2024 WS: Yankees vs. Dodgers
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We're going to have to revisit that "Do you read posts" thread again, aren't we
And for more than just one poster in this thread
That's awesome. I wish someone was able to do the one of him holding back Cole that was mentioned up thread
Dodgers fans (and Yankee haters) are likely working as we sit here. I bet you get it!
I vividly remember Ortiz. And the look on Matheny's eyes when a reporter asked him his thoughts on Ortiz possibly being the MVP of the WS even if the Sox do not win it.
And even more so for the speech he gave in the dugout between innings in St. Louis.
But in a 5-6 game series, counting stats may have a bigger impact.
Nah, it's Papi, that was beyond video game numbers. Not even with cheat codes.
Absolutely. He may play well, but I root for him to fail. Miserably. Like his 2018 K to end the seires in every AB.
On a personal note, I lost my mother in law to Cancer 2 weeks ago. In momemnts like these baseball helps and watching the Yankees lose more so (the Freeman GS was on Shabat so I was told about it, missed it live). Sadly, my wife is not a fan so I still have to find other ways to help her, other than just being there for her, which I am.
Bitterwseet moment when my daughter gets married on Dec 1 (and no we don not postpone Jewish weddings, it is not done).
I actually thought Cole pitched a hell of a game last night. They needed an ace performance and they got one from him. Was he perfect? No, obviously. And that brain fart on the Mookie grounder was inexcusable. But from a pitching standpoint, guy was incredible. Two Yankee errors plus two strikeouts prior to the Mookie grounder meant that he really "got" four outs in that inning. The Ks of Lux and Ohtani when the bases were loaded with zero and then one out, were amazing. And he induced the weakest contact imaginable from Mookie.
And then after that inning, during which he threw 38 pitches (most of them very high-stress), knowing that the Yankees needed a bridge to the later innings, he stepped back on the mound and got LA 1-2-3 in the sixth, and then got the first two outs of the 7th before turning it over to Holmes.
And then after that inning, during which he threw 38 pitches (most of them very high-stress), knowing that the Yankees needed a bridge to the later innings, he stepped back on the mound and got LA 1-2-3 in the sixth, and then got the first two outs of the 7th before turning it over to Holmes.
Actually 5 outs because the Yankees gave two easy outs away (one was his fault). Not sure if I count the Torres throw as an ssumed out, but if so that is 6.
The fact that he should have gotten out of the inning with a K, K and weak grounder to Lux, Ohtani, and Betts after loading the bases through no fault of his own is remarkable.
That was gutsy. And the Dodgers also had 0 hits until the 5th inning.
Game 6 would have been a noghtmare.
Cole DID pitch well. After the brain fart not covering first, he pitched well to Freeman. It was a case of a great hitter fighting off a tough pitch. The thing to ding him on was the next at-bat. He had Teoscar Hernandez 1-2 and caught too much of the plate with a cutter then Teo was able to hit 400 feet.
She's a friend of mine, and let's just say she seems upset a lot of the time including some times when she isn't.
The more Yankees fans think about this game, the more incredulous they’ll be that they lost. 5-0 lead with Cole cruising.
At that time, the betting odds were like -1000 or bet $1,000 to win $100. It was over and Judge had redeemed himself while Cole was pitching yet another gem.
And then those errors came out of nowhere. But even after all that, they still got the lead, and had momentum again. Just a total gut punch of a loss.
You need somewhere for Teoscar Soto and 4/5 Ohtani to play. And they’ll all worse defenders than Judge
Mookie is best in RF even if you can theoretically move him to MiF or CF
They just need SP to be healthy not to add Soto
Mookie is best in RF even if you can theoretically move him to MiF or CF
They just need SP to be healthy not to add Soto
What does Passan know? He covers basketball.
I would love to see the Matheny press conference (he’s another asshole).
The best part of that Ortiz dugout speech was Pedroia being asked breathlessly about it after the fact and Pedey replying, “Yeah, honestly, I couldn’t understand a word David was saying.”
