He's in the documentary as a talking head.I find it strangely brave that ESPN produced a documentary of the SMU scandal while employing Craig James as an analyst. He can't be happy about it, can he?
He's in the documentary as a talking head.I find it strangely brave that ESPN produced a documentary of the SMU scandal while employing Craig James as an analyst. He can't be happy about it, can he?
However, he blames most of the violations on Mike Leach.He's in the documentary as a talking head.
Hahahaha!However, he blames most of the violations on Mike Leach.
Sounds like Chris Herren is getting his own 30 for 30, at least I think.Taken from 30 for 30 creator Bill Simmons' 11/23/10 ESPN chat "We're spinning off the "30 for 30" series next year into something that will probably be called "30 for 30 Presents" or something like that... we're going to be putting out 4-5 sports docs per year on the level of the best "30 for 30" docs and getting the best filmmakers to do them. Same creative team is involved. We have some terrific ideas in the hopper. So even though the SMU doc will be the 30th one (right after the Heisman ceremony) don't think the spirit of the series is going away."
http://www.projo.com/news/bobkerr/kerr_column_20_02-20-11_47MJEJS_v21.193fdaa.htmlFilmmaker Jonathan Hock stood last week with Chris and Michael Herren on the roof of the downtown building from which Michael broadcasts his online talk shows. They looked out at the mills, the three-deckers, the churches, the Braga Bridge.
“I have been to Havana with Luis Tiant,” said Hock. “And now I have been to Fall River with Chris Herren.”
I’d pay for quotes like that.
Hock is in Fall River as part of the film he is making for ESPN on an athlete too talented not to leave and too deeply stamped by his city not to return.
In his 2009 film on Tiant, Hock went back to Havana with the Red Sox pitcher 46 years after he had left because of Fidel Castro. He called that film “The Lost Son of Havana.”
Now, he is in Fall River, among other places, following with his camera the strange and often dangerous road Chris Herren, 35, has traveled from basketball stardom to addiction to the kind of hometown embrace that Fall River has always held out to its battered legends.
I know , this in perfect time for a potential Duke/Michigan tourney match upJimmy King just called christian Laettner a bitch. This might be my favorite of the EPSN films already...
Jimmy King just called christian Laettner a bitch. This might be my favorite of the EPSN films already...
Laettner made those five bitches his bitches.
What a dynasty the Fab Five were--none in a row. I wonder how many teams managed to win that many championships?
Chris Webber, Howard, Jalen Rose 430 million career earnings - Hurley, Hill, Laettner 208 million. That being said looking back I have no problem with Michigans Fab Five going to 2 Final Fours and one of the most recognizable college instead of being some NCAA champion no one remembers. Not that a championship wouldnt have been great, but what I think the point of the documentary is, sometimes the jounrney getting there can be more meaningful than the actual destination. This was the bball I grew up following and they were a blast to be a fan of.I'd rather have a championship than a 30 for 30.
That being said, I'd rather have Chris Webber's 250 mil than either.
Jalen Rose was the primary producer on this.
It's amazing how much colllege hoops has changed (part of the relevence of this doc). No way Hill and Laettner are still around college for their junior and senior years. Hurley would have been (amazing anyone drafted him). Howard and Webber would ahve been gone after one year, as well
Don't think anyone ever called the Fab Five a "dynasty," and their relevance to the history of college bball and reason for being the subject of this doc wasn't dependent on them winning championships. Or at the very least, winning those two title games.Laettner made those five bitches his bitches.
What a dynasty the Fab Five were--none in a row. I wonder how many teams managed to win that many championships?
I thought it was pretty fair overall. Wish Webber participated, but they did an excellent job.Bumping this thread for the Fab Five. It's an interesting topic, but there is some bad advance reviews. Chris Webber refused to participate and it mostly ignores all the NCAA violations. It did, however, start with pictures of the removed banners rolled up in storage at a U of M basement.
Webber was the only one of the five who was guilty of NCAA violations. Louis Bullock, Robert Traylor and Maurice Taylor came a few years later.Bumping this thread for the Fab Five. It's an interesting topic, but there is some bad advance reviews. Chris Webber refused to participate and it mostly ignores all the NCAA violations. It did, however, start with pictures of the removed banners rolled up in storage at a U of M basement.
UNLV made Hurley shit his pants. Literally. The shots of him running back and forth from the bathroom should have made it into "One Shining Moment" that year but sadly, they missed the cut.And cut out the Duke whining, they clearly gave Duke props for being the better team that season. Want to see an example of freshman folding, look up Hurley's stats in the NCAA tourney when they got stomped by the Runnin Rebels. I'd like to see the therapy bill on the kid for the summer following that tournament.
You forgot the part where Laettner and Thomas Hill regularly engaged in homosexual intercourse with each other.Laettner made those five bitches his bitches.
What a dynasty the Fab Five were--none in a row. I wonder how many teams managed to win that many championships?
Maybe I'm just being dense, but what exactly are you saying here? That it's better to have never won a title than it is to be a two-time NCAA champion and be gay? Where does sexual orientation enter the equation?You forgot the part where Laettner and Thomas Hill regularly engaged in homosexual intercourse with each other.
That's not even talking shit, that's just the truth.
Five super-talented black kids enrolled at a prestigious, white university to play for an inexperienced, piss-poor-at-the-time white coach and, 20 years later, had the audacity to embark on a media tour preaching about black Duke players being Uncle Toms.
Are you kidding me?
It’s ridiculous for Webber to insinuate that Coach K feared the Fab Five were “thugs and killers.”
Coach K probably thought the same thing I thought watching the Fab Five play: They’re immature, arrogant, interested in playing for a coach they could ignore and incapable of putting together the consistent focus and effort necessary to win a conference championship.
