2023 Pats: Offseason

Ferm Sheller

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Yeah, that's just a downright lie by Bill if he's stated that. Of course they take positional need into consideration, especially in the first round. As they should.

Right. Mac Jones, for example. There's no way that they felt that he was the BPA -- they took him because their QB was the corpse of Cam Newton. Consider the same draft, but they have Brady in his prime and locked up long-term, do they take Mac Jones at 15 even if they feel he's the BPA? I think not.
 

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Right. Mac Jones, for example. There's no way that they felt that he was the BPA -- they took him because their QB was the corpse of Cam Newton. Consider the same draft, but they have Brady in his prime and locked up long-term, do they take Mac Jones at 15 even if they feel he's the BPA? I think not.
I mean, if Cole Strange was their BPA at that spot we should be firing the entire scouting department. But everyone knows he wasn't and they just didn't have a guard.
 

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All true, but BB has made it clear they try to draft based on best player available and not need. It's part of the reason he likes to fill out the holes on the roster prior to the draft.

Regardless, the "BB sucks at drafting" conversation has been rehashed so many time here.
 

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So weird. Sounds like if Matt has nothing better to do then Bill will have him back. I don't get it.
Maybe BB's doing him a solid -- by not openly cutting ties, MP is more likely to land another position than if BB just dropped him into the "damaged goods" pile.
 

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So weird. Sounds like if Matt has nothing better to do then Bill will have him back. I don't get it.
he's apparently good at some things, just not offensive coordinator. Bill is giving him the chance to explore coaching options so as not to hold him back, but if he doesn't find one, Bill will put him on a behind the scenes job where he thinks he'll add value.
 

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Maybe BB's doing him a solid -- by not openly cutting ties, MP is more likely to land another position than if BB just dropped him into the "damaged goods" pile.
he's apparently good at some things, just not offensive coordinator. Bill is giving him the chance to explore coaching options so as not to hold him back, but if he doesn't find one, Bill will put him on a behind the scenes job where he thinks he'll add value.
Oh for sure, I get all of that. Just funny to me how BB keeps going the extra mile for Patricia. He seems to be the only one in the league who thinks he's worth that.
 

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Past results are not necessarily indicative of future performance.

But yeah this is BB’s way of saying, you know, I’ve got a pretty good track record of being good at this.
But his track record without TB12 isn’t quite the same as the one with him. I am not one of those fans that is saying BB is trash without Brady, but Mac Jones clearly needs more around him than Brady did to achieve similar levels of success. Right now, this team is headed for last place in what most expect to be the toughest division in the NFL.
 

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But his track record without TB12 isn’t quite the same as the one with him. I am not one of those fans that is saying BB is trash without Brady, but Mac Jones clearly needs more around him than Brady did to achieve similar levels of success. Right now, this team is headed for last place in what most expect to be the toughest division in the NFL.
I hear this a lot and it might play out that way but I strongly suspect the AFC East doesn't look nearly as good at the end of the season as they do right now; lot of uncertainity with respect to how well A A Ron and Jones play and a lot of uncertainity around tua's health
 

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People will say this is how Bill always answers these types of questions but I recall him being a lot more direct and effusive towards Mac last off-season. Not to mention the whole "Cam's our quarterback" stuff. Maybe he feels Mac hasn't earned that type of treatment or isn't the sort of guy who responds well to positive reinforcement, but while I don't think these quotes are a big deal (and they'll be turned into one by talk radio), it's hard for me to take them as completely meaningless.
 

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Harbaugh is on his left.
Entitled question? Ok.
Yes, it's based on Pats fans deserving the best and only the best and you're sitting there asking the greatest coach of all time why fans should think they'll win. It's a very stupid and derogatory question that serves no purpose other than to troll BB and artificially generate headlines. Did Volin ask it? Seems like a Volin or New Age Curran question.
 

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Harbaugh is on his left.
Yes, it's based on Pats fans deserving the best and only the best and you're sitting there asking the greatest coach of all time why fans should think they'll win. It's a very stupid and derogatory question that serves no purpose other than to troll BB and artificially generate headlines. Did Volin ask it? Seems like a Volin or New Age Curran question.
It's a stupid and arrogant answer. But he's our arrogant asshole.
 

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Meh, there's a way to answer that question in a way that makes clear how dumb it is without looking like a fool swinging your dick around mere seconds after talking about how 2022 doesn't matter. But I guess 2004 does or something.
Being nice to reporters is not in Belichick’s job description.
 

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Being nice to reporters is not in Belichick’s job description.
No one is complaining he was rude to a reporter, just that it's the sort of answer that does very little to assuage fears that he still believes whatever worked 15 years ago in terms of roster construction will work now and it's all a matter of following that process. The fact that he feels the need to flaunt his success when getting defensive over a dumb question doesn't exactly fill me with confidence.
 

