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My WR1 from this draft for the Patriots is Luther Burden and it's not particularly close. He gets separation, has speed, playmaking, etc... I like him way better than Tet McMillan, especially if we're able to get Tee Higgins, to whom Tet would seem redunant.
 

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Assuming we are able to add a WR in FA or trade (along the likes of Higgins, Metcalf, or at worst Godwin) here's what I would do. Sort of love these 4 pick

Note, I didn't do trades for this one.

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Getting an elite CB who you can bring in for a dozen or so offensive plays a game, plus 2 high level tackles, plus a RB who would start on day 1, would be a great 3 rounds.

Note- id also want to be signing a tackle in FA so if BOTH of these hit, slide one to G, otherwise you have some margin
 
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Passed on Carter/Graham and traded back with NO for 17 and 40, allowing me to go all in on the OL. Sign Tee Higgins and let's get this rebuild rebuilt.

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Looks like it was 4 for 9 and 40 and then 9 for 17 and 49
Yeah, I think you're right. I couldn't remember how exactly I moved around.

I've not been picky when I trade back. I'd want more than 9/40 for 4 in real life, but I'm not wasting time trying to get teams to give up futures 1sts, etc, in a mock draft. Just taking what I can get to stay around the top 15 to get someone like Simmons.
 

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Passed on Carter/Graham and traded back with NO for 17 and 40, allowing me to go all in on the OL. Sign Tee Higgins and let's get this rebuild rebuilt.

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My guess is that none of your first 4 picks are going to be available at the slots you have them.
(as an example Brugler's mock today... Simmons at 10, Ersery 33, Jackson at 28, Mike Green at 27)
 

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Let's see if I can get @Jimbodandy to drunk hump something...

Rules I set for myself:
  • As long as both Abdul Carter and Mason Graham were on the board I would keep trading down 2-3 spots until one was taken; then I'd take the other
  • With whatever extra picks I got I'd trade back into the mid-teens to take Josh Simmons
  • After that I only took players if they had fallen significantly lower than their consensus value
  • All other times I traded out, and tried to get higher-round picks in future drafts if I could
  • At no time was I allowed to trade up, or send out more picks than I was receiving. Trades were only allowed to create more bites at the apple, not fewer.

The results:


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Also ended up with:
  • 2026 Jet 1st round pick
  • 2026 Jets 3rd round pick
  • Four extra 2026 6th and 7th round picks ( ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ )
 

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I think someone else suggested this earlier, but it would be possible to get a thread for media sourced mock drafts (Dane Brugler, Matt Miller, Mel Kiper, etc) and another for the user mock drafts like PFN?
 

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Luke Easterling published a 3 round mock where he has the Pats taking…
1st round; Tet McMillan (makes the comparison to Mike Evans, which seems pretty apt from my POV)
2nd round: Cameron Williams
3rd round: Denzel Burke
 

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I would drunken hump that draft.

Not sure that I'd spend 40 on a guard, but I get it. Ticked a lot of important boxes.
It was one of the first mocks I've done where I've gone OL with my first 3 picks, but I like how it worked out. I've typically been going OT, Edge, WR and then grabbing an interior lineman, and those are pretty nice too. I guess when you've got holes all over the roster, it's pretty easy to tick off important boxes
 

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It was one of the first mocks I've done where I've gone OL with my first 3 picks, but I like how it worked out. I've typically been going OT, Edge, WR and then grabbing an interior lineman, and those are pretty nice too. I guess when you've got holes all over the roster, it's pretty easy to tick off important boxes
FWIW, I'm hoping that the FO attacks the most glaring problems with a combination of FA and draft. They've done such a poor job of the former in the last couple of offseasons that I too have been wishcasting magic fixes via the draft, but hopefully it's sinking in now. If they ever listened to or watched the broadcast feeds and not just the 22 film, they'll hear the color guys talking about how the OL pass blocks like they hate Drake Maye. It's obvious to us, but the TV guys spent the whole year asking out loud WTF the Pats are doing on the OL. It'd be hard not to see.
 

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Luke Easterling published a 3 round mock where he has the Pats taking…
1st round; Tet McMillan (makes the comparison to Mike Evans, which seems pretty apt from my POV)
2nd round: Cameron Williams
3rd round: Denzel Burke
Looking at the Mike Evans comp gets me thinking....it must be insanely difficult to evaluate WRs and know if they're actually going to be good in the NFL. Like, here we have a tall, slowish (by NFL burner standards, a 4.53 in the 40) WR in Evans, who put up excellent numbers at pass-happy Texas A&M. Good at high-pointing the ball, excellent hands, but how good was he, really?

