2024 SoSH NFL MVP

2024 NFL MVP


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DJnVa

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This is who YOU would vote for. The list below is the top 8 at one of the betting sites.

I'd do a ROY one, but it won't be close.
 

Sandy Leon Trotsky

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I flipped an Allen/Jackson coin. Not Allen Jackson, that overrated turd, you fool!!!! . but the football players Josh Allen and Lamar Jackson type of coin. 50/50. It came up Lamar.
 

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I went with Lamar because I believe is numbers are just better. That said, Allen may win because the voters think it's close enough and Jackson has already won 2 and Allen is yet to win one.
 
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To me it's a two-man race between Lamar and Allen. I went with Allen b/c I think he has a bit less help. But either will make a great and deserving league MVP.
 

snowmanny

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I flipped an Allen/Jackson coin. Not Allen Jackson, that overrated turd, you fool!!!! . but the football players Josh Allen and Lamar Jackson type of coin. 50/50. It came up Lamar.
Alan Jackson is overrated? I suppose that’s a take.
Anyway, I’ll vote Allen for balance.
 

BaseballJones

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Allen has been amazing this year. But Lamar's numbers are far better.

Lamar Jackson: 300-442 (67.9%), 3,955 yds, 8.9 y/a, 39 td, 4 int, 121.6 rating, 130 rushes, 852 yds, 4 td (Bal is 11-5)
Josh Allen: 307-483 (63.6%), 3,731 yds, 7.7 y/a, 28 td, 6 int, 101.4 rating, 102 rushes, 531 yds, 12 td (Buf is 13-3)

So Jackson has accounted for 4,807 yds and 43 td, while Allen has accounted for 4,262 yds and 40 td. Lamar's passer rating is far superior, he's turned the ball over less, and on a yards-per-play basis, he's been much better than Allen.
 

Ale Xander

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Allen has been amazing this year. But Lamar's numbers are far better.

Lamar Jackson: 300-442 (67.9%), 3,955 yds, 8.9 y/a, 39 td, 4 int, 121.6 rating, 130 rushes, 852 yds, 4 td (Bal is 11-5)
Josh Allen: 307-483 (63.6%), 3,731 yds, 7.7 y/a, 28 td, 6 int, 101.4 rating, 102 rushes, 531 yds, 12 td (Buf is 13-3)

So Jackson has accounted for 4,807 yds and 43 td, while Allen has accounted for 4,262 yds and 40 td. Lamar's passer rating is far superior, he's turned the ball over less, and on a yards-per-play basis, he's been much better than Allen.
It’s Most Valuable Player not Most Outstanding Player
 

Garshaparra

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Burrow turned around his team, and Allen has persevered with injuries, but Jackson has been truly amazing throughout the year. I'd give him MVP, and Barkley the Offensive Player of the Year. Darnold is obviously getting CBPotY.
 

AlNipper49

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Have you looked at Allen's receiving corps this year? It's...not very good.

Josh Allen easily IMHO.
Yeah, he lost most of his receiving brigade while at the same time Lamar got Henry to help diffuse the focus on him. Both are having great years but Allen has done way more with considerably less.
 

Jungleland

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I think it has to be Jackson having outdone Allen in the major statistical categories. Honestly, I don’t think the supporting cast is of different enough caliber to make that argument. Henry is amazing, but Cook is no slouch and when you take Henry out of the equation the Ravens skill players are pretty ordinary.

It pains me to say it as both a giant fan of Allen and as someone expecting Lamar to hand KC a Super Bowl berth on a silver platter, but the numbers don’t lie. It’s 1) Jackson 2) Allen 3) Barkley for me, but I think you can more easily make a case for Barkley over either QB than you can for Allen over Jackson.
 

Mystic Merlin

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I think it has to be Jackson having outdone Allen in the major statistical categories. Honestly, I don’t think the supporting cast is of different enough caliber to make that argument. Henry is amazing, but Cook is no slouch and when you take Henry out of the equation the Ravens skill players are pretty ordinary.

