4/20/2022 Celtics vs. Nets: It is NOT Kyries All The Way Down

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Look, there is too much hate in the world. I don't really hate anyone. Neither should you.

But I "hate" the idea of "Kyrie Irving." In terms of my emotional health, (always a fragile thing), I need "Kyrie Irving" to exist in the modern (epistemologically founded) sense as a subject and object, as a representation of the sad state of truth (or "Truth") as a master narrative. He embodies, for me, the "I'm just asking questions" ethos that has broken me, and us, and the idea of community.

So, the human Kyrie Irving deserves respect, dignity and love. But "Kyrie Irving?"

Let slip the dogs of war my friends. Let your contempt unfold like a beautiful blossom.

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But----BUT---you can't live on hate. You live on love. And I love Jaylen Brown. And the difference here is that I can both love Jaylen Brown and I also "love" the idea of "Jalen Brown."

Because Jalen Brown is the true "basketball savant" in this here contest. He read the defense, drove baseline and then -- and pay attention here -- he doubled back into the lane and pulled three Nets his direction, from the overrated Goran Dragic to the irrelevant Bruce Brown to the aforementioned Uncle Drew. Even Durant kind of drifted, caught in no-man's land, and from there everything else could happen--Smart's dribble, Tatum's cut, Kyrie's befuddlement. THE MAN WAS BEFUDDLED. BE-FUDDLED.

Jaylen Brown did not throw up a contested fade with four seconds left on the clock. He saw a slight advantage and turned it into victory. He heard a beautiful hoops symphony in his mind before we perceived the first notes. He knew iso-ball would not get it done.

And here's why I am happy. Jaylen's play give me hope -- hope that the greater good -- the community -- can be redeemed by wise individuals subordinating individual satisfaction so that many can be raised up. Jalen's pass made Smart's pass possible which made Tatum's layup possible which made my heart heal and did incremental but vital good for the wounded soul of America.

"Kyrie Irving" thinks the world exists around him. Jaylen Brown shows us that you build a new, better world every single goddam day, with unstinting generosity, concern for others, profound integrity, and a radical belief that our collective happiness is more important than individual satisfaction. Jalen is love.

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Rusty Gate

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His lack of defensive anticipation and effort cost his team a huge game 1 victory. If he was at all alert in the lane on defense on the final play, he would have been able to deflect Smart's pass easily by just taking one step forward. Kyrie's excuse after the game was that he had to guard 2 guys. Just watched the replay and that is completely untrue. He was stuck in quicksand while the ball passed right in front of him. There was no open man behind him.
 

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His lack of defensive anticipation and effort cost his team a huge game 1 victory. If he was at all alert in the lane on defense on the final play, he would have been able to deflect Smart's pass easily by just taking one step forward. Kyrie's excuse after the game was that he had to guard 2 guys. Just watched the replay and that is completely untrue. He was stuck in quicksand while the ball passed right in front of him. There was no open man behind him.
A good answer would have been, "I didn't think there was anyway in Hell Smart was going to either try to or succesfuly make that pass. Hats off to him." But nobody tells Kyrie when to remove his hat.
 

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Look, there is too much hate in the world. I don't really hate anyone. Neither should you.

But I "hate" the idea of "Kyrie Irving." In terms of my emotional health, (always a fragile thing), I need "Kyrie Irving" to exist in the modern (epistemologically founded) sense as a subject and object, as a representation of the sad state of truth (or "Truth") as a master narrative. He embodies, for me, the "I'm just asking questions" ethos that has broken me, and us, and the idea of community.

So, the human Kyrie Irving deserves respect, dignity and love. But "Kyrie Irving?"

Let slip the dogs of war my friends. Let your contempt unfold like a beautiful blossom.

But----BUT---you can't live on hate. You live on love. And I love Jaylen Brown. And the difference here is that I can both love Jaylen Brown and I also "love" the idea of "Jalen Brown."

Because Jalen Brown is the true "basketball savant" in this here contest. He read the defense, drove baseline and then -- and pay attention here -- he doubled back into the lane and pulled three Nets his direction, from the overrated Goran Dragic to the irrelevant Bruce Brown to the aforementioned Uncle Drew. Even Durant kind of drifted, caught in no-man's land, and from there everything else could happen--Smart's dribble, Tatum's cut, Kyrie's befuddlement. THE MAN WAS BEFUDDLED. BE-FUDDLED.

Jaylen Brown did not throw up a contested fade with four seconds left on the clock. He saw a slight advantage and turned it into victory. He heard a beautiful hoops symphony in his mind before we perceived the first notes. He knew iso-ball would not get it done.

And here's why I am happy. Jaylen's play give me hope -- hope that the greater good -- the community -- can be redeemed by wise individuals subordinating individual satisfaction so that many can be raised up. Jalen's pass made Smart's pass possible which made Tatum's layup possible which made my heart heal and did incremental but vital good for the wounded soul of America.

