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Without knowing or understanding the Vegas odds on Tiger winning again, I will say if I had to bet on my life--I would say Tiger wins again.

Perhaps not a major and it appears, as you say his body is shot for any consistent rise to the top. But if Tiger can so much as get within sniffing range of a win going forward--he will close the deal. Tiger Woods makes Mariano Rivera look like an over-the-hill version of Rob Dibble. Best of the best type level.

I think Tigers greatest asset that put him in the GOAT territory was always his mental toughness within the pressures of competition. This is a skill that ages well. Jacks major record is safe but if I was Sam Snead I'd prolly be resting a little uneasy in my grave.
I'll take that bet. If I win, I get your life.

I don't think he has the stamina to win again on tour. These kids are way too good now.
 

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Perhaps we can work out some Jimmy Fund bet expiring before Tigers 50 or something.?.

The kids are good, yes, but Tiger won a major not that long ago and Phil won even more recently while struggling to break 80 since.

But seriously how does one go about reading the vegas odds on somethin like this? I will bet (not on my life, ha) if you pay me market rate on the odds of Tiger winning and/or happens in a major. 3:1 regular tourney / 10:1 major??

Tiger looked great last week and can close out a competitive sporting event like no-other.

I hated Tiger during his run, but since the 2019 Masters im fully on the Tiger Train
 
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Perhaps we can work out some Jimmy Fund bet expiring before Tigers 50 or something.?.

The kids are good, yes, but Tiger won a major not that long ago and Phil won even more recently while struggling to break 80 since.

But seriously how does one go about reading the vegas odds on somethin like this? I will bet (not on my life, ha) if you pay me market rate on the odds of Tiger winning and/or happens in a major. 3:1 regular tourney / 10:1 major??

Tiger looked great last week and can close out a competitive sporting event like no-other.

I hated Tiger during his run, but since the 2019 Masters im fully on the Tiger Train
The biggest barrier to him winning again is that he just won't play enough, and he'll only play designated events and majors. If he decided to play an opposite event, just to get the record, he'd have a really solid change. But, playing 8 times a year means he'll never shake off the rust or get his game in real competitive shape.
 

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The biggest barrier to him winning again is that he just won't play enough, and he'll only play designated events and majors. If he decided to play an opposite event, just to get the record, he'd have a really solid change. But, playing 8 times a year means he'll never shake off the rust or get his game in real competitive shape.
This is probably the case, but if anyone is going to figure out how to stay competitive with minimal tournament reps, it's probably him. I mean he did just show up at a designated event out of the blue and hovered around the top 20 for 3 days and finished in the 40's. Obviously tournaments are 4 days long and the top 40 is a long way from winning, but I think the fact that he beat ~90 guys who grind at this week in and week out says something about what he can do if he feels reasonably good. Especially considering Riv is one of the few (the only?) place he's never had great success.

I just thought this week showed a far more sustainable version of Tiger than what we saw last year. He definitely got tired on Sunday (I think his ball speed dropped like 10mph) so that's something he'll need to figure out. The dropped shots and misses throughout the week looked and felt more like rust than physical limitations. If he is able to clean that up, I don't think it's out of the realm of possibility he picks one off. The smart bet would be to bet against it of course, but I wouldn't put it past him.

I'm kind of curious if he tries to play one more between now and Augusta. Bay Hill is next week, probably too quick of a turnaround. The Players in 2 weeks falls right in the middle between last week and Augusta. Not sure if he would try to sneak that one in as a tuneup or if it's all about Augusta now.
 

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Sally Jenkins just gut-shot KIV and left it to bleed out

https://www.washingtonpost.com/sports/2023/02/22/pga-tour-liv-golf/

The airborne toxic event called LIV Golf is slowly dissipating, and soon all that will be left is the mere faint scent of its portable toilets. The failures are piling up so fast that the PGA Tour may not even need lawyers to beat LIV. It’s going to beat itself with its own sour-smelling hustle, its jinks-on-the links-for-clinks gutter golf.