Two teams consistently beat the Fab Five — Duke (4-0) and Indiana (4-2). Let me translate that for you: Structured, disciplined, well-coached teams beat Michigan.
I caution my fabulous five friends to avoid stereotyping me and others they do not know in much the same way so many people stereotyped them back then for their appearance and swagger. I wish for you the restoration of the bond that made you friends, brothers and icons.
I am proud of my family. I am proud of my Duke championships and all my Duke teammates. And, I am proud I never lost a game against the Fab Five.
Fwiw, Duke recruited Weber hard, but that kind of makes their point - he was from a two parent home and went to a top prep school. But if you heard the comments on ESPN the next day, they're really not backing off most of that stuff. And calling somebody an "Uncle Tom" is a pretty harsh remark no matter what age.Jesus that's what they thought when they were 18 and weren't sniffed by Duke as some of the top talents in the country. It's so fun to cherry pick comments and twist them without context.
Long winded "scoreboard" retort. Well played, Mr. Hill.Grant Hill, today in the New York Times, on the Fab Five. His conclusion:
Really? This is from Chris Webber's blog the DAY AFTER the Documentary aired. And it's him being reflective, not speaking from his 18 year old self.Jesus that's what they thought when they were 18 and weren't sniffed by Duke as some of the top talents in the country. It's so fun to cherry pick comments and twist them without context.
ow for the "fire" part of my analogy, the reality. It is true during the time Rose was being recruited (91) , players from the Fab 5 weren't heavily recruited from Duke, and they were the top players of the country! Why is that? Is it because Coach K came from that Army/Coach Bob Knight dictatorial, disciplined style of coaching he didn't think was conducive for the Fab-5? Or was it because the Fab-5 were the first of its kind: hip hop listening, baggy shorts-wearing, trash-talking ballers from the urban city? Coach K must've been afraid for his life that these potential malcontents were thugs and killers.
"Uncle Tomish"? Uncle Tom is a term who a black man who behaves subserviently to a white man. If people want to criticize Duke for not taking chances with inner city kids that's fine, knock Duke all you want. But I still think those comments aimed at guys like Hill are way out of line.The black players that Grant Hill mentions in his column (battier, Thoma Hill, etc) were almost all middle-class raised or better, not the inner-city kids. By signaling them out, Hill actually makes Rose's point more salient. The black players on Duke were Uncle Tomish comapred to the kids that went to Michigan. The two gang-bangers I can remember from Duke were Maggette and Avery, both left early and neither was persuaded to stay by K (unlike most evey other player). Was Brand from a bad hood? I don't remember.
This is what Rose said the next day on ESPN. Seeing how he said something similar, at least in my eyes, in the documentary, I guess he isn't backing off or anything.Fwiw, Duke recruited Weber hard, but that kind of makes their point - he was from a two parent home and went to a top prep school. But if you heard the comments on ESPN the next day, they're really not backing off most of that stuff. And calling somebody an "Uncle Tom" is a pretty harsh remark no matter what age.
Link“Well, certain schools recruit a typical kind of player whether the world admits it or not. And Duke is one of those schools,” he said. “They recruit black players from polished families, accomplished families. And that’s fine. That’s okay. But when you’re an inner-city kid playing in a public school league, you know that certain schools aren’t going to recruit you. That’s one. And I’m okay with it. That’s how I felt as an 18-year-old kid.”
I was refering to what I thought Rose meant by the comment, that they took only middle class or better black kdis from good families"Uncle Tomish"? Uncle Tom is a term who a black man who behaves subserviently to a white man. If people want to criticize Duke for not taking chances with inner city kids that's fine, knock Duke all you want. But I still think those comments aimed at guys like Hill are way out of line.
What the fuck are you talking about? And who gives a damn in any case?You forgot the part where Laettner and Thomas Hill regularly engaged in homosexual intercourse with each other.
That's not even talking shit, that's just the truth.
I have no problems with the quote you gave us here. They reflect what the world looked like to an 18 year old Jalen Rose, and the unvarnished honesty is somewhat refreshing. And because he tries to draw contrasts between the programs without loading his comments with judgmental phrases, I can appreciate what he's saying.This is what Rose said the next day on ESPN. Seeing how he said something similar, at least in my eyes, in the documentary, I guess he isn't backing off or anything.
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I just like bringing it up because it gets Duke fans so upset. You get the fire and the fury that you dare suggest it, followed with a swift "...not that there's anything wrong with that."Maybe I'm just being dense, but what exactly are you saying here? That it's better to have never won a title than it is to be a two-time NCAA champion and be gay? Where does sexual orientation enter the equation?
UNLV made Hurley shit his pants. Literally. The shots of him running back and forth from the bathroom should have made it into "One Shining Moment" that year but sadly, they missed the cut.
Okay, sorry. I absolutely can see where those guys were coming from regarding their thoughts on Duke. Who wouldn't have a chip on their shoulder? I sound like a broken record at this point but I have a major problem with the remarks aimed at the black Duke players. The term Uncle Tom implies Hill was "less black" or a "sell out to his race" for choosing Duke and I find that an extremely unfair remark by Rose.I was refering to what I thought Rose meant by the comment, that they took only middle class or better black kdis from good families
That's why most of them majored in sociology, right? Let's be honest. Duke recruited athletes that Mike Krzyzewski thought he could use to win basketball games.For better or worse Duke recruited athletes back then that they thought could succeed academically at Duke.
I fail to see what is ignorant about commenting on the fact that it was heavily rumored at the time and since that Christian Laettner and Thomas Hill were gay. But, as I said, carry on.If I were a mod this Duke-hating Michigan alum would ban your ignorant ass.