Turns out, pretty freaking amazing.

Then you have N'Keal Harry, a tall, slowish by NFL burner standards, a 4.53 in the 40) WR, who put up excellent numbers at Arizona State. Good at high pointing the ball, excellent hands, big, strong, tough.

And he sucked in the NFL.

How on earth are these scouts supposed to really know who will translate into being a quality NFL receiver?
 

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Looking at the Mike Evans comp gets me thinking....it must be insanely difficult to evaluate WRs and know if they're actually going to be good in the NFL. Like, here we have a tall, slowish (by NFL burner standards, a 4.53 in the 40) WR in Evans, who put up excellent numbers at pass-happy Texas A&M. Good at high-pointing the ball, excellent hands, but how good was he, really?

Turns out, pretty freaking amazing.

Then you have N'Keal Harry, a tall, slowish by NFL burner standards, a 4.53 in the 40) WR, who put up excellent numbers at Arizona State. Good at high pointing the ball, excellent hands, big, strong, tough.

And he sucked in the NFL.

How on earth are these scouts supposed to really know who will translate into being a quality NFL receiver?
Seems like they throw all the info into a blender and it spits something out...but they are wrong half the time (or more). I would imagine scouts have their favorite traits that they believe will translate. RAS, route running, contested catch %...whatever. But it is quite the inexact science. Maybe ask Deion Branch. That's the guy that stands out to me as someone who "got it" right away and got the most out of his physical ability.
 

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John, it's tough. It's really tough.

Some guys start out as bad route runners and improve to good ones. Brandon Aiyuk was a bad route runner. Now he is one of the top 10 X's by route running in the NFL. Harry wasn't a good route runner and never improved. He couldn't even learn the playbook.

It's a crapshoot. It's always going to be a crapshoot.

Even for RBs it can be a crapshoot. CEH and Zach Moss both had excellent vision in zone running schemes in college. When they got to the NFL they didn't have the same vision. When the speed of the game increases some guys flounder! Some guys don't.

I could go through every position and talk about a zillion skills that did or did not develop and why for different prospects. There are some things you can do to prevent you from making mistakes in the draft but it is hard to have more than a 5% edge vs the average drafter. That's just how this works. Super Nomario's book covers a lot of this FWIW.
 

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John, it's tough. It's really tough.

Some guys start out as bad route runners and improve to good ones. Brandon Aiyuk was a bad route runner. Now he is one of the top 10 X's by route running in the NFL. Harry wasn't a good route runner and never improved. He couldn't even learn the playbook.

It's a crapshoot. It's always going to be a crapshoot.
Ain't that the truth. I guess it makes sense, in that you're a) making predictions about the future (ask meteorologists and stock traders how easy that is), and b) unlike evaluating the NASDAQ or the atmosphere, you're making those predictions about individual human beings.

Anyway, I've decided to view the past few seasons of draft pick misses as the comeuppance for 20 years benefitting from the greatest draft pick in pro sports history at pick #199 in the 2000 Draft.

(Not to mention some pretty, preettty, preeeettttaayyyyyy good draft picks in the 1st & 2nd rounds in 2001, 1st round in 2004, the 7th round in 2009, the 1st and 2nd rounds in 2010...)
 

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Ain't that the truth. I guess it makes sense, in that you're a) making predictions about the future (ask meteorologists and stock traders how easy that is), and b) unlike evaluating the NASDAQ or the atmosphere, you're making those predictions about individual human beings.

Anyway, I've decided to view the past few seasons of draft pick misses as the comeuppance for 20 years benefitting from the greatest draft pick in pro sports history at pick #199 in the 2000 Draft.

(Not to mention some pretty, preettty, preeeettttaayyyyyy good draft picks in the 1st & 2nd rounds in 2001, 1st round in 2004, the 7th round in 2009, the 1st and 2nd rounds in 2010...)
Speaking of... look at last years draft for example. Guys like Jermaine Burton and Jerome Baker had better tape than where they got drafted. Both guys have coachability and character issues.

