power to decide Rui’s next contract, to suggest otherwise is disingenuous.
I don't think we should get caught up in semantics, but:

- 29 teams have the power to make or not make an offer sheet to Hachimura. Their collective decisions set his market.
- Pelinka then has the ability to accept or reject those terms, to keep him on the team or let him go at that price.
- If no other team offers him, then Pelinka sets the price. Otherwise Pelinka is a price taker.

Pelinka can ultimately determine whether he stays with the Lakers, but it's the other teams who set the price at which that happens or not, unless none do. I think you're focusing on the former while HRB is focusing on the latter. But his original point was about the ultimate price Hachimura would get in RFA, so I think it's fair to focus on the latter rather than the former.
 

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I don't think we should get caught up in semantics, but:

- 29 teams have the power to make or not make an offer sheet to Hachimura. Their collective decisions set his market.
- Pelinka then has the ability to accept or reject those terms, to keep him on the team or let him go at that price.
- If no other team offers him, then Pelinka sets the price. Otherwise Pelinka is a price taker.

Pelinka can ultimately determine whether he stays with the Lakers, but it's the other teams who set the price at which that happens or not, unless none do. I think you're focusing on the former while HRB is focusing on the latter. But his original point was about the ultimate price Hachimura would get in RFA, so I think it's fair to focus on the latter rather than the former.
Pelinka can also make a proactive offer, though there are constraints to the qualifying and max offer. So Pelinka can be a price maker, but only to a point...beyond that it is the rest of the teams (at least, those with cap space)
 

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A small but not microscopic fraction of the time, that move will result in injuries that are life-altering and possibly life-threatening.
As will just playing the game of basketball. It could happen grabbing a rebound, or diving on the floor for a loose ball.

You probably should just leave it as "that shit was dirty as fuck" and not dive into "he could have died!" territory
 

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I'd just like to point out that, while the tech is seemingly there, the use cases in basketball would be way more complicated to implement than simple in/out of bounds in tennis. In tennis, there is one object to worry about in relation to the court - the ball - and very few, simple use cases. In basketball, for the use cases people are talking about here, you'd need to keep track of countless parameters and have logic to determine when a violation is taking place in real time.

If you wanted to use the tech, not in real time, but instead after the fact as part of an official review, that would be much simpler. In other words, the ref saying "Computer, tell me if Sabonis' foot was in the restricted zone at this specific point in time" vs. the computer automatically understanding that Sabonis' foot being in the restricted zone at that time was a problem. But how much time would that really be saving, if any at all?
Good point. The OOB stuff would be super easy. The restricted area stuff wouldn't really be that much better than the human eye on replay. I think that the computer could tell you whether a guy had a foot in the restricted area when the guy with the ball contacted him (above view), but I'm open to argument that it might not be great at it. Humans can do it, but nobody bothers challenging it most of the time because you don't get a challenge back even when you win (which is bullshit).
 

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I'd just like to point out that, while the tech is seemingly there, the use cases in basketball would be way more complicated to implement than simple in/out of bounds in tennis. In tennis, there is one object to worry about in relation to the court - the ball - and very few, simple use cases. In basketball, for the use cases people are talking about here, you'd need to keep track of countless parameters and have logic to determine when a violation is taking place in real time.

If you wanted to use the tech, not in real time, but instead after the fact as part of an official review, that would be much simpler. In other words, the ref saying "Computer, tell me if Sabonis' foot was in the restricted zone at this specific point in time" vs. the computer automatically understanding that Sabonis' foot being in the restricted zone at that time was a problem. But how much time would that really be saving, if any at all?
HD cameras are cheap, easy to install above the court and it would take AI about .9 seconds to get the line calls right...see Nvidia chips

It's usually the Ref's union that fights this tooth and nail, not "way too complicated for the technology to handle".

Heck, we have satellites that can identify a pack of peanuts in Afghanistan.
 

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As will just playing the game of basketball. It could happen grabbing a rebound, or diving on the floor for a loose ball.

You probably should just leave it as "that shit was dirty as fuck" and not dive into "he could have died!" territory
This is a weird hill for you to die on. Grown man professional athlete curb stomps a guy's rib cage when he's flat on a hardwood floor, and you think that it's crazy talk that it could have stopped his heart? Like obviously it's insanely unlikely, just like someone making hard contact on a straight right to the face is super unlikely to kill a guy. But it's a huge leap from kicking a guy in the jewels too.

Where are people's red lines with this guy? Are there any?
 