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“Golf, but louder” is one of LIV’s slogans, but all that apparently refers to is Ian Poulter’s pants by Pixar. Poulter is at least a likable star, more audience-friendly than laconic burnout cases such as Brooks Koepka or that aging inveterate scrounger Mickelson, who apparently would take checks from the slaughter of dolphins to get whole. Starting Friday in Mexico, all of them will resume crapping around in an incoherent, noncompetitive, no-cut, drama-repellant 54-hole format with locked-in appearance fees.


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Koepka and Poulter allowed the cameras to follow them especially closely and gave revealing interviews that show just how hollow-eyed and desperate they were over downturns in their careers and fears that they had become second-rate. Their motives for jumping at LIV’s cash are there for all to see; they say it all straight into the cameras. They didn’t leave the PGA Tour because they wanted to play better golf against the best in the world. They left because they couldn’t anymore.
I’m too casual a golf fan to opine in her takes on Koepka & co as players, and I only sat through ten minutes of one event out of curiosity, but I was following the LIV story - until I realized on reading this that LIV has fallen off the radar. And it seems to be that way because it sucks.
 

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Sally Jenkins just gut-shot KIV and left it to bleed out

https://www.washingtonpost.com/sports/2023/02/22/pga-tour-liv-golf/



I’m too casual a golf fan to opine in her takes on Koepka & co as players, and I only sat through ten minutes of one event out of curiosity, but I was following the LIV story - until I realized on reading this that LIV has fallen off the radar. And it seems to be that way because it sucks.
Just started the story, but that's quite the lede:
The airborne toxic event called LIV Golf is slowly dissipating, and soon all that will be left is the mere faint scent of its portable toilets.
EDIT: Yeah. Evisceration. As for Koepka, it wasn't so much her take on his career, it seemed to stem from his own. And like the writer, I really dont have as much of a probem with someone like Poulter who says "it's about the money," because it is.
 
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The product probably stinks. It's an exhibition series. LIV stayed in the news last year because of the rumors, hostility and slow drip of high profile players leaving the PGA Tour. The hostility is still there but it's quieted down as the legal battle plays out in court (so far the PGA Tour is dominating). They still are signing players, but none noteworthy. The stars are firmly entrenched at this point. Nobody gives a shit about Brendan Steele. All that's left now is the actual golf. We'll see how they do. They were on Youtube last year and got between 30,000-50,000 viewers at a time, and that's with the curiosity factor. Now they are going to be on the CW. Is anyone going to actually tune in to watch the Hyflyers try to take down the Rangegoats? I follow a lot of golf and haven't heard or read a single person say that they can't wait to watch the LIV tournament this week. Supposedly the CW isn't tracked by the ratings companies like Nielsen so the general assumption is LIV is going to make the ratings up.

As far as those 2 players go, I would strongly disagree with the characterization of Poulter being a likeable star. I would say, at least for American fans, he's among the most hated players out there.
 

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Fun fact, my students produce a show that airs on our CW affiliate on the last Sunday of the month. We've been moved from our usual 5:30 to 6pm because of golf coverage. Thus, we lose our random old movie lead-in for this black hole of nothing. These fuckwads better not go past 6.
 

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I'll take cold hard cash. I donate to enough charities.
The problem with a -3300 bet that doesn't resolve for 5 months is that you are tying up your cash for what amounts to a 7.2% annualized return. So it doesn't really make sense to put money on it. I do think there is pretty much zero chance Tiger wins a major this year, so the odds are a bit out of line from reality.
 