Some guys have all the talent in the world but can't get their shit together for whatever reason. As an outside person looking in I can't grade a guy based on that stuff because what the hell do I know and how do I even make a judgment call there? Same for medicals. I can just go by what I see on tape and from the all-star circuit, combine, and pro-days. Now, obviously, the NFL decision makers have access to that stuff but that's another factor to why folks bust.

Sometimes a guy with back issues but excellent tape becomes Gronk... and sometimes you get Caleb Farley. Or, Titans specific... sometimes you get Jeffrey Simmons and sometimes you get Caleb Farley.

I haven't deep dived on Tet yet. I tend to devalue poor route runners who can't separate.
 

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John, it's tough. It's really tough.

Some guys start out as bad route runners and improve to good ones. Brandon Aiyuk was a bad route runner. Now he is one of the top 10 X's by route running in the NFL. Harry wasn't a good route runner and never improved. He couldn't even learn the playbook.

It's a crapshoot. It's always going to be a crapshoot.

Even for RBs it can be a crapshoot. CEH and Zach Moss both had excellent vision in zone running schemes in college. When they got to the NFL they didn't have the same vision. When the speed of the game increases some guys flounder! Some guys don't.

I could go through every position and talk about a zillion skills that did or did not develop and why for different prospects. There are some things you can do to prevent you from making mistakes in the draft but it is hard to have more than a 5% edge vs the average drafter. That's just how this works. Super Nomario's book covers a lot of this FWIW.
I guess this is why you need to devote many, many picks to the same position, hoping that some of them will pan out.
 

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Seems like they throw all the info into a blender and it spits something out...but they are wrong half the time (or more). I would imagine scouts have their favorite traits that they believe will translate. RAS, route running, contested catch %...whatever. But it is quite the inexact science. Maybe ask Deion Branch. That's the guy that stands out to me as someone who "got it" right away and got the most out of his physical ability.
Yeah it does seem like throwing crap against a wall. And some of it is scheme related. Like player X would be a good player in scheme/system A, but not scheme/system B, but the team that drafts him runs scheme/system B, so the guy ends up sucking and is out of the league in three years, and we'll never know how good he could have been on a different team.
 

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Speaking of... look at last years draft for example. Guys like Jermaine Burton and Jerome Baker had better tape than where they got drafted. Both guys have coachability and character issues.

Some guys have all the talent in the world but can't get their shit together for whatever reason. As an outside person looking in I can't grade a guy based on that stuff because what the hell do I know and how do I even make a judgment call there? Same for medicals. I can just go by what I see on tape and from the all-star circuit, combine, and pro-days. Now, obviously, the NFL decision makers have access to that stuff but that's another factor to why folks bust.

Sometimes a guy with back issues but excellent tape becomes Gronk... and sometimes you get Caleb Farley. Or, Titans specific... sometimes you get Jeffrey Simmons and sometimes you get Caleb Farley.

I haven't deep dived on Tet yet. I tend to devalue poor route runners who can't separate.
Also ties into something that gets discussed a lot (I think we did even more in the NBA forum)... high floor.... it's mostly bullshit. Because often the floor is based on something (3pt shooting, hands for a WR, contested catches, etc.) that just ends up not translating.
 

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I guess this is why you need to devote many, many picks to the same position, hoping that some of them will pan out.
Yes, but let me offer up some caveats.

If you need a left tackle you need to be shopping in the round 1 aisle of the draft supermarket. Edge rusher is similar. IDL is similar.

If you need a guard you can throw round 3 and 4 picks at the problem and have a lot more success finding a starter than vs throwing those same picks at trying to find a left tackle.

You have to know which positions are top heavy and which ones you can find later on.

I don’t want to spend a premium pick on RB or center, for example (like all rules this isn’t absolute - there are definitely exceptions!!)
 

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Also ties into something that gets discussed a lot (I think we did even more in the NBA forum)... high floor.... it's mostly bullshit. Because often the floor is based on something (3pt shooting, hands for a WR, contested catches, etc.) that just ends up not translating.
100%. I’m not a part of that forum. I wish I had time for basketball. I love watching the Celtics in the playoffs but I just don’t have time for more than football.

Floor and ceiling are bullshit concepts. I am trying hard to stay away from them.
You can talk about how someone will translate and when you think they can start, will they be an impact player, etc… just don’t use those terms. Full agree.
 