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I'd just like to point out that, while the tech is seemingly there, the use cases in basketball would be way more complicated to implement than simple in/out of bounds in tennis. In tennis, there is one object to worry about in relation to the court - the ball - and very few, simple use cases. In basketball, for the use cases people are talking about here, you'd need to keep track of countless parameters and have logic to determine when a violation is taking place in real time.

If you wanted to use the tech, not in real time, but instead after the fact as part of an official review, that would be much simpler. In other words, the ref saying "Computer, tell me if Sabonis' foot was in the restricted zone at this specific point in time" vs. the computer automatically understanding that Sabonis' foot being in the restricted zone at that time was a problem. But how much time would that really be saving, if any at all?
Thank you - and it feels like its more complicated than we are thinking. I do think tech can speed things up even during a review. Maybe they go over and glance at a monitor for a few seconds rather than a few minutes. Any time savings will be welcome.

That said, I see driverless cars all over my Escher painting of a City more with each passing day. Are we that far from high accuracy tracking with players? If the tech can produce reasonably good results (remember they just have to be better than humans), they need to embrace it. The complaints around officiating serve almost no one except the takesphere imo.
 

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He's 25 with a good NBA body (athletic 6'8" with a 7'2" wingspan). He'll get paid. That doesn't mean that he's good now. He'll be getting paid for ceiling.

To be fair, yeah maybe playing in that shithole org did nothing for his development. He wouldn't be the first guy to improve in a better situation. But his resume to date is dreadful.
If anyone pays him it's mostly based on the hope that the Wizards completely botched his development. Certainly within the realm of possibility.

If he continues to play well in the playoffs I wouldn't be surprised if someone bites with a decent contract but he has in fact been a terrible NBA player to date (with a pretty decent sample size and he's not THAT young anymore).
 

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This is exactly how I read it too.

I want to reiterate that what Sabonis did is somewhat common.
Exactly, it's so common that I just posted videos of Draymond, himself, grabbing people by the legs repeatedly over the years. When Klay says about the grabbing of the foot, he says "that's something we don't do." Bullshit, it's something Draymond does all the fucking time, and then some.

Like I said, Draymond is in complete control of his body at all times on the court, except for when he's around an opposing player. Then apparently, he can't help himself from flailing, grabbing, kicking, holding, stomping...It's so fucking predictable at this point. He uses any aggression/physicality by his opponents to ratchet it up to 100 in a millisecond, because he knows he can then excuse his own behavior as a reaction to "their" dirty play. The dude literally feels someone come into him, and then starts moving around like Elaine dancing on Seinfeld.
 

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HD cameras are cheap, easy to install above the court and it would take AI about .9 seconds to get the line calls right...see Nvidia chips

It's usually the Ref's union that fights this tooth and nail, not "way too complicated for the technology to handle".

Heck, we have satellites that can identify a pack of peanuts in Afghanistan.
No argument on cost and speed of computers. It's all of the parameters which would need to be tracked and the corresponding logic which would need to be coded. Someone being in the restricted zone isn't an issue 99% of the time. That's just one use case. Not saying it can't be done.
 

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I would not be particularly surprised if Draymond isn't suspended. The league hates suspending guys in the playoffs in recent years and Draymond is a prime example, he had to do like 5 suspendable things in a row before he got a game last time he was suspended.
I would bet money he's not getting suspended based on Silver's track record. The league will argue he already lost the end of game 2 plus the playoff aspect will hold weight.

The example I look to is the Jokic hit on Markieff Morris last year that only got Jokic 1 game during the regular season.

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yy8T53X_fx0
 

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I'm not willing to die on any hill for that POS. I'm just pointing out that when the argument devolves into "he could have killed someone" you lose a lot of your audience.
I very much agree with you on this hill.

It is kind of dumb to claim this could have killed Sabonis. It isn't that easy to kill someone. Hamlin almost died because he got hit right in the heart at the precise millisecond that stopped his heart. Sabonis didn't get hit in the heart. And the odds of hitting that exact millisecond is extremely low, too.

Could it have injured Sabonis? Of course. And that is why Draymond is a piece of shit cheap shot artist. But could that have resulted in death? Nonsense. To use MMA as an example of why this was a killing shot is also kind of weak. How many MMA fighters are dying in the ring? And those guys take 100s of shots all over their bodies, not one to the ribs.
 

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I very much agree with you on this hill.

