2024 Dallas Cowboys: All In, or All Over?
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Per Jerruh Dak is going on IR, and they're apparently buying here at the trade deadline in that they're sending a 4th to Carolina for WR Jonathan Mingo and a 7th.
That's not buying, that's just keeping your name in the news. Guy's got one reception in the last month.
When you are grading it on the 4th to let Trey Lance be your emergency 3rd QB for a season scale the return seems light since Mingo might be active in DAL. He will probably contribute about as much as Trey Lance.
The list of RBs that went after the pick DAL used on Trey Lance includes Bucky Irving, Ray Davis, Tracy Jr.
The list of RBs that went after the pick DAL used on Trey Lance includes Bucky Irving, Ray Davis, Tracy Jr.
Agreed. I’d hate that deal as a Cowboys fan. Mingo isn’t very good and the team is going nowhere this year.
Great trade for Panthers.
LOL at the sun discussion
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No idea if BB would be interested but it would make a whole lot of sense. There is some talent on this team and they desperately need discipline and toughness.
And Jerry might be desperate enough to cave to whatever financial demands BB would have. He already did it with Dak, CeeDee, etc.
BB is ultimately a student of the game. He knows that Dallas is a premier franchise despite their lack of success this century. I would be stunned if he wasn't interested. But as you say, the talent is there, and what they need is in BB's wheelhouse. JJ should be working on the offer as soon as the season ends.
I would expect those demands would be less financial than personnel in nature. Jerry has had final say over the Cowboys roster forever – but he just might be desperate enough to concede them for a guy who could get him a ring during his twilight years. If so, get yer damn popcorn ready because a Jerruh-Bill standoff would be glorious required viewing and make the Parcells years in Dallas look like a walk in the park by comparison.
Yup. This simply has to happen. The entertainment value would be off the charts.
I would say it all hinges on whether he thinks Dak is a guy he can go to a Super Bowl with. His own window is likely pretty short, and I don’t think he’s the guy for any kind long term rebuild anymore. He’s obviously forgotten more about football than I’ll ever know, but I’d be very wary of inheriting Dak. I think he’s pedestrian, and very overrated.
Jerry cares more about running things his way than he does winning; more precisely, he thinks him and his son running football ops gives the team their best chance to win. He’s not handing anybody personnel authority.
If the reporting is to be believed, though, Bill wasn’t insisting on personnel authority in Atlanta, so this may not be a dealbreaker for a BB-to-Dallas scenario. Then it comes down to whether Jerry wants a persona like Bill’s as coach; bringing in the GOAT coach is necessarily gonna encroach on Jerry’s currently unchallenged influence and prominence among non-players. He did it with Parcells twenty years ago - does he want that experience again? I dunno.
If the reporting is to be believed, though, Bill wasn’t insisting on personnel authority in Atlanta, so this may not be a dealbreaker for a BB-to-Dallas scenario. Then it comes down to whether Jerry wants a persona like Bill’s as coach; bringing in the GOAT coach is necessarily gonna encroach on Jerry’s currently unchallenged influence and prominence among non-players. He did it with Parcells twenty years ago - does he want that experience again? I dunno.
I think Bill cares less about whether Dak can win him a SB at this point and more about whether he can help him get 13 more career wins before he retires or is fired.
Really does make sense for both parties. QB in place. Star WR. Parsons. Diggs. Last place or 2nd to last place schedule. Top 10 pick. Certainly some holes to plug but this is a team that could be good quickly.
Is Jerry now desperate enough? Does BB want this? Would he want to go back to Giants for nostalgia?
I'd hope a guy looking for a good team's season and a half's worth of wins wouldn't want to start with Danny Dimes or Rookie TBD behind center.
Agreed. But it’s also worth noting that BB has raved about Dak almost every time he talks about him. I think he views him as a very competent QB at the very least and perhaps someone who can take them very far if the rest of the team can play ball.
Dallas lacks a toughness that is always essential in playoff teams that make a deep run. The biggest issue exposed this season has been a complete lack of quality depth. Dallas has very good front line talent but their depth is just awful…especially along the Dline this year but even Oline is thinner than in the past and relying on a lot of rookies/2nd year players. You can get away with it when you stay fairly healthy like the last couple years but the injuries this year sunk them. They were also thinner this year than even last year.
I think BB could be an incredible asset to the team provided they shore up a bit of the depth issues this offseason. Jerrah isn’t getting any younger and I truly do think he wants to make one last “go for it” run. We don’t know for sure but part of me thinks the reason he didn’t go crazy this offseason was he knew he’d have a new coach next season and it would be an easier sell to a new coach if they had a lot of input into talent acquisition with a decent budget to play with.
But we’ll see. Jerrah wants to win but he’s also a crazy old man. So you never know what he’s thinking for sure. He’s swallowed some of his pride in the past when things went off the rails…ala hiring Parcells in 2003 after the disastrous 2000-2002 Dave Campo years.
In typical Cowboys fashion they've made a real conundrum out of things as they keep winning games when they now can't make the playoffs and hurting their draft stock. I think you probably have to bring McCarthy and Zimmer back at this point too as the team obviously hasn't packed it in and the defense has gotten a physical edge to it we haven't seen in a long time. Special mention to Jourdan Lewis who has been balling all year and had a ridiculous INT last night.
They need to fix the depth issue on the Dline and they need another WR.