"Kyrie Irving" thinks the world exists around him. Jaylen Brown shows us that you build a new, better world every single goddam day, with unstinting generosity, concern for others, profound integrity, and a radical belief that our collective happiness is more important than individual satisfaction. Jalen is love.
Thank you for this - this is SoSH forum gold. Tongue-in-cheek? Perhaps. Overly dramatic? Maybe a bit. But the prose is beautiful and the underlying points very real. Great job!
 

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His lack of defensive anticipation and effort cost his team a huge game 1 victory. If he was at all alert in the lane on defense on the final play, he would have been able to deflect Smart's pass easily by just taking one step forward. Kyrie's excuse after the game was that he had to guard 2 guys. Just watched the replay and that is completely untrue. He was stuck in quicksand while the ball passed right in front of him. There was no open man behind him.
White was open in the corner... I believe that was Kyrie's actual man he was guarding..but he cheated down into the lane to try and help on any pass to Horford I believe. Tatum's cut was great because both Kyrie and KD were ball watching.
 

Ale Xander

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Kyrie Irving is a steaming pile of excrement. Flush him so fast and so hard that he finds his way to the opposite end of the universe.
 

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I'm so fucking sick of talking about Kyrie.

The opposition is a sports team FROM NEW YORK. That alone is sufficient to want them eliminated ASAP. The only reasons Nets fans aren't insufferable is that the Nets don't have any fans. Let's not let them get started. Go green.
 

DeJesus Built My Hotrod

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If only as an emotional hedge, on the spectrum of "game one showed the C's are the better all around club and will win game two easily to we're all gonna die (in the basketball sense)" this game feels like another pick 'em to me. Who knows what sort of crazy hijinks will ensue!

Its probably a winning bet that there will be more Kyrie drama.
 

mikeot

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That’s the best opening post I’ve ever read
Word: that was almost Pynchon-level. Almost.

Re tonight: if Game One was the template, I'm down. Frustrate the fuck out of Durant, let Kyrie be his usual asshole self. Just counting on one or both of the Jays to turn on the afterburners this go-round. Nullify the Nets - again.
 

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White was open in the corner... I believe that was Kyrie's actual man he was guarding..but he cheated down into the lane to try and help on any pass to Horford I believe. Tatum's cut was great because both Kyrie and KD were ball watching.
If either KD or KI has his hands up and out, that passing lane from Marcus to JT probably is gone.
 

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Word: that was almost Pynchon-level. Almost.

Re tonight: if Game One was the template, I'm down. Frustrate the fuck out of Durant, let Kyrie be his usual asshole self. Just counting on one or both of the Jays to turn on the afterburners this go-round. Nullify the Nets - again.
I wonder if the game 1 attack was to frustrate and limit KD, but this next game will be about taking KI out of his game. In other words, the Beliichick model of taking away one thing.
 

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Because of the ISO ability of the Nets top 2, it is tough to have the kinds of blitzkrieg quarters the team has been thriving on, where the Clamps put an offense to bed with the covers tucked in all around while the offense runs wild off turnovers and ugly misses. But it's not impossible, the C's extended to 15 in G1 and had a decent but not great shooting night, and left points on the floor early when the Nets were especially sloppy. Have to really take advantage of those in-game windows. Up 11 with KD off the floor needs to be boot-on-neck time, for example.
 

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Because of the ISO ability of the Nets top 2, it is tough to have the kinds of blitzkrieg quarters the team has been thriving on, where the Clamps put an offense to bed with the covers tucked in all around while the offense runs wild off turnovers and ugly misses. But it's not impossible, the C's extended to 15 in G1 and had a decent but not great shooting night, and left points on the floor early when the Nets were especially sloppy. Have to really take advantage of those in-game windows. Up 11 with KD off the floor needs to be boot-on-neck time, for example.
Also, the Cs hadn't played a meaningful game since maybe CHI on April 6 or even back to MIA on March 30. I'm sure they will play better games than they did in G1.

If only as an emotional hedge, on the spectrum of "game one showed the C's are the better all around club and will win game two easily to we're all gonna die (in the basketball sense)" this game feels like another pick 'em to me. Who knows what sort of crazy hijinks will ensue!

Its probably a winning bet that there will be more Kyrie drama.
Cs are a 3.5 point favorite so most people would take the Cs straight up.
 

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Cs are a 3.5 point favorite so most people would take the Cs straight up.
Yeah, I am no oddsmaker and I am no good at predicting actual outcomes. I just see two teams that are essentially evenly matched in marginal talent (even if the composition is very different) and it feels like these games are more likely to come down to the final possession(s) than not. It wouldn't surprise me if this ends up being the most stressful series of the playoffs for Boston, assuming they can advance, for a variety of reasons.
 