It is kind of dumb to claim this could have killed Sabonis. It isn't that easy to kill someone. Hamlin almost died because he got hit right in the heart at the precise millisecond that stopped his heart. Sabonis didn't get hit in the heart. And the odds of hitting that exact millisecond is extremely low, too.

Could it have injured Sabonis? Of course. And that is why Draymond is a piece of shit cheap shot artist. But could that have resulted in death? Nonsense. To use MMA as an example of why this was a killing shot is also kind of weak. How many MMA fighters are dying in the ring? And those guys take 100s of shots all over their bodies, not one to the ribs.
I think this conversation has veered a bit off kilter. Ultimately, I agree with you that yeah, it would be really, really, really, infinitesimally small ludicrously ridiculous low probability of leading to death.

But, I also think there's a large segment of folks treating this as if it's way less bad than it really is.

Had Tatum gone up for a breakaway layup/dunk, and Draymond came out of nowhere and just undercut him completely and Tatum landed on his head, or got hurt and was out for the season, folks would be losing their collective minds and calling for a year long suspension.

But in reality, that play would probably be more defensible from a Draymond standpoint as a basketball play, than literally standing up, stomping a guy and then using his chest as a fucking trampoline because he got the mads about Sabonis grabbing his foot.
 

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I think this conversation has veered a bit off kilter. Ultimately, I agree with you that yeah, it would be really, really, really, infinitesimally small ludicrously ridiculous low probability of leading to death.

But, I also think there's a large segment of folks treating this as if it's way less bad than it really is.

Had Tatum gone up for a breakaway layup/dunk, and Draymond came out of nowhere and just undercut him completely and Tatum landed on his head, or got hurt and was out for the season, folks would be losing their collective minds and calling for a year long suspension.

But in reality, that play would probably be more defensible from a Draymond standpoint as a basketball play, than literally standing up, stomping a guy and then using his chest as a fucking trampoline because he got the mads about Sabonis grabbing his foot.
Exactly. We have one guy overcorrecting here and a bunch of other people nationally undercorrecting. If Dray had Kermit Washingtoned Sabonis, I think that half of the basketball twittergencia would be talking about Dray's compete level and how Sabonis kinda brought it on himself. It's fucking joke.
 

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I would bet money he's not getting suspended based on Silver's track record. The league will argue he already lost the end of game 2 plus the playoff aspect will hold weight.

The example I look to is the Jokic hit on Markieff Morris last year that only got Jokic 1 game during the regular season.

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yy8T53X_fx0
Kevin Love got two games for his stomp on Scola

https://minnesota.sbnation.com/minnesota-timberwolves/2012/2/6/2775307/kevin-love-suspension-wolves-forward-benched-for-two-games-by-nba
 

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What's crazy is that Draymond undoubtedly saw this as a "winning play." Sabonis was rebounding and defending well in Game 1... he was an obstacle to the Warriors winning... it was the end of the game... so, yeah, sit back down on Sabonis when you're tangled up already. Game 2, Sabonis is once again playing well and the Warriors are staring down the barrel of 0-2 in the series -- and suddenly, Draymond is stomping on Sabonis (think Draymond is doing that to Trey Lyles?).

I remember posters here pointing out during the Finals last year that Draymond is at his most dangerous when he's not playing well -- because that's when he pulls shit like this (particularly when he already has one technical in a game, so he knows that the refs will be slow to call a second one). He sees dirty plays as a way to contribute. Because they get into the head of the other team... or opponents will lash out at him and get rack up fouls... and a myriad of other BS justifications.

Bottom line: he sees himself as a winning player... and yes, he's been on teams that have won... but when his career is over, people are going to speak about him in the same way as they do Laimbeer.
 

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What's crazy is that Draymond undoubtedly saw this as a "winning play." Sabonis was rebounding and defending well in Game 1... he was an obstacle to the Warriors winning... it was the end of the game... so, yeah, sit back down on Sabonis when you're tangled up already. Game 2, Sabonis is once again playing well and the Warriors are staring down the barrel of 0-2 in the series -- and suddenly, Draymond is stomping on Sabonis (think Draymond is doing that to Trey Lyles?).

I remember posters here pointing out during the Finals last year that Draymond is at his most dangerous when he's not playing well -- because that's when he pulls shit like this (particularly when he already has one technical in a game, so he knows that the refs will be slow to call a second one). He sees dirty plays as a way to contribute. Because they get into the head of the other team... or opponents will lash out at him and get rack up fouls... and a myriad of other BS justifications.