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The problem with a -3300 bet that doesn't resolve for 5 months is that you are tying up your cash for what amounts to a 7.2% annualized return. So it doesn't really make sense to put money on it. I do think there is pretty much zero chance Tiger wins a major this year, so the odds are a bit out of line from reality.
It's trying to entice betting on the other side
 

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This is quite the one-on-one battle going on in the final 5 holes of the Honda Classic
 

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This is quite the one-on-one battle going on in the final 5 holes of the Honda Classic
We were in the 17th green skybox when Cole put one within inches of the hole off the tee. Pretty awesome experience, all you can eat prime rib, all you can drink everything and these two enormous birds on the green all day that scared the crap out of nearly every caddie who approached.
 

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We were in the 17th green skybox when Cole put one within inches of the hole off the tee. Pretty awesome experience, all you can eat prime rib, all you can drink everything and these two enormous birds on the green all day that scared the crap out of nearly every caddie who approached.
They said something on the broadcast about this being the final Honda Classic. This getting a new sponsor? Hope so, because this course is such a fun watch
 

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Anyone have tips for Honda Classic? (When to arrive, parking, what holes to watch, etc)
Considering going next week
Tried to go today, but couldn't find any free parking within 2-3 miles, everything was $30+.or I could be towed. (To then walk and try to scalp a ticket) ANd it's not like there are that many top names contending (thanks, Liv).

For me, I don;t really care, I am not a a good market for it,, and a cheap bastard, but I feel stuff this helps (hurts) to price out a large part of the next generations. There was definitely enough real estate (no water/mountain geographical issues) and empty spots that would likely not get filled (this was 3:30ish), just seemed like a money grab.

And more signs, paraphrasing, "we will tow" than I think I've ever seen anywhere.

Honestly, the best course of action, was keep my car in Abacoa free parking at the Roger Dean and walk the 3-4 miles, if I thought about it beforehand.
 

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Tried to go today, but couldn't find any free parking within 2-3 miles, everything was $30+.or I could be towed. (To then walk and try to scalp a ticket) ANd it's not like there are that many top names contending (thanks, Liv).

For me, I don;t really care, I am not a a good market for it,, and a cheap bastard, but I feel stuff this helps (hurts) to price out a large part of the next generations. There was definitely enough real estate (no water/mountain geographical issues) and empty spots that would likely not get filled (this was 3:30ish), just seemed like a money grab.

And more signs, paraphrasing, "we will tow" than I think I've ever seen anywhere.

Honestly, the best course of action, was keep my car in Abacoa free parking at the Roger Dean and walk the 3-4 miles, if I thought about it beforehand.
Wish I read this thread beforehand we could have picked you up. The guy I got the tickets from threw in the parking pass.

“Honey we just have to stop and pick up a buddy to get him in”

“Oh nice, what’s his name? What does he look like?

“Uhhhh, Ale. Uhhhh, I dunno.”
They said something on the broadcast about this being the final Honda Classic. This getting a new sponsor? Hope so, because this course is such a fun watch
Yes, a new yet to be announced sponsor is lined up and the spot in the schedule will be addressed to supposedly bring powerhouse fields back to Palm Gardens.
 

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Wish I read this thread beforehand we could have picked you up. The guy I got the tickets from threw in the parking pass.

“Honey we just have to stop and pick up a buddy to get him in”

“Oh nice, what’s his name? What does he look like?

“Uhhhh, Ale. Uhhhh, I dunno.”
LOL
No worries!
 

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Tried to go today, but couldn't find any free parking within 2-3 miles, everything was $30+.or I could be towed. (To then walk and try to scalp a ticket) ANd it's not like there are that many top names contending (thanks, Liv).

For me, I don;t really care, I am not a a good market for it,, and a cheap bastard, but I feel stuff this helps (hurts) to price out a large part of the next generations. There was definitely enough real estate (no water/mountain geographical issues) and empty spots that would likely not get filled (this was 3:30ish), just seemed like a money grab.

And more signs, paraphrasing, "we will tow" than I think I've ever seen anywhere.