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Yeah it does seem like throwing crap against a wall. And some of it is scheme related. Like player X would be a good player in scheme/system A, but not scheme/system B, but the team that drafts him runs scheme/system B, so the guy ends up sucking and is out of the league in three years, and we'll never know how good he could have been on a different team.
Reminds me of KVN and Haason Reddick. This is one of the strategies I alluded to up thread about ways you can lose the draft. If your front office and coaching staff aren't aligned you are... well fucked really and not in the good way. Great callout.
 

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Also ties into something that gets discussed a lot (I think we did even more in the NBA forum)... high floor.... it's mostly bullshit. Because often the floor is based on something (3pt shooting, hands for a WR, contested catches, etc.) that just ends up not translating.
That's an interesting point.

I wonder whether the truly "high floor" guys are only available at the top half of the 1st round, where for the most part you can draft guys who have all the physical tools and game tape to make you feel confident they will at least be an average starter in the NFL.

I'm thinking of, maybe, Joe Alt and JC Latham in last year's draft? Based on what I remember reading about them, given their insane size and speed and pedigree it felt like they had a "high floor" where even if they never ended up as Pro Bowlers they would at least be serviceable depth as NFL players barring some horrific injuries.

In which case, to @SMU_Sox's point, there isn't even much use to the term.
 

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Yeah it does seem like throwing crap against a wall. And some of it is scheme related. Like player X would be a good player in scheme/system A, but not scheme/system B, but the team that drafts him runs scheme/system B, so the guy ends up sucking and is out of the league in three years, and we'll never know how good he could have been on a different team.
Also speaks to why teams with a high FO and coaching turnover continue to struggle. Changes of system can happen faster than personnel. Guys get lost in the wash, maybe hit with their third team on their second or third contract (if at all).
 
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I did a fast 4-round mock and got this, which is unrealistic, but which I would take. Not wildly excited, but very happy with.

4. Abdul Carter EDGE Penn State (really hope he makes it to #4)

37. Xavier Restrepo WR Miami (FL) (seems like a riser, love what I've read on him)

68. Emery Jones OT LSU (no idea, top remaining OT)

77. Jack Sawyer EDGE Ohio State (will NEVER fall this far, love him so much)

108. Cam Skattebo RB Arizona State (probably just a GREAT college RB)

Thoughts?
 

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Emery Jones is an IOL, specifically an OG. He will not be an OT at the next level. Jack Sawyer is overrated AF imo. He's a stiff-hipped high motor guy who is medium-high power but also has an age advantage over folks. He's an edge 2 and probably a mid-level one.

I love Carter. I think the draft community hasn't quite caught up to Emery Jones yet - honestly wouldn't shock me if he fell to day 3.
 

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I didn't love what I saw about Restrepo -- based solely on writeups. I didn't follow Miami at all. But this take to me says "not at 37"
https://www.nfldraftbuzz.com/Player/Xavier-Restrepo-WR-Miami


Scouting Report: Weaknesses
  • Lacks the ideal size and strength for an outside receiver, limited to slot roles.
  • Average speed and athleticism, limiting his ability to stretch the field vertically.
  • Struggles to create separation against press coverage from natural man corners.
  • Has a tendency to let the ball get into his body rather than catching with hands.
  • Not a dominant run blocker, struggles to sustain blocks effectively.
Scouting Report: Summary
Xavier Restrepo is a productive slot receiver with a proven track record at the collegiate level. His intelligence, route-running, and ability to make plays after the catch make him a valuable asset in short to intermediate-passing games. However, his size and athletic limitations likely restrict him to a slot-only role in the NFL.
While he may not possess the elite top-end speed or strength to be a consistent deep threat, Restrepo's quickness off the line and reliable hands ensure he can be a dependable target in crucial situations. His awareness and ability to find soft spots in zone defenses are additional assets that enhance his value.
Xavier Restrepo's potential in the NFL will likely hinge on his fit within a system that can maximize his strengths while mitigating his limitations. As a slot receiver in a West Coast or spread offense, he has the tools to contribute effectively and carve out a significant role, particularly on special teams and in specific offensive packages.
 

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@Mugsy’s Walk-Off Bunt what do you like about Sawyer? He has the size, length, and, to a degree, straight line burst you want. I like his motor. I like how he can set an edge! He's decent vs the run. I just don't see him having it as a pass rusher.
 