Bottom line: he sees himself as a winning player... and yes, he's been on teams that have won... but when his career is over, people are going to speak about him in the same way as they do Laimbeer.
I disagree in that I think the narrative around Draymond is that he is this cerebral player who pushes limits to tick off opponents and everything he does is with this deep, strategic intent. I think he is a hugely emotional player that is extremely reactive from moment-to-moment, and that can lead to very good things, like hustling and working really hard on defense and firing his team up, and it can also lead to really bad things, like picking up needless techs and getting ejected from games because he can't control himself. He is immature and dangerous, and the Warriors have cultivated a culture where they have empowered him to be that way because they think it gives them the best chance to win because they need him to be engaged.
 

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What's crazy is that Draymond undoubtedly saw this as a "winning play." Sabonis was rebounding and defending well in Game 1... he was an obstacle to the Warriors winning... it was the end of the game... so, yeah, sit back down on Sabonis when you're tangled up already. Game 2, Sabonis is once again playing well and the Warriors are staring down the barrel of 0-2 in the series -- and suddenly, Draymond is stomping on Sabonis (think Draymond is doing that to Trey Lyles?).

I remember posters here pointing out during the Finals last year that Draymond is at his most dangerous when he's not playing well -- because that's when he pulls shit like this (particularly when he already has one technical in a game, so he knows that the refs will be slow to call a second one). He sees dirty plays as a way to contribute. Because they get into the head of the other team... or opponents will lash out at him and get rack up fouls... and a myriad of other BS justifications.

Bottom line: he sees himself as a winning player... and yes, he's been on teams that have won... but when his career is over, people are going to speak about him in the same way as they do Laimbeer.
i really doubt he thought it out, any more than he thought out punching his teammate in pre-season or kicking a guy in the nuts... he's a childish clown, he always has been, when things aren't going his way, or someone annoys him he lashes out with dirty tricks because he can't act like an adult.
 

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I would bet money he's not getting suspended based on Silver's track record. The league will argue he already lost the end of game 2 plus the playoff aspect will hold weight.

The example I look to is the Jokic hit on Markieff Morris last year that only got Jokic 1 game during the regular season.

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yy8T53X_fx0
Forgot about that one. Ugly (and I love Joker). That said, there's a big difference between what Morris did (obvious intentional body check from a guy who has a history) and the Sabonis ankle grab (arguably defensive in nature). If the two retaliations are relatively equal, and assuming the league takes into consideration the inciting incident, then a playoff one-game suspension has to be at least seriously considered, right?
 

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What's crazy is that Draymond undoubtedly saw this as a "winning play." Sabonis was rebounding and defending well in Game 1... he was an obstacle to the Warriors winning... it was the end of the game... so, yeah, sit back down on Sabonis when you're tangled up already. Game 2, Sabonis is once again playing well and the Warriors are staring down the barrel of 0-2 in the series -- and suddenly, Draymond is stomping on Sabonis (think Draymond is doing that to Trey Lyles?).

I remember posters here pointing out during the Finals last year that Draymond is at his most dangerous when he's not playing well -- because that's when he pulls shit like this (particularly when he already has one technical in a game, so he knows that the refs will be slow to call a second one). He sees dirty plays as a way to contribute. Because they get into the head of the other team... or opponents will lash out at him and get rack up fouls... and a myriad of other BS justifications.

Bottom line: he sees himself as a winning player... and yes, he's been on teams that have won... but when his career is over, people are going to speak about him in the same way as they do Laimbeer.
It'll be really interesting to see how he's viewed in retirement. He's media savvy enough to have a career in the booth or on the set, and aside from decking his own teammate, I think a lot of his antics are viewed as crafty/borderline but not outright malicious. (Which is not accurate but alas.) He's pushing it though, and could really benefit from cleaning up this crap.
 

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I disagree in that I think the narrative around Draymond is that he is this cerebral player who pushes limits to tick off opponents and everything he does is with this deep, strategic intent. I think he is a hugely emotional player that is extremely reactive from moment-to-moment, and that can lead to very good things, like hustling and working really hard on defense and firing his team up, and it can also lead to really bad things, like picking up needless techs and getting ejected from games because he can't control himself. He is immature and dangerous, and the Warriors have cultivated a culture where they have empowered him to be that way because they think it gives them the best chance to win because they need him to be engaged.
Fair enough. You may well be right. And it could be that Draymond is just going after Sabonis because their defensive assignments bring them together a lot.

