2024 Jets: Out of the Darkness - Take 2

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Well, he escaped the pocket just fine against the Patriots and shredded them. Maybe that's not saying much, but he looked pretty good in that game to me.
A lot of that was because the Patriots edge rushers were undisciplined and pinched inside giving him open lanes to get outside the pocket.

I think Rodgers looks OK throwing the ball - the arm is still there. The passing offense as a whole is not very efficient though, they are 21st in success rate throwing the ball. A lot of that is on him because he's stubborn and forced Hackett into the buidling and has refused to use motion much or run play action to make life easier.
 

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Having two target hoovers like Wilson and Adams together should be interesting in terms of personality dynamics, especially since Rodgers will feed Adams as much as he can.
 

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Now on every play he should have a slot with a favorable matchup and a guy on the backside with a 1:1 he can take if he likes and who will probably be on the same page with him. I love this move for the Jets. I think you’re about to see them start stringing together some wins.
 

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I guess the natural conclusion to draw from Adams in, Williams out is that the last INT last night was Mike Williams running the wrong route... really looked like a Rodgers big underthrow to me.
 

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Now on every play he should have a slot with a favorable matchup and a guy on the backside with a 1:1 he can take if he likes and who will probably be on the same page with him. I love this move for the Jets. I think you’re about to see them start stringing together some wins.
I think this is entirely dependent on them figuring out the interior D line issue. I actually think Saleh would have had that figured out, and now it's up in the air if they can fix it.

If they get run on like last night, no amount of receivers will make up for it.

That said, for a 3rd? It's a good trade.
 

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The Jets were two Bellhorns off the uprights and/or a perfect defensive play by the Bills on the perfect throw to Wilson in the end zone from winning that game. They looked pretty good.I am rooting for zero more wins but I see seven in their future.
 

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The Jets were two Bellhorns off the uprights and/or a perfect defensive play by the Bills on the perfect throw to Wilson in the end zone from winning that game. They looked pretty good.I am rooting for zero more wins but I see seven in their future.
A 33 and a 43 yard field goal, too. Not even long ones. Zurlein really fucked the Jets hard yesterday.
 

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The Jets were two Bellhorns off the uprights and/or a perfect defensive play by the Bills on the perfect throw to Wilson in the end zone from winning that game. They looked pretty good.I am rooting for zero more wins but I see seven in their future.
Works both ways. The Jets needed a Hail Mary to stay in it and Buffalo's kicker missed a FG and XP too.
 

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Works both ways. The Jets needed a Hail Mary to stay in it and Buffalo's kicker missed a FG and XP too.
There has rarely been a game with as little information gathered as last night. Penalties, Hail Marys, missed kicks etc. My team has never been great against the run playing this wide 9 stuff but now we are in crisis mode with it. That’s my key takeaway.
 

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Jets need to go what, 8-3 to have a good shot to make the playoffs? Right now it doesn't feel like their run D + offensive line + kicker could produce that result, but hey, they have exciting skill players
 

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Jets need to go what, 8-3 to have a good shot to make the playoffs? Right now it doesn't feel like their run D + offensive line + kicker could produce that result, but hey, they have exciting skill players
Works fine with 2021 Rodgers. The rest of the roster is enough to get there if he somehow reverts to that guy. But 40 year old post Achilles Rodgers isn't looking too hot, and in that case the rest of the roster issues are going to be exposed.

The upgrade from Williams to Adams should help a bit, but not sure that alone will turn back the clock. People should realize these 40 year old + qbs arent all going to age like TB12.
 

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Jets need to go what, 8-3 to have a good shot to make the playoffs? Right now it doesn't feel like their run D + offensive line + kicker could produce that result, but hey, they have exciting skill players
Maybe 7-4. The AFC looks kinda lousy. KC, Baltimore, Buffalo are probably locks to win their division.

I think Cincy gets their shit together (they have a pretty easy schedule) and will be the proverbial team nobody wants to play. That leaves 2 spots between the Jets, Pittsburgh, Chargers, Miami, Denver, Indy. There is a whole lot of garbage in there.
 