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No one is complaining he was rude to a reporter, just that it's the sort of answer that does very little to assuage fears that he still believes whatever worked 15 years ago in terms of roster construction will work now and it's all a matter of following that process. The fact that he feels the need to flaunt his success when getting defensive over a dumb question doesn't exactly fill me with confidence.
Even assuming he's doing the same thing he was five or fifteen years ago what's to say that that approach _isn't_ the right approach today
 

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Mr. Curran, you know full well that there is only one "Assistant to the Head Coach" in New England. It's been the same guy for over 20 years. His name is Berj Najarian, and they just now refer to him as "Director of Football/Head Coach Administration."

https://www.bostonglobe.com/sports/patriots/2019/01/31/who-mysterious-berj-najarian-bill-belichick-right-hand-man/PdvKUC9ZQcxttHhmYVFk5M/story.html

https://www.nbcsports.com/boston/new-england-patriots/story-behind-belichick-wearing-armenian-pin-white-house

You know who wasn't at the Shrine Bowl with Bill? Joe Judge or Matt Patricia? You know who was? Berj Najarian:

https://www.boston.com/sports/new-england-patriots/2023/01/25/shrine-bowl-coaching-staff-no-matt-patricia-or-joe-judge/
 

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No one is complaining he was rude to a reporter, just that it's the sort of answer that does very little to assuage fears that he still believes whatever worked 15 years ago in terms of roster construction will work now and it's all a matter of following that process. The fact that he feels the need to flaunt his success when getting defensive over a dumb question doesn't exactly fill me with confidence.
Not sure those fears are justified at all.
 

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No one is complaining he was rude to a reporter, just that it's the sort of answer that does very little to assuage fears that he still believes whatever worked 15 years ago in terms of roster construction will work now and it's all a matter of following that process. The fact that he feels the need to flaunt his success when getting defensive over a dumb question doesn't exactly fill me with confidence.
Is there any indication, other than your preconceived bias reading it, that the response was defensive? It could have been said with one of those playful grins that he breaks out from time to time.
 

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I can’t think of the Patriots and Lamar Jackson, without thinking of the facts that we traded out of the pic that was used to draft him. Feels like that would’ve been the time to get him not what he wants a quarter billion dollars guaranteed.

These Robert Kraft quotes are hilarious BTW. I’m so glad we have Jerrod Mayo tied up long-term as well — until of course somebody hires him next year.
 

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Not sure those fears are justified at all.
Okay, then. To me the makeup of the roster is far more similar to the one they've had for 24 years than the one contenders have recently surrounded their young cheap QBs with. So let's see. Thus far it has been 3 years of no division titles, no playoff wins and one game under .500 ball with that philosophy sans the All-World QB. And to me that's mostly on roster building (coaching got them far more wins than the talent on the field would indicate in 20/21). But sure, a whole lot of off-season left, ample opportunity for major trades and the draft to inject some top tier talent into this middle class heavy roster.
 

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Lot of dreams(for us) and nightmares(for opponents)if Lamar gets to New England
So in Roald Dahl's book the witches the main character is happy to be stuck as a mouse because even though he'll only live nine more years, that's the exact amount of time his beloved grandmother would live and it's just perfect for the two of them to go out of this world at the same time.

I kind of feel this way about Jackson. Make the trade, be ready for Lamar's career to last about four years before he slows down to like human speed, have Lamar and Bill retire together, and just to a total franchise rennovation with a new football czar then.
 

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I can’t think of the Patriots and Lamar Jackson, without thinking of the facts that we traded out of the pic that was used to draft him. Feels like that would’ve been the time to get him not what he wants a quarter billion dollars guaranteed.

These Robert Kraft quotes are hilarious BTW. I’m so glad we have Jerrod Mayo tied up long-term as well — until of course somebody hires him next year.
That didn't actually happen. Would have been a better result than what actually happened, though - we drafted Sony Michel 31 & LJax went 32.

It was actually the Eagles who traded out of 32.

The full trade was:

Ravens get
32 (LJax)
132 (Jaleel Scott)

Eagles get:
52 (traded up from there to 49 with a 5th for Dallas Goedert)
125 (Josh Sweat)
'19 2nd (Miles Sanders)
 
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Van Everyman

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That didn't actually happen. Would have been a better result than what actually happened, though - we drafted Sony Michel 31 & LJax went 32.

It was actually the Eagles who traded out of 32.

The full trade was:

Ravens get
32 (LJax)
132 (Jaleel Scott)

Eagles get:
52 (traded up from there to 49 with a 5th for Dallas Goedert)
125 (Josh Sweat)
'19 2nd (Miles Sanders)
Ok my memory failed. I do remember thinking for a moment that we might use that pick on him though.
 

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I kind of feel this way about Jackson. Make the trade, be ready for Lamar's career to last about four years before he slows down to like human speed, have Lamar and Bill retire together, and just to a total franchise rennovation with a new football czar then.
It's not just the trade, though ... it's the contract. And it's not just the trade and the contract, it's determining whether you have the pieces around Jackson, including on the O-line, to make a seismic change to the style of attack possible.

I like the mouse story, though