Honestly, the best course of action, was keep my car in Abacoa free parking at the Roger Dean and walk the 3-4 miles, if I thought about it beforehand.
Parking was $10 at the official offsite lot with a free shuttle. Unless a course has the financial might to buy out every property for a mile away (like Augusta), the parking situation isn’t going to be great at a PGA Tour event. I suppose you could also play it in the middle of nowhere, but that doesn’t help the accessibility issues either. You could also roll the cost into the price of a ticket, like a lot of tournaments do, but that just shifts the costs and doesn’t eliminate them.

The PGA Tour is a major league sport and is priced accordingly. That being said, there are practice rounds, Korn Ferry Tour events, and LPGA events aplenty if you’re looking for a low-cost full-day activity at the golf course.
 

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Parking was $10 at the official offsite lot with a free shuttle. Unless a course has the financial might to buy out every property for a mile away (like Augusta), the parking situation isn’t going to be great at a PGA Tour event. I suppose you could also play it in the middle of nowhere, but that doesn’t help the accessibility issues either.
No, I want it opposite, more like how baseball and basketball/hockey is, more urban with public parking (obviously, golf needs space, I get that). Both Jupiter and West Palm have free public parking, but Palm Gardens, in between the two, is basically all private property and the course is in the middle of a huge condo complex AFAIK. Had no problems walking 30-40 minutes from free parking to Torrey Pines and La Costa 20 years ago in the heart of Tiger Mania, and again last year in South Brookline.

I tried talking to the media lot today (only human I could find), exactly that what you said probably exists, just tell me where, but he said $30+ everywhere.

Thanks to let me know my hunch was on.
 

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I can’t speak for other tournaments, but the Travelers in CT had free close up parking where you can walk to course, plus a shuttle if those lots (essential farmland) are full. Also free tix for military, vets, health care worker and kids 15 and below with a paid adult.
Thank you!
 

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OK... I guess? Shrinking fields seems necessary with some top players feeling too much money is going to nobodies. I'm not sure I really care about the cut. I generally don't tune in until the weekend anyway.
 

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Yeah, I think it's fine. It kinda sucks for the Nick Taylor's of the world but at the end of the day nobody is watching a tournament to see Nick Taylor. They are fun stories when the pop up and there's still an avenue for those guys to get into the events, but at the end of the day the product is the star players. Now people are getting them for all 4 days plus the limited field means a shorter TV window.

If you wanted to watch all the stars on Thursday/Friday at the Genesis it's a 10-hour committment. Narrowing that down substantially is a good thing.
 

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I also think it makes sense from the perspective of "If you're going to require us to play these specific events, then you need to make sure you're paying us for them and not just having us show up to something that is required and then getting nothing." Getting rid of the cut accomplishes that.
 

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No because you have to earn your way into these events by performance on the tour.

The only thing this has in common with LIV is no cuts. Other than that it’s completely different.
 

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Yeah, this is nothing close to LIV.

The better comparison is WGC's. The main difference this time is they are going to be established tournaments with history instead of brand new tournaments named after corporate sponsors like the Bridgestone. They basically are making the Arnold Palmer Invitational a WGC.
 

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This is incredibly stupid. Looking back at how fun Phoenix and LA just were, I can't believe how quickly the tour is abandoning this format.

This is an obvious loss for the fans, but I don't even understand how the players, sponsors, and tv partners benefit either. If you want to funnel more money to the top players, the FedEx Cup already exists.

No cut events are flat-out stupid. Think about what happens to the last place player in the no-cut Tour Championship. He runs the course trying to finish in 2.5 hours to catch an early flight. NBC will even show a running clock. It's a joke and a disgrace to what is actually a pretty fun and meaningful competition.

I'm not opposed to smaller fields. No one (except maybe Puma) cares that Rickie Fowler won't qualify for the Masters because he can't crack the top-50 anymore, but the Masters doesn't have Ian Woosnam teeing off at the crack of dawn to start the pairings on Sunday morning.