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Trading for Adams is pretty close to a necessary move for the Jets. They’re already all in on a pretty narrow Rodgers window, a third rounder is pretty recoverable and you can dream on a Moss-like resurgence from a post-Raiders premier WR. If it doesn’t work out, they have the pieces to restock some of their lost draft capital and hasten the cap recovery.
 

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Jets need to go what, 8-3 to have a good shot to make the playoffs? Right now it doesn't feel like their run D + offensive line + kicker could produce that result, but hey, they have exciting skill players
10-7 probably gets it. 10-7 with one of the 10 against Buffalo might even make the division in play. Bills have Chiefs, Lions, Niners, Jets again so winning the division in play but an outside shot.

It’s going to be tough with this inability to stop the run.
 

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I probably worded that poorly. I meant he would likely become more efficient on a per route basis with Adams becoming the receiving workhorse and the central focus of the passing game.
Right--in addition to the usual X/Y/Slot WR positions, in a Rodgers offense there's another one called Binky and Adams is a big upgrade from Lazard there.
 

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The Jets were two Bellhorns off the uprights and/or a perfect defensive play by the Bills on the perfect throw to Wilson in the end zone from winning that game. They looked pretty good.I am rooting for zero more wins but I see seven in their future.
They were also a hail mary and a weak RTP call away from losing by three scores.
Works both ways. The Jets needed a Hail Mary to stay in it and Buffalo's kicker missed a FG and XP too.
Can't argue that.
 

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Having two target hoovers like Wilson and Adams together should be interesting in terms of personality dynamics, especially since Rodgers will feed Adams as much as he can.
Aaron is apparently mad his receiver didn’t make his throw look 20 yards short. If he was throwing for a vert that is a crazy underthrow lol.
View: https://twitter.com/savagesports_/status/1846172684163379493?s=46&t=11SXTvIYT-tl8b6e7iEUVQ
I guess the natural conclusion to draw from Adams in, Williams out is that the last INT last night was Mike Williams running the wrong route... really looked like a Rodgers big underthrow to me.
He is really just such a pure dick. The positive for the Jets is, even if not as good as he has been, Adams is still very very good. Combine that addition with a soft schedule, and it's hard to see the Jets not getting to 10 wins.

The negative is per the posts above the chances of a lot of internal conflict are high. Wilson has plenty of prima donna in him and am guessing he'll be pissed when he's ignored in favor of Adams. And Williams has already gotta be hella pissed at AR for throwing him under the bus. Add in all the coaching changes, AR being a nut case, and an OL that is not protecting as well as their reputations say they should be, and...hopefully still some hope for a Jets collapse. All the more if AR is injured, and lord knows he already seems quite immobile.

Rooting interests aside, I'm guessing they sneak into the playoffs and lose in their first round.
 

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Rooting interests aside, I'm guessing they sneak into the playoffs and lose in their first round.
It's the NFL so this is a foolish excersise but here goes Mike & The Mad Dog style:

@Pittsburgh - W
@New England - W
vsHouston - L
@Arizona - W
vs Indianapolis - W

BYE WEEK

vs Seattle - W
@Miami - L (assuming Tua is back)
@ jacksonville - W
vs Rams - W
@Buffalo - L
vs Miami - W

So I have them finishing 10-7. Interesting... but obviously with right to revise if Adams falls into the Springfield Mystery Hole next week.
 
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It's the NFL so this is a foolish excersise but here goes Mike & The Mad Dog style:

@Pittsburgh - W
@New England - W
vsHouston - L
@Arizona - W
vs Indianapolis - W

BYE WEEK

vs Seattle - W
@Miami - L (assuming Tua is back)
@ jacksonville - W
vs Rams - W
@Buffalo - L
vs Miami - W

So I have them finishing 10-7. Interesting... but obviously with right to revise if Adams falls into the Springfield Mystery Hole next week.
I like our chances vs a softer-the-people-think Houston over this upcoming game in Pitt i'd guess we lose. Probably makes more sense to chalk that Seattle game down as an L too.

I'll repeat what I been saying pre-trade one more time just for the record. When bringing in Adams still doesn't solve the problem of having a capably good QB routinely being hindered by a poorly coached and below average execution offense.... the Garrett Wilson being unhappy drama will be the biggest storyline to come out of this.
 

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I like our chances vs a softer-the-people-think Houston over this upcoming game in Pitt i'd guess we lose. Probably makes more sense to chalk that Seattle game down as an L too.