It pains me to say it as both a giant fan of Allen and as someone expecting Lamar to hand KC a Super Bowl berth on a silver platter, but the numbers don’t lie. It’s 1) Jackson 2) Allen 3) Barkley for me, but I think you can more easily make a case for Barkley over either QB than you can for Allen over Jackson.
Some have underrated Buffalo’s supporting cast despite what those guys have actually put on film. This may have been informed by people not watching them closely and/or an incorrect sentiment that their only weapon for the last 5 years was Stefon Diggs.
 

Jungleland

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Some have underrated Buffalo’s supporting cast despite what those guys have actually put on film. This may have been informed by people not watching them closely and/or an incorrect sentiment that their only weapon for the last 5 years was Stefon Diggs.
Yup. Cook really leveled up this year, Shakir plays better than his stats (though he was miserable in the Pats game, to be fair), and as critical as I was of Coleman early in the year he’s played well in the second half when healthy. Cooper and Kincaid have been disappointing but obviously there’s talent there. It’s not a world beating group but this isn’t Allen dragging Reche Caldwell to the AFC championship either.
 

Mystic Merlin

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Yup. Cook really leveled up this year, Shakir plays better than his stats (though he was miserable in the Pats game, to be fair), and as critical as I was of Coleman early in the year he’s played well in the second half when healthy. Cooper and Kincaid have been disappointing but obviously there’s talent there. It’s not a world beating group but this isn’t Allen dragging Reche Caldwell to the AFC championship either.
Right. The OL - which is seldom discussed in awards debates - is a good, tough group, too.
 

BaseballJones

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Yeah, he lost most of his receiving brigade while at the same time Lamar got Henry to help diffuse the focus on him. Both are having great years but Allen has done way more with considerably less.
Well Allen may have done with less, but he hasn’t done more than Lamar.
 

Justthetippett

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The only way Allen wins is if the voters have some fatigue with Jackson and some doubts about his postseason success (even though that's immaterial to this award). The stats were closer a few weeks ago, but now they are clearly in Jackson's favor and his team is peaking at the right time (on national TV no less).
 
As someone who hasn't been quite as impressed with Josh Allen in the past as the consensus viewer (this is his 7th season in the NFL, it'll only be second time he's had a passer rating above 97), I've been blown away by how good he's been this year. Absolutely MVP worthy.

Joe Burrow too. No quibbles with anyone who thinks he's been the best, factoring everything in.

But Lamar has been extraordinary and captivating to watch and he gets my vote.
 

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I'd rather have Allen in a must-win game, but I can't ignore Lamar's production and he gets my vote. My philosophy has always been numbers > narrative, so I am going to be consistent here. But realistically the Allen narrative will be tough to overcome, and it won't be an outrage or anything if he wins.
 

Toe Nash

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Allen has been amazing this year. But Lamar's numbers are far better.

Lamar Jackson: 300-442 (67.9%), 3,955 yds, 8.9 y/a, 39 td, 4 int, 121.6 rating, 130 rushes, 852 yds, 4 td (Bal is 11-5)
Josh Allen: 307-483 (63.6%), 3,731 yds, 7.7 y/a, 28 td, 6 int, 101.4 rating, 102 rushes, 531 yds, 12 td (Buf is 13-3)

So Jackson has accounted for 4,807 yds and 43 td, while Allen has accounted for 4,262 yds and 40 td. Lamar's passer rating is far superior, he's turned the ball over less, and on a yards-per-play basis, he's been much better than Allen.
Two additions:
-Allen has 5 fumbles with 4 lost, and Jackson has 10 fumbles with 5 lost. I think from watching his games that a few of Jackson's recovered fumbles were on poor snaps where he just picked it back up quickly, while most of Allen'sfumbles were when he was carrying the ball on a run. But a tiny edge to Allen here
-Allen has just 14 sacks for 63 lost yards and a sack % of 2.82, which is excellent. Jackson has 24 sacks for 149 lost yards and a sack % of 4.95, which is also very good. I would guess that both players are sacked more often than other QBs on 3rd and long when they are scrambling around trying to make things happen, so these sacks are probably not especially harmful to win percentage, but worth noting.
 