I just find it interesting that people a lot smarter and more basketball-observant than me can predict when Draymond is going to lash out.
 

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i really doubt he thought it out, any more than he thought out punching his teammate in pre-season or kicking a guy in the nuts... he's a childish clown, he always has been, when things aren't going his way, or someone annoys him he lashes out with dirty tricks because he can't act like an adult.
He's definitely a clown. The way he talks, though... I think he knows he loses his cool and puts himself in situations where his bullshit antics will help the team. I guess it's the difference between acting like a child and acting like a clown: the latter has more intent.
 

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No argument on cost and speed of computers. It's all of the parameters which would need to be tracked and the corresponding logic which would need to be coded. Someone being in the restricted zone isn't an issue 99% of the time. That's just one use case. Not saying it can't be done.
Yea, they can grid the court and use it for out-of-bounds lines, restricted zone lines, 3pt lines, half-court timing, buzzer beaters, etc (basically anything that is non-player contact)

the speed is KEY, since it will probably increase the # of challenges a HC will have (which isn't a big deal if video evidence can pop up on the overhead within seconds, ala tennis)
 

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Can Scott Foster go increase his winning streak to 15 playoff games tonight against Chris Paul? Tune in tonight to find out:

https://www.barstoolsports.com/blog/3463836/the-nba-goes-full-wwe-and-assigns-scott-foster-to-the-most-important-game-of-the-suns-season


FTR, I'm rooting for Scott Foster tonight.
It's tough because you want Foster in a 3-0 game 4 scenario (he's the sweep stopper), but it's hard to avoid the pleasure of him ruining Chris Paul's day again. I'm not even a gambler, but the action on this game will be super intense.
 

Auger34

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Exactly, it's so common that I just posted videos of Draymond, himself, grabbing people by the legs repeatedly over the years. When Klay says about the grabbing of the foot, he says "that's something we don't do." Bullshit, it's something Draymond does all the fucking time, and then some.

Like I said, Draymond is in complete control of his body at all times on the court, except for when he's around an opposing player. Then apparently, he can't help himself from flailing, grabbing, kicking, holding, stomping...It's so fucking predictable at this point. He uses any aggression/physicality by his opponents to ratchet it up to 100 in a millisecond, because he knows he can then excuse his own behavior as a reaction to "their" dirty play. The dude literally feels someone come into him, and then starts moving around like Elaine dancing on Seinfeld.
I don’t want to offend anyone here but Klay seems like he’s really dumb. I know most people like him around the league but he kind of strikes me as someone like James Franco’s character in Pineapple Express. He seems well meaning, he’s stoned all the time and a dummy.

he’s also a massive hypocrite. When LeBron threw a fan out for saying stuff towards him during the Cavs-Warriors finals, Klay made some jabs about how he was soft. When Boston fans were meanies to Draymond, the world was ending and it was super inappropriate
 

Smokey Joe

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I very much agree with you on this hill.

It is kind of dumb to claim this could have killed Sabonis. It isn't that easy to kill someone. Hamlin almost died because he got hit right in the heart at the precise millisecond that stopped his heart. Sabonis didn't get hit in the heart. And the odds of hitting that exact millisecond is extremely low, too.

Could it have injured Sabonis? Of course. And that is why Draymond is a piece of shit cheap shot artist. But could that have resulted in death? Nonsense. To use MMA as an example of why this was a killing shot is also kind of weak. How many MMA fighters are dying in the ring? And those guys take 100s of shots all over their bodies, not one to the ribs.
I pretty much agree as well. But I have taken care of Rodeo types who have been bull stomped and after they find out that the ribs aren’t broken and they aren’t pissing blood they AMA back to the arena. And I did have one patient who arrested and died after being kicked in the chest by a horse. She was found in the barn by her family. It can happen.
 

HomeRunBaker

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Nobody cares about a Kevin Love suspension in February. The eyeballs all over the world on a Dray/Sabonis G3 would be absolutely massive.

“Should” Green get suspended? Of course. Will Silver pass up this opportunity of Must-See NBA in a Round 1 game? I do not feel that his bosses would want him to do that.
 

djbayko

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I pretty much agree as well. But I have taken care of Rodeo types who have been bull stomped and after they find out that the ribs aren’t broken and they aren’t pissing blood they AMA back to the arena. And I did have one patient who arrested and died after being kicked in the chest by a horse. She was found in the barn by her family. It can happen.
Horse
Bull
Draymond Green

Draymond may be a very physically fit athlete but one of these things is not like the other.