I'll repeat what I been saying pre-trade one more time just for the record. When bringing in Adams still doesn't solve the problem of having a capably good QB routinely being hindered by a poorly coached and below average execution offense.... the Garrett Wilson being unhappy drama will be the biggest storyline to come out of this.
Definitely possible. Still, could just be my bias, but after watching the ghost of Russell Wilson lose to the hideous Zappe / Zeke Elliott Pats last year, I wouldn't bet a single cent on him beating a solid defense in the Jets.

And yeah, a lot of coin flip games on the schedule: @ AZ // vs SEA // @ MIA
 

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On the broadcast last night they said Lazard led the NFL in drops, I just looked something else up. He also leads the NFL in receiving TDs (tied with 5).
 

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I like our chances vs a softer-the-people-think Houston over this upcoming game in Pitt i'd guess we lose. Probably makes more sense to chalk that Seattle game down as an L too.

I'll repeat what I been saying pre-trade one more time just for the record. When bringing in Adams still doesn't solve the problem of having a capably good QB routinely being hindered by a poorly coached and below average execution offense.... the Garrett Wilson being unhappy drama will be the biggest storyline to come out of this.
Seattle can't stop a 3rd string offense right now.
 

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Seattle can't stop a 3rd string offense right now.
Which is basically what the Jets' below average and terribly inconsistent offense typically has ended up looking like more drives then not. Or which is at least more in line with what that Seattle defense saw their first 3 games of the season. Since then the Giants game was a little rough on them, but there is really no damning shame in getting lit up by Detroit or SF.

Seattle doesn't seem to have any real consistency issues with putting points on the board regardless though, and that alone imo generally makes them a bad matchup for us. Just kinda sticks out to me on the schedule as the type of non-regular game and matchup we typically always lose 30-7.

That late season matchup with the Rams might be another one if they get healthier too.
 

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The thread title is already perfect (kudos), but I have to say an interview with Woody that results in the headline: Woody Johnson:…”Thinking Is Overrated “ is just the perfect epitaph for that douchey owner and descriptor of how the organization is run.

https://www.nytimes.com/athletic/5846096/2024/10/15/jets-davante-adams-trade-woody-johnson-comments/?source=user_shared_articleWoody Johnson saw a chance to salvage the Jets’ season, and took it: ‘Thinking is overrated’
When compared to being born rich, thinking certainly is overrated.
 

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Definitely possible. Still, could just be my bias, but after watching the ghost of Russell Wilson lose to the hideous Zappe / Zeke Elliott Pats last year, I wouldn't bet a single cent on him beating a solid defense in the Jets.

And yeah, a lot of coin flip games on the schedule: @ AZ // vs SEA // @ MIA
I actually don't see this upcoming game against the Steelers as a must win either. Mostly as a concession that it was a game we should have always been expected to lose to begin with.

It's the 4 weeks following that which can potentially give us the boost we'll need. Those should all be winnable games and again including Houston.

If we can get to the bye with 6 wins in the bag and with those 2 games against a floundering Miami team (I think their massive offensive drop off runs a lot deeper then just losing Tua) still on deck we'll be in pretty good shape imo. 5 wins a lot less so, but still not completely out of it as again none of this is playing out in a "x amount of wins gets you in" vacuum. AFC is soft this year imo. 9 wins with some outside breaks going your way, in a parity driven back end field that likely clusterfucks itself around the 8-9 win mark, might be enough for the last spot.

Of course that freaking Denver loss might seriously haunt us that picture tho.
 

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Didn't Polk have 9 last week alone, or did it just seem like that?
It definitely seems like that. Polk may have been a continuation of the BB style overeach, but it's not like we have much room to talk with Corley basically being a complete waste pick our dummy offense/OC was never going to be able to properly utilize.

This is one of those 50/50 feelings times for me on Haason. It'll be good and help to have him in there but man on a principle level....F that guy. A long term extension hopefully never materializes either.
 

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did he... he got to take 6 weeks off and might end up making the same or more money. Didn't get exactly what he wanted, but still got some concessions while also not having to show up to work for 3 months.
no, he wanted a long term deal. That was the problem down 95 in the first place.