I haven't read all 72 pages, so apologies if this is a repeat question, but does Boone get fired at this point based on the long list of defensive/mental mistakes in this series? Rightly or wrongly, those types of errors are often attributed to poor preparation.
Does anyone have a more punchable face than Cole? Looks wise, he's the Tucker Carlson of MLB.
Full agreement. While the announcers were praising his poise, I felt like he was slowly sliding into his characteristic slouched shoulders/pout, which was probably inevitable as things melted down around him.
A few years old, but this is great. Freddie Freeman seeing a kid dressed as Freddie Freeman on Halloween.
View: https://twitter.com/MLB/status/1852079985042899377
View: https://twitter.com/MLB/status/1852079985042899377
Some of the posters on this site are pissed off all the time, even when their team wins the championship.
I'm not a Verdugo fan but I don't hate him. This version of the Yankees didn't have that many players that triggered that hate, including Cole, but I find it easy to root against him. Really, beyond the involuntary genetic component, it is the beyond shitty behavior of the fans that makes me hate the Yankees the most the days.
I mean, seriously, Wendell Pierce tells it like it is (notably, he is a Yankee fan and was wearing a NYY hat):
"Unfortunately I just left the Yankees game because I was talking to a Dodgers fan and people were throwing things at me. Unruly, obnoxious people can ruin everything. The worst experience ever. The game and experience is of no significance now. The spirit of sports ends with the ugliness of humanity."
https://x.com/WendellPierce/status/1851813328164663693
"Unfortunately I just left the Yankees game because I was talking to a Dodgers fan and people were throwing things at me. Unruly, obnoxious people can ruin everything. The worst experience ever. The game and experience is of no significance now. The spirit of sports ends with the ugliness of humanity."
https://x.com/WendellPierce/status/1851813328164663693
To paraphrase Yaz after toughing it out playing with a painful neck injury, "It's easier to hit when you can see the damn pitcher."
Me as well. Felt a little dejected knowing the pressure would now shift to the Dodgers and even if the yanks lost game 6, the loss would be damped by the fact they forced the series back west. I was elated when i checked my phone this morning and saw the outcome and quickly jumped on YT to watch the glorious 5th inning meltdown.
Cole is a real odd duck. Does anyone else remember after the Astros lost the 2019 Series he basically went into the locker room and took off his Astros hat and was like "I don't work for them anymore" and "I'm a free agent now"? Something like that. I'll also never forget JD Martinez's story caught on the hot mic at the ASG. The Sox contingent was sitting on the bus and Cole got on and JDM gave him a smile and a "whats up, man?" and Cole scowled and stomped by them in a huff. I almost wonder if he gets a little too amped in big games and that like "I'm not sweating anything" bit is a way to keep himself even-keeled?
Did anyone hang around for the ARod/ Ortiz/ Jeter desk interviews? Apologies if this already got mentioned but the Roberts one was... awkward. Roberts, bless him, said some stuff about how no one thought they'd get out of the DS, how the team used that for motivation--y'know, standard modern sports stuff. Rodriguez (I can't recall exactly what was said) I think ribbed him about it, they then got back to the boilerplate stuff on a normal track though Roberts was giving ARod this wry smile the whole time. They wrap it up and Jeter says "I just have one more question actually. Having been through the 0-3 experience and coming back, when they took Game 4 and you went down 5-0 tonight, did you start to worry? Were you starting to feel it?" And Roberts laughed and said "You know, I remember that, being down 0-3 20 years ago and looking across the diamond, and this guy," he points to Arod, "is waving his arms around having a great old time and I thought you know what? Let's not do that! Let's not let that happen!" Poor Alex's pained smile was killing me, and Ortiz almost died laughing.