Lewis has been one of the few bright spots this year. Also big kudos to CeeDee who has been playing injured for weeks but still getting it done.
They also need to get a long term deal done with Parsons this offseason. It’s amazing how when he’s on the field, a huge play can happen at any moment. He took TB out of field goal range in that 4th Q drive last night with that strip sack and fumble out of bounds.
I don't really have any other suggestion but I'd be hard pressed to want McCarthy back if I were a Cowboy fan. The guy came into the season on a lame duck contract and seemingly needed to reach the NFCC to justify his job, then failed miserably and was eliminated from the playoffs by week 16. Sure it's great that that players play hard and yeah injuries and all, but this does not seem to be the guy to lead this franchise back to the Super Bowl. And if you are going to bring him back you'd need to give him what, a 3-5 year contract?
I agree they should lock up Parsons. Seems like a no brainer, but this is Jerry we're dealing with here. Is he under contract for next season?
I agree they should lock up Parsons. Seems like a no brainer, but this is Jerry we're dealing with here. Is he under contract for next season?
He’s under the fifth year option for next year at about a $25M fully guaranteed salary.
If the Dak and Lamb negotiations are predictive, Jerry will string it along and get taken to the cleaners by Parsons.
I heard on the Athletic pod that all Dallas coaches are on year to year contracts, so he'd just be re-upped for another year. And while I get why fans would want them to look elsewhere, if they finish 9-8/8-9 without having their QB for most of the season, that's going to be hard to justify. McCarthy has taken a team to a Super Bowl, while nobody knows if any of the "hot assistants", including the latest "girl with a curl" Ben Johnson, can even handle the top spot. If the Cowboys let him go, some team will hire Mike McCarthy, that's for certain.
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They wouldn't bring in any of the hot assistants regardless besides Kellen Moore. The other two people interviewed would be Deion Sanders and Jason Witten, and I think McCarthy is better than any of those three.
Maybe but Deion coaching the Cowboys would be one of the most fun things the NFL has seen in years and that’s ultimately all that matters…
I don’t understand the year to year thing. McCarthy signed a five year contract in 2020 that expires after the season. There’s not much chance he signs a one year deal, so if they’re going to go with him, I think it would have to be a multi your contract. Were they saying something different on the podcast?
Maybe I misheard them, but that was my understanding. They did talk about how Jerry is very patient with his HCs, citing all the chances Jason Garrett got. Maybe they were talking about his assistants?
It was the pod Robert Mays did a couple of weeks ago with Conor Orr of SI about the coaching carousel.
Re-sign the big players to big contracts. Sign BB to run the team. Go way deeper into the playoffs. Had your shot, Jerruh. You blew it.
I would have loved to see BB coach this team with a healthy defense. They have some legit stars on defense (Parsons, Diggs, Bland, and Marshawn Kneeland is looking like a steal) but the injury to Overshown was devastating. Overshown was looking like a legit all-pro in the making this year and now he may miss most of 2025 too. Hard not to feel for the guy after he missed his rookie season in 2023 too.
The case for bringing back McCarthy is basically this:
1. Dak is your QB for the next 4 seasons and he had his best season(s) under McCarthy and specifically his best season when McCarthy took over the offense in 2023.
2. McCarthy has proven he gets them to the playoffs every year when he has his QB healthy. 49-33 record with the Cowboys. Can’t win the hardware if you don’t make the dance.
3. Lack of alternative options. (Aka BB, Harbaugh, etc). Last offseason was prob the time to make the change if you were going to do it in the next 2-3 seasons. But you never know, maybe another big name shows up on the radar.
That said, I’m open to trying someone new. I’m not necessarily advocating hard for McCarthy. I’m just laying out that there is a defensible case for bringing him back.
The case for bringing back McCarthy is basically this:
1. Dak is your QB for the next 4 seasons and he had his best season(s) under McCarthy and specifically his best season when McCarthy took over the offense in 2023.
2. McCarthy has proven he gets them to the playoffs every year when he has his QB healthy. 49-33 record with the Cowboys. Can’t win the hardware if you don’t make the dance.
3. Lack of alternative options. (Aka BB, Harbaugh, etc). Last offseason was prob the time to make the change if you were going to do it in the next 2-3 seasons. But you never know, maybe another big name shows up on the radar.
That said, I’m open to trying someone new. I’m not necessarily advocating hard for McCarthy. I’m just laying out that there is a defensible case for bringing him back.
Yesterday Jerry said he’s fine with McCarthy interviewing with other teams, then today there’s a report that the Bears want to interview him and are waiting for permission to do so.
Does Dallas want him back? If so what’s the hold up? If not, who’s up next?
Does Dallas want him back? If so what’s the hold up? If not, who’s up next?
As I've said elsewhere 'round these parts, the Cowboys are not winning another SB while JerryJ is alive.
And while Deion would fit in one sense (there is no such thing as bad publicity), there is no way that JerryJ will hire someone who is even remotely likely to get as much air time as he is.
And while Deion would fit in one sense (there is no such thing as bad publicity), there is no way that JerryJ will hire someone who is even remotely likely to get as much air time as he is.
If he doesn't try to poach BB from his new UNC gig, Jerruh deserves every non-Super Bowl season he has coming to him. These NFL-ers are morons, especially those whose talent is CLOSE to elite. BB with that roster would have a shot at delivering one more Lombardi for Jerry, but the egomaniac JJ just won't do it.