BaseballJones

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Neither guy has really done it in the playoffs.

Allen: 5-5 record, 244-378 (64.5%), 2,723 yds, 7.2 y/a, 21 td, 4 int, 100.0 rating, 83 rushes, 563 yds, 6.8 y/a, 5 td, 2 fumbles lost
* only one AFCCG appearance (lost 38-24 to KC)
* zero Super Bowl appearances

Jackson: 2-4 record, 112-195 (57.4%), 1,324 yds, 6.8 y/a, 6 td, 6 int, 75.7 rating, 73 rushes, 521 yds, 7.1 y/a, 3 td, 3 fumbles lost
* only one AFCCG appearance (lost 17-10 to KC)
* zero Super Bowl appearances


So clearly Allen has been far, far better in the playoffs than Lamar has, but neither guy has even once gotten past the AFCCG, and in 12 combined seasons (not counting this year of course), they've only been to the AFCCG twice. As good as these guys have been, they've been major disappointments in the playoffs.

Keep in mind that Tom Brady once went to eight straight AFCCGs, and Mahomes is currently on a streak of six straight AFCCG appearances.
 

Toe Nash

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Allen has been really good in the playoffs, particularly the last three. It's not his fault that 13 seconds happened for example. In no way was he a disappointment.

Jackson hasn't been as good but 4 of those games were in his first three seasons when he wasn't as developed of a passer and in one game he got hurt, plus the team strategy of not running the ball last year vs KC was perplexing.
 

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I think this is only a debate because Lamar already won 2 MVPs and there is some element of fatigue with him due to his playoff failures.

I'd give it to Lamar. The guy has had a monster season. I try to avoid comparing supporting casts between Lamar and Allen because both have a strong enough supporting casts to be winning their divisions. If we want to go down that rabbit hole then just give it to Burrow since he's had to overcome a dreadful defense to accomplish anything.
 

BaseballJones

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Allen has been really good in the playoffs, particularly the last three. It's not his fault that 13 seconds happened for example. In no way was he a disappointment.

Jackson hasn't been as good but 4 of those games were in his first three seasons when he wasn't as developed of a passer and in one game he got hurt, plus the team strategy of not running the ball last year vs KC was perplexing.
I hear you on Allen. Per your last point on Jackson (last year's KC game), I mean, that's a strike against Lamar. They put the game in his hands and he failed miserably. Yes they should have run more. It was mind-boggling that they didn't. KC was weak against the run, Baltimore was the league's best rushing team, and they barely ran at all. Insane. And yet they were saying, ok Lamar, you're the man, this is on you. And he came up empty.
 

Toe Nash

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I hear you on Allen. Per your last point on Jackson (last year's KC game), I mean, that's a strike against Lamar. They put the game in his hands and he failed miserably. Yes they should have run more. It was mind-boggling that they didn't. KC was weak against the run, Baltimore was the league's best rushing team, and they barely ran at all. Insane. And yet they were saying, ok Lamar, you're the man, this is on you. And he came up empty.
Well, I disagree, but you presented both of their stat lines and I gave context. We don't have a lot of sample size with Lamar in the playoffs and his worst game other than his first two years has an asterisk. It's not like he told Harbaugh he was going to quit if they handed the ball off more than 10 times. He was put in a tough position with a poor gameplan and that has an outsized influence on his overall line.

I'm not sure why you even brought up the playoffs since the MVP is not based on playoff performance anyway.
 

BaseballJones

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Well, I disagree, but you presented both of their stat lines and I gave context. We don't have a lot of sample size with Lamar in the playoffs and his worst game other than his first two years has an asterisk. It's not like he told Harbaugh he was going to quit if they handed the ball off more than 10 times. He was put in a tough position with a poor gameplan and that has an outsized influence on his overall line.

I'm not sure why you even brought up the playoffs since the MVP is not based on playoff performance anyway.
I brought all this up because snowmanny said, "And all of this is separate from who is the best quarterback, of course." And I thought this was relevant to THAT. But I wasn't really clear about it, so that's on me.
 

snowmanny

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Neither guy has really done it in the playoffs.