Did anyone hang around for the ARod/ Ortiz/ Jeter desk interviews? Apologies if this already got mentioned but the Roberts one was... awkward. Roberts, bless him, said some stuff about how no one thought they'd get out of the DS, how the team used that for motivation--y'know, standard modern sports stuff. Rodriguez (I can't recall exactly what was said) I think ribbed him about it, they then got back to the boilerplate stuff on a normal track though Roberts was giving ARod this wry smile the whole time. They wrap it up and Jeter says "I just have one more question actually. Having been through the 0-3 experience and coming back, when they took Game 4 and you went down 5-0 tonight, did you start to worry? Were you starting to feel it?" And Roberts laughed and said "You know, I remember that, being down 0-3 20 years ago and looking across the diamond, and this guy," he points to Arod, "is waving his arms around having a great old time and I thought you know what? Let's not do that! Let's not let that happen!" Poor Alex's pained smile was killing me, and Ortiz almost died laughing.
River Ryan looking really good, Gavin Stone was great, Grove was ok, even Wroblieski--somehow Bobby Miller's the one that just could not get himself going. Stone getting hurt was when I started to worry about them getting anything going in the playoffs--that was a gut punch, he'd been so reliable, and the live arm count was quite low at that point already. Lost in a lot of this was Buehler stepping up like he did. He had the one dud against SD but he was looking quite cooked at the end of the year and to see him give them quality starts when they had almost literally no one else to go to was fun. And closing the whole thing out!
Michael Kay reported that in the post-game dugout, surrounded by the sad faces of his teammates, when asked if he was inclined to remain a Yankee, Soto replied that all 30 teams have an equal chance. He is an unsentimental Boras client. Those of you who dream of him as a Red Sock are, you should pardon the expression, NUTS. I don't want him, because he is an underwhelming out-fielder, but even if I did, the Sox are not paying one player that much. He already turned down $450 million from the Nats.
I'm not sure why teams wouldn't do vision testing for all their players at the start of every spring. That seems like seriously low hanging fruit.
Wasn't here yesterday, but I've just read through all the posts here starting in the 5th inning. Delicious!
And I haven't seen it posted here even though every one was thinking it...still only one team to come back from 3-0.
(If the Yankees hadn't totally choked this one away I would have been legit concerned about that happening...such a relief!)
And I haven't seen it posted here even though every one was thinking it...still only one team to come back from 3-0.
(If the Yankees hadn't totally choked this one away I would have been legit concerned about that happening...such a relief!)
Just watched the whole replay (was partially busy last night). I can’t remember more choke plays in one inning by a team than those of the Yanks in the fifth. First, Judge really thought that Kiké might be far enough off 1B that he could double him up? So he took his eye off the ball and muffed one most 10-12 YO little leaguers catch. Catch the ball and you have one out and a man on first with a 5-0 lead and Cole still cruising. No big deal. Instead, first and second and no outs. Then, Volpe yanks a ball into the ground he practically could have lobbed to Jazz for an out. Mookie’s cue shot grounder to first, well, enough has been said.
Yanks obviously playing tighter than a drum. Manager’s fault? Steinbrenner the shipbuilder would have fired Boone by now.
Yanks obviously playing tighter than a drum. Manager’s fault? Steinbrenner the shipbuilder would have fired Boone by now.
Hear, hear! What a disgrace...
This is something I was getting into with @Brand Name before the Series began. Like @BaseballJones said, one of the reasons the Yankees got this far at all is that they played two AL Central teams in the ALDS and ALCS, and those guys swung at everything. Meanwhile the Dodgers, relatively, barely swung at anything outside the zone and the Yankees (again, relatively) barely swung at all:
Indications from...where? Personally I'd call it something like 75% LAD, 20% SDP, 5% anywhere else.
Yes I've seen some speculation along those lines from @beautokyo and others and I guess, who knows, it's possible. All the young pitchers in the country and especially the ones who played with him on last year's WBC team idolize Darvish for his career, his willingness to help teach the younger guys, and his outspokenness on a variety of issues they all face. The Padres are a strong possibility. That said if Darvish is like their cool big brother, Ohtani is basically their god.
I don't think anyone can say anything with certainty at this point, including even if he will in fact be posted. I expect it, but opinions are mixed there too.
It's mind-blowing, what pants-wetters they are about the whole captain thing.
grow up ffs.