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Because of the ISO ability of the Nets top 2, it is tough to have the kinds of blitzkrieg quarters the team has been thriving on, where the Clamps put an offense to bed with the covers tucked in all around while the offense runs wild off turnovers and ugly misses. But it's not impossible, the C's extended to 15 in G1 and had a decent but not great shooting night, and left points on the floor early when the Nets were especially sloppy. Have to really take advantage of those in-game windows. Up 11 with KD off the floor needs to be boot-on-neck time, for example.
For all the people claiming how much the Nets can take solace in the fact hat they lost by only one with KD having one of his worst-ever playoff games, I think the Celtics can feel confident that the Celtics don't go -10 again in the aggregate minutes where KD sits.
(I also don't think Kyrie has another night shooting .600/.600/1.000.)
 

wade boggs chicken dinner

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Yeah, I am no oddsmaker and I am no good at predicting actual outcomes. I just see two teams that are essentially evenly matched in marginal talent (even if the composition is very different) and it feels like these games are more likely to come down to the final possession(s) than not. It wouldn't surprise me if this ends up being the most stressful series of the playoffs for Boston, assuming they can advance, for a variety of reasons.
I know there's an immediacy bias and this is a game thread but to say that if BOS advances the other series will be less stressful is to imply that BRK is better than MIL and PHI/MIA.

I think MIL and PHI (third player way better) has more talent than BRK and are better teams and MIA may not have more talent but is the better team.

My biggest fear is that the Cs have a tough, physically and mentally-draining slog ahead of them, but if they can make it through, everyone will agree that they earned it.
 

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I know there's an immediacy bias and this is a game thread but to say that if BOS advances the other series will be less stressful is to imply that BRK is better than MIL and PHI/MIA.

I think MIL and PHI (third player way better) has more talent than BRK and are better teams and MIA may not have more talent but is the better team.

My biggest fear is that the Cs have a tough, physically and mentally-draining slog ahead of them, but if they can make it through, everyone will agree that they earned it.
My view is based mostly on match-ups. I am not discounting Embiid and Harden or anyone on the Bucks or even the Heat. That said, facing KD and Kyrie for a series is a different animal than those other teams. If I were to rank top-end talented teams, its Brooklyn, Milwaukee, Philly and then Miami. None of those teams will be easy but I am of the mind that the road gets a bit easier if the Celtics make it out of this round. Especially if TL can come back and actually contribute.
 

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I haven't seen a first round ticket this hot in my recent memory. The get-in price on Ticketmaster after fees is $285. Even the Barclays games are expensive and they have no fans.
 

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Add my name to the list of people who are huge fans of this opening post for the game thread. I have been around here for a lot of big games, and many of them had excellent OPs from many great posters, but this one definitely gets a spot in the pantheon. In case I needed to be a little extra fired up, that box is checked, my friends. Now I just have to find a good stream, and I will be all set...
 

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Look, there is too much hate in the world. I don't really hate anyone. Neither should you.

But I "hate" the idea of "Kyrie Irving." In terms of my emotional health, (always a fragile thing), I need "Kyrie Irving" to exist in the modern (epistemologically founded) sense as a subject and object, as a representation of the sad state of truth (or "Truth") as a master narrative. He embodies, for me, the "I'm just asking questions" ethos that has broken me, and us, and the idea of community.

So, the human Kyrie Irving deserves respect, dignity and love. But "Kyrie Irving?"

Let slip the dogs of war my friends. Let your contempt unfold like a beautiful blossom.

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But----BUT---you can't live on hate. You live on love. And I love Jaylen Brown. And the difference here is that I can both love Jaylen Brown and I also "love" the idea of "Jalen Brown."

Because Jalen Brown is the true "basketball savant" in this here contest. He read the defense, drove baseline and then -- and pay attention here -- he doubled back into the lane and pulled three Nets his direction, from the overrated Goran Dragic to the irrelevant Bruce Brown to the aforementioned Uncle Drew. Even Durant kind of drifted, caught in no-man's land, and from there everything else could happen--Smart's dribble, Tatum's cut, Kyrie's befuddlement. THE MAN WAS BEFUDDLED. BE-FUDDLED.

Jaylen Brown did not throw up a contested fade with four seconds left on the clock. He saw a slight advantage and turned it into victory. He heard a beautiful hoops symphony in his mind before we perceived the first notes. He knew iso-ball would not get it done.

And here's why I am happy. Jaylen's play give me hope -- hope that the greater good -- the community -- can be redeemed by wise individuals subordinating individual satisfaction so that many can be raised up. Jalen's pass made Smart's pass possible which made Tatum's layup possible which made my heart heal and did incremental but vital good for the wounded soul of America.

"Kyrie Irving" thinks the world exists around him. Jaylen Brown shows us that you build a new, better world every single goddam day, with unstinting generosity, concern for others, profound integrity, and a radical belief that our collective happiness is more important than individual satisfaction. Jalen is love.

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Deathofthebambino

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Didn't even realize this was on locally, so I can get Scal and Gorman. Thank fucking God.

Everything is coming up green right now.
 

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Who was the dude in the pink sweater at the end of the handshake line?
 

tbb345

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I absolutely loathe the fucking Nets. Let’s run them off the court
 

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It’s borderline bizarre even to me how much I want this one.