Allen: 5-5 record, 244-378 (64.5%), 2,723 yds, 7.2 y/a, 21 td, 4 int, 100.0 rating, 83 rushes, 563 yds, 6.8 y/a, 5 td, 2 fumbles lost
* only one AFCCG appearance (lost 38-24 to KC)
* zero Super Bowl appearances

Jackson: 2-4 record, 112-195 (57.4%), 1,324 yds, 6.8 y/a, 6 td, 6 int, 75.7 rating, 73 rushes, 521 yds, 7.1 y/a, 3 td, 3 fumbles lost
* only one AFCCG appearance (lost 17-10 to KC)
* zero Super Bowl appearances


So clearly Allen has been far, far better in the playoffs than Lamar has, but neither guy has even once gotten past the AFCCG, and in 12 combined seasons (not counting this year of course), they've only been to the AFCCG twice. As good as these guys have been, they've been major disappointments in the playoffs.

Keep in mind that Tom Brady once went to eight straight AFCCGs, and Mahomes is currently on a streak of six straight AFCCG appearances.
Well, yeah. But the playoffs aren’t part of this equation. And I would say narrative is always part of an MVP discussion, since the award is not named “Outstanding Numbers Award” or “Outstanding Player Award.”

As you allude to, I’d take Mahomes over either of these guys for the next month. He took quarters off all season but produced at the end of games and his team ended up 15-1.
 

BaseballJones

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Well, yeah. But the playoffs aren’t part of this equation. And I would say narrative is always part of an MVP discussion, since the award is not named “Outstanding Numbers Award” or “Outstanding Player Award.”
I know. I was clumsy in communicating this, but I brought this info up in response to you saying, "And all of this is separate from who is the best quarterback, of course." Because playoff performance is part of who is actually the better QB.

As you allude to, I’d take Mahomes over either of these guys for the next month. He took quarters off all season but produced at the end of games and his team ended up 15-1.
Yep.
 

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View: https://twitter.com/lanceupperpi/status/1885460568665903522?s=46&t=iVUy6a-RBQ94gq90zGfH6Q


Many of us over at PolyMarket have been investigating, trying to figure out what this guy’s motivation is. Huge value on Lamar if this guy knows nothing. It’s definitely not certain he’s an insider. PolyMarket has a lot of rich fucks who throw money on dumb shit.
Posssible, but also Allen has been the Vegas line favorite for months, may just be someone who wants to bet Allen and Polymarket gets him better return than Vegas.

The last lines I saw for Allen were -250 and -450 depending on book. 57% is much better for an Allen bettor (also Polymarket is still open, I think MVP gets pulled at books once votes are in).
 

djbayko

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Posssible, but also Allen has been the Vegas line favorite for months, may just be someone who wants to bet Allen and Polymarket gets him better return than Vegas.
Try betting this anywhere other than PolyMarket right now. Allen WAS the favorite…until Lamar won 1st team all pro and all of the sportsbooks took the line down. He subsequently also won PFWA MVP. Lots of voter overlap and extremely strong correlation between those and AP MVP. If it weren’t for this one dude, Lamar’s price in Vegas or anywhere would be north of 90 cents. This one bettor is driving the market. But all things come to an end eventually.

Note: Okay, you can bet this at Betfair, but it’s very illiquid and mirrors PolyMarket price due to arbers.
 

streeter88

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Has anybody gathered the picks for tonight's show?

FWIW, here are my picks / hopes:
MVP hoping it's Allen.
OPOY Saquon.
DPOY Watt, but oddsmakers say it's Surtain.
OROY Jayden Daniels
DROY Verse
Comeback Darnold (but soft spot for Damar). Oddsmakers say Burrow, but I don't get that because he's always good whereas Darnold was literally nowhere last year.
Coach KOC
 

mauf

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Last year, Dak had the best statistical season, but Lamar won MVP based on team performance and his performance in big (regular-season) games. This year, Lamar had the stats, but Allen had the team success and big-game performances. I don’t know if the voters got it right, but they’re consistent.