2024 WS: Yankees vs. Dodgers

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I adore this.

work in Manhattan today is going to be glorious.
People in my office were getting excited. The blowout style of G4 brought in some hope. And I’m sure it was increased even more with the way G5 started.

There’s no way to avoid it. This was a nut punch loss. Win G5 and all the pressure shifts to LA and you’re 2 wins away from erasing your own 3-0 failure history.

And it all slipped away because Gerrit Cole didn’t feel like covering 1st, Judge forgot how to catch, and Volpe botched another play. Just absolutely tremendous stuff.
 

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Thank Christ. The Yankees make history again… to quote the Daily News and the New York Post’s sport page headlines from 20 years ago: “The Choke’s On Us”.

Oh yeah, fuck you Capobiancho.

Happy YED!!
 

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Well I was wrong - completely - about Mookie. The guy fought like hell this October.
 

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Just re-watched the highlights of the 5th inning. My god. They looked like my over 40 men’s baseball team out there. Beautiful.

Today… today is gonna be a great fucking day.
 

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What percentage of Yankee fans were completely convinced that this was headed back to LA when it was 5-0? A full 100%? How many Red Sox fans here were convinced it was going back to LA? -raises hand-

Glorious outcome.
 

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What percentage of Yankee fans were completely convinced that this was headed back to LA when it was 5-0? A full 100%? How many Red Sox fans here were convinced it was going back to LA? -raises hand-

Glorious outcome.
That’s what makes this so great. They were ready to give up before G4. It brought them back in. The hot start even more so. You lose in G6 or G7, oh well, you fought back.

But they choked in such hilarious fashion that it stings so much more. That 5th inning was one for the ages.
 

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Everyone should be eviscerating Cole for assuming Rizzo can beat out Mookie on a very soft grounder. Even when you're sure he can beat it out, you sprint over there and then let up if the 1B gets it. That was just absurd stupidity.
Mookie....grounder to first....what could possibly go wrong?
 

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I'm thinking about the first inning where Davis loved how after inducing what was the inning ending fly out Cole walked toward the dugout with his eyes down like a cool action hero walking away from an explosion behind them before the out had been made. Don't assume that the play is going to be made for you, Gerrit. Especially on slow rollers to first.
 

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Am I the only one thinking that Rizzo still could have gotten to 1B before Mookie with just a little more effort???? Totally on Cole for not covering but that would have been an awkward toss that close. It was "hit" right in a real awkward spot where a toss would still have been close and almost too close to just say, "yeah, easy out at first if Cole covered"
 

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In two Cole games, the only earned runs allowed by the Yankees in innings 1-9 were four sacrifice flies.

The Yankees went 0-2.
 

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Am I the only one thinking that Rizzo still could have gotten to 1B before Mookie with just a little more effort???? Totally on Cole for not covering but that would have been an awkward toss that close. It was "hit" right in a real awkward spot where a toss would still have been close and almost too close to just say, "yeah, easy out at first if Cole covered"
It might be close, but they get Mookie if Cole covers. Rizzo alone has no chance to get Mookie.
 

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Am I the only one thinking that Rizzo still could have gotten to 1B before Mookie with just a little more effort???? Totally on Cole for not covering but that would have been an awkward toss that close. It was "hit" right in a real awkward spot where a toss would still have been close and almost too close to just say, "yeah, easy out at first if Cole covered"
Rizzo said in postgame there was so much spin on the ball (and it did knuckle back a bit) he was uncomfortable charging the ball.

Cole meanwhile claimed he took a bad angle and couldn’t get over once he did that - but I don’t agree at all with that BS when watching the replay, I don’t see any unusual angle there
 

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This may be recency bias, but you know, this may be my favorite non-Boston title, surpassing Peyton losing to Brees
This tops it all in terms of Yankee postseason failures. Just when they were believing a comeback was possible they blew a 5 run lead in the most mind numbingly stupid ways possible with their ace on the mound. Then they got the lead back only to blow it again.

$5 billion in payroll for no titles.
 

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Rizzo said in postgame there was so much spin on the ball (and it did knuckle back a bit) he was uncomfortable charging the ball.

Cole meanwhile claimed he took a bad angle and couldn’t get over once he did that - but I don’t agree at all with that BS when watching the replay, I don’t see any unusual angle there
It did look like the ball spun a little back toward second as Rizzo was picking it up, stopping him from moving toward first. I think Cole was the only one who could cover first at that point.
 

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Cole meanwhile claimed he took a bad angle and couldn’t get over once he did that - but I don’t agree at all with that BS when watching the replay, I don’t see any unusual angle there
I think he was just saying he was kind of charging the ball, incorrectly thinking it was a swinging bunt, instead of running towards first to cover. By the time he knew he was wrong, he would have lost a footrace with Betts - at least in his telling.