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I didn't love what I saw about Restrepo -- based solely on writeups. I didn't follow Miami at all. But this take to me says "not at 37"
https://www.nfldraftbuzz.com/Player/Xavier-Restrepo-WR-Miami


Scouting Report: Weaknesses
  • Lacks the ideal size and strength for an outside receiver, limited to slot roles.
  • Average speed and athleticism, limiting his ability to stretch the field vertically.
  • Struggles to create separation against press coverage from natural man corners.
  • Has a tendency to let the ball get into his body rather than catching with hands.
  • Not a dominant run blocker, struggles to sustain blocks effectively.
Scouting Report: Summary
Xavier Restrepo is a productive slot receiver with a proven track record at the collegiate level. His intelligence, route-running, and ability to make plays after the catch make him a valuable asset in short to intermediate-passing games. However, his size and athletic limitations likely restrict him to a slot-only role in the NFL.
While he may not possess the elite top-end speed or strength to be a consistent deep threat, Restrepo's quickness off the line and reliable hands ensure he can be a dependable target in crucial situations. His awareness and ability to find soft spots in zone defenses are additional assets that enhance his value.
Xavier Restrepo's potential in the NFL will likely hinge on his fit within a system that can maximize his strengths while mitigating his limitations. As a slot receiver in a West Coast or spread offense, he has the tools to contribute effectively and carve out a significant role, particularly on special teams and in specific offensive packages.
Thank you to you (and SMU) for weighing in. I value your opinions. What are your general thoughts of the analysis, draft-wise, from Evan Lazar and Alex Barth?
 
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@Mugsy’s Walk-Off Bunt what do you like about Sawyer? He has the size, length, and, to a degree, straight line burst you want. I like his motor. I like how he can set an edge! He's decent vs the run. I just don't see him having it as a pass rusher.
Bear in mind this is coming from a REALLY limited sample-size and totally amateur eyes, but: I like that he makes plays, shows up a lot and does so in big games.
 

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Thank you to you (and SMU) for weighing in. I value your opinions. What are your general thoughts of the analysis, draft-wise, from Evan Lazar and Alex Barth?
I think Lazar's draft takes are pretty bad. Not sure about Barth. Lazar to me is not my cup of tea scouting wise. Lazar thinks Banks is a top 10 guy for example. I think he's more of a late first early 2nd.
 

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the more I read about Carter the less likely I think it is he makes it to 4. Hopefully Ward and Sanders have great combines
 

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Let's see if I can get @Jimbodandy to drunk hump something...

Rules I set for myself:
  • As long as both Abdul Carter and Mason Graham were on the board I would keep trading down 2-3 spots until one was taken; then I'd take the other
  • With whatever extra picks I got I'd trade back into the mid-teens to take Josh Simmons
  • After that I only took players if they had fallen significantly lower than their consensus value
  • All other times I traded out, and tried to get higher-round picks in future drafts if I could
  • At no time was I allowed to trade up, or send out more picks than I was receiving. Trades were only allowed to create more bites at the apple, not fewer.

The results:


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Also ended up with:
  • 2026 Jet 1st round pick
  • 2026 Jets 3rd round pick
  • Four extra 2026 6th and 7th round picks ( ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ )
Sign me up for this strategy right now.
 

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Let's see if I can get @Jimbodandy to drunk hump something...

Rules I set for myself:
  • As long as both Abdul Carter and Mason Graham were on the board I would keep trading down 2-3 spots until one was taken; then I'd take the other
  • With whatever extra picks I got I'd trade back into the mid-teens to take Josh Simmons
  • After that I only took players if they had fallen significantly lower than their consensus value
  • All other times I traded out, and tried to get higher-round picks in future drafts if I could
  • At no time was I allowed to trade up, or send out more picks than I was receiving. Trades were only allowed to create more bites at the apple, not fewer.
Sign me up for this strategy right now.

Took another stab with the same set of rules for what I was and wasn't allowed to do, but loosen up a bit and allowed myself to deal 6th and 7th round picks this year if it got the Pats a higher pick in a future year

Abdul Carter was gone by 3... then I got too cute with trading down and missed out on Mason Graham, too... and by the end might have ended with a great draft anyway...

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That's six guys who could easily start for us, extra 2nd & 5th round picks next year, and one decent developmental project for the offensive line...