Joel Sherman today: https://nypost.com/2024/10/31/sports/yankees-world-series-failure-started-with-fundamental-issues/
Easy to see over a series. Sherman absolutely nails it here. Yanks can bluster their way through enough 8-3 wins over the Blue Jays and A's to qualify for every post-season, but they don't have the mentality to take hold of the game and kill it off, one well-executed play at a time.
Heard a Mets fan busting a Yankee fan's balls today, saying that the Mets put up a better fight against the Dodgers. No argument was forthcoming from the poor fellow.
Yeah, was just reading that. Dodgers had this series well scouted. Playoff games are often won on the margins.
Cole seems like the Dollar Store version of Roger Clemens. Both are big, burly, highly paid, really good starting pitchers (Roger was better) who seem to have some makeup issues (Roger was worse at that) who keep coming up small in big games, especially with the Yankees.
Gee that's too bad.
1000% agree
"People ask me what I do in winter when there's no baseball. I'll tell you what I do. I stare out the window and wait for spring." - Rogers Hornsby
My wife took down our "We interrupt this marriage to bring you baseball season" sign today too...sigh
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Well, one of the five times the Cardinals got him out was this play:
View: https://youtu.be/dg3mMGHnocc?feature=shared
If Beltran doesn't make a heckuva play on that ball, add another homer, another run, three more RBI, and bump up the slash stats. Needless to say, I'm always taking Ortiz here.
As for the World Series: I thoroughly enjoyed being able to embrace the Local 9 out here in L.A. and be a big-time Dodger fan for a week of Yankee butt-whipping. I didn't see many of the games live, because I had some long-standing plans to see concerts coming through town. A couple of stories that may or may not be interesting:
Last Saturday, during game 2, I was at the Forum to see Jeff Lynne's ELO. Right before the opening act, Rooney, comes out on stage, I'm monitoring the gameday while others around me are streaming the TV broadcast on their phones...and the Yankees have scored a run in the 9th and are threatening to load the bases. Opening act comes out, singer is wearing a Dodger t-shirt...they start playing some songs. I'm in full concert etiquette mode and put the phone away...but partway through the first song, a few people further down in my section jump up and start dancing around...and not to the song. I can see they are decked out in full Dodger blue, so I presume it's good news. After a few songs in quick succession (they did good work as the opening act...not a lot of chatter, got down to business, all that stuff), the singer says hello and then: "when we came out it was the 9th and the Yankees were rallying. I'm dying up here -- please tell me the Dodgers won." And the crowd affirmatively roared in response. He then said he had worn the same shirt on stage the night before for game 1, and he'd be wearing it for every game in the Series to secure a victory. Assuming he kept to his word, the shirt batted .800 this World Series.
And Wednesday night, I was at the Hollywood Bowl to see David Gilmour. Similarly, people around me were streaming the game before the show started and I was Gamedaying. It had been 5-0 when I got on the shuttle bus from my local park-and-ride lot; thanks to traffic and to Yankee bumbling, it was tied when we arrived at the Bowl. The pre-concert spiel about "don't spend the whole show filming, be in the moment, enjoy the experience" did include a "we understand if you want to take a couple pictures or a quick video or need to check the Dodger score." At that point, when everyone around me put their phone away, it was 6-5. When the first set ended and the intermission began, the phones came back out...and it was 7-6 in the bottom of the 9th, and Austin Wells was about to see strike 3. So the whole Bowl got to cheer a minute later when Verdugo whiffed...and then cheer again when it was acknowledged from the stage by a "go Dodgers!" during the final bows.
(I say "the whole Bowl," but I have seen multiple people posting reviews of the concert who were complaining about dumb sports being on people's mind instead of the music. For the ones who had people cranking the game broadcast during the concert, I get the frustration. But unless they are hidden Yankee fans, I can't see complaining about fandoms colliding. But maybe that's just me being happy to see the Yankees lose. DAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA YANKEES LOSE!)
Yes. Impressive. %10000000 better than the usual "old man yelling at clouds"-type fundamentals excoriation.
As for Chisholm, his failures were the failures of a guy who never played 3B before. (That doesn't excuse Sherman's point in any way shape or form).