Obviously just a horrible, inexcusable misjudge, but I do recall on watching it that he was not initially running towards first, but almost towards the Yankee dugout.

For whatever reason, Rizzo also did not notice Cole's strange path, and just went into hang back and play it safe mode.
 

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I think he was just saying he was kind of charging the ball, incorrectly thinking it was a swinging bunt, instead of running towards first to cover. By the time he knew he was wrong, he would have lost a footrace with Betts - at least in his telling.

Obviously just a horrible, inexcusable misjudge, but I do recall on watching it that he was not initially running towards first, but almost towards the Yankee dugout.
Yeah, he looked like a SP who thought it was an easy play for Rizzo to make on his own, as if the ball was an easy pop up. Just a very weird play. I honestly think he just got his wires crossed temporarily.
 

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Your season is on the line; even if you take a bad initial angle and even if you think you'll lose the footrace, you still give it all you've got to try and make the play.
 

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Cole’s first move is pretty much right to 1st though.

I do feel bad for Judge - he actually hit well and “showed up” - but then the pressure / trying to do too much / whatever October Judge is manifested on defense, and fans are again back to invalidating everything he’s done.
 

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From the New York Post article, "World Series debacle shows everything wrong with Aaron Judge-era Yankees" comparing Rizzo/Cole to Buckner:

(bold, mine, what I loved in the article)

From the first day of spring training to the last, nothing is more common in each camp than pitcher’s fielding practice.

Day after day. The routine. The monotony. And within all the various permutations of these drills, none is more practiced than ground ball to first, pitcher gets over to cover. It is designed to make sure the most basic of plays is executed correctly.

So fittingly, it executed these 2024 Yankees — perhaps the most technically unsound team to ever get this far.

In a slapstick fifth inning in which the Yankees played all their greatest hits — or, more familiarly, errors —
they still would have survived had Anthony Rizzo and Gerrit Cole completed a Baseball 101 play. But in the worst World Series blunder at first since perhaps the ball going by Billy Buckner, both made mistakes of omission.
[...]
The Yankees lost the first game of the World Series and the last game of the 2024 MLB season because they are bad at baseball. In those two games, they handed away outs and 90 extra feet like the kindest Santa in the world. They did not lack talent as much as technique — and that only cost them history.
This makes me so happy!
 

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Cole did the exact same thing in the first inning on Mookie's other weak grounder -- point to first for Rizzo.
 

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Cole’s first move is pretty much right to 1st though.

I do feel bad for Judge - he actually hit well and “showed up” - but then the pressure / trying to do too much / whatever October Judge is manifested on defense, and fans are again back to invalidating everything he’s done.
It's not Judge's fault the Yankees are still playing him in CF. He really should be RF at this point.

That lineup core of Judge, Soto, and Stanton comes with the need to plug at least two of them in the outfield, none of them can play CF adequately anymore, and two of them are bad to truly awful defensively. The roster construction had a fatal defensive flaw and it finally killed them in the WS. Awesome stuff!
 

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Cole did the exact same thing in the first inning on Mookie's other weak grounder -- point to first for Rizzo.
Those grounders were not comparable. On the first one, Rizzo was right near the bag. On the second one, Rizzo was far enough away that Cole HAS TO get over there for them to have a chance to retire Mookie.
 

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Those grounders were not comparable. On the first one, Rizzo was right near the bag. On the second one, Rizzo was far enough away that Cole HAS TO get over there for them to have a chance to retire Mookie.
In both cases though, the ball was maybe only 5-6 feet wide of first. Rizzo was coming from slightly further away on the 2nd one, but he still took a backward/sideways angle on it and moved casually, presumably because the spin was worse. His urgency level kind of looked like fielding practice in between innings. He didn't have to be as far as he was (and he still might have beaten Betts if he noticed what was going on on fielding the ball).

Cole played both of them badly, and Rizzo played the second one much more passively and gave himself less options.
 

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Trying to figure out how to post my videos of sad Yankee fans filing out of the Toilet. [Any ideas, please share.]

Meantime, please enjoy a couple shots of the dejected throng, looking forward to a long wait and crowded ride home on the subway.
 

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sox75

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Cole did the exact same thing in the first inning on Mookie's other weak grounder -- point to first for Rizzo.
I LOVE how Mookie doesn't give up and hustles his ass down the line. That's how you win a WS!

(*sigh* -and- fuck Henry for letting him go)
 

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Obviously, the SP had to run to cover first and keep running until his services were no longer needed. That’s the bottom line. I think Mookie still would be safe if that did happen (YMMV) but then it’s just bad luck on the ball spin if Mookie is safe, not a bonehead play.
 
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CoffeeNerdness

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On the play he wasn't needed he ran to first. When he had to get there he stood and pointed.

Capobianco put more effort into wrestling the ball out of Mookie's glove than Cole did covering first.