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It is absolutely natural movement. You always use your arms to deal with screens. You are all hunting for reasons to justify an awful call
 

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I found myself wanting Nesmith in the game late.

Tough day with the Sox and then this.
 

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Let's hope the C's can beat the Magic without Jaylen on Wednesday nite.
 

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No, but you do swing your arm if you think you’re going to be throwing your arm out to fight around a screen
you do? I haven't seen that. when does a player throw his arm out fighting over a screen? Its usually the opposite, dipping the shoulder and tucking the arm in to get around someone.
 

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It is absolutely natural movement. You always use your arms to deal with screens. You are all hunting for reasons to justify an awful call
The hand was at the belly anyway—if anything hit the nuts it’s the knee, which is a product of the illegal screen.

It’s a hideous call.

I agree that Marcus doesn’t get benefit of doubt on those, which is unfortunate, but the physics don’t work for that being intentional
 

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It is absolutely natural movement. You always use your arms to deal with screens. You are all hunting for reasons to justify an awful call
yeah, you dip your shoulder and snake your arm around the guy setting the screen to try and slip it - something Smart is as good as anyone in the league at. He intentionally sack tapped Nurkic and you can’t convince me otherwise..
 

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Don’t be mad about this game, be mad about the dozen or so games they tossed against worse teams because they decided not to show up.
 

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Having now watched the replay a bunch...

I can buy the argument that it wasn't an intentional nut-tap, but only if the argument is that Marcus was making himself big and trying to make significant contact to get the call, and just happened to hit him in the nuts rather than the stomach.

There is no argument that he was trying to get around the screen, by making the only type of movement that guaranteed he would make a ton of contact, instead of just sliding around. Marcus squares up, extends the arm and does everything he can to make as much contact as possible. Bad luck he hits him the nuts maybe, but much like contact to the head, you don't get an intent pass when you search out the contact.

Edit- also... you develop a rep you have to live with it, you have a rep as a hothead and a bit of a dirty player, well the refs are gonna have that in their mind when deciding whether to eject you or not.
 

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you do? I haven't seen that. when does a player throw his arm out fighting over a screen? Its usually the opposite, dipping the shoulder and tucking the arm in to get around someone.
Dip your shoulder and either tuck your arm or extend your arm and slide by.
 

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Win or lose that could have been a good, fun game. But refs, Smart, and the J's going down. Bad calls exasperate things and lead to things, like, Smart getting ejected -- legit or not.
 

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Having now watched the replay a bunch...

I can buy the argument that it wasn't an intentional nut-tap, but only if the argument is that Marcus was making himself big and trying to make significant contact to get the call, and just happened to hit him in the nuts rather than the stomach.

There is no argument that he was trying to get around the screen, by making the only type of movement that guaranteed he would make a ton of contact, instead of just sliding around. Marcus squares up, extends the arm and does everything he can to make as much contact as possible. Bad luck he hits him the nuts maybe, but much like contact to the head, you don't get an intent pass when you search out the contact.
Powell got a pass when he hit Smart in the head.

How about some consistency from the refs?
 

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If you hip check someone on an illegal screen, I really don't think you should get the benefit of the doubt on a borderline intent call to the extent the other guy gets ejected.
 

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Defense is this teams tragic flaw and I don't see any way around it. Yeah, Kemba didn't play but that also means even weaker D when he's back. Tonight, lights out 3-point shooting from Fournier, Nesmith and PP and they still lose while giving up 129points - 129 POINTS!!! First the first time in a long time, I feel like we have a pretty good bench as well as plenty of 3-point shooting, but it's not gonna be enough
 

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There’s no way that Smart decided, as he was about to fight through the screen, “hey might as well punch this guy in the dick while I’m here”. Zero chance that was intentional.
 

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After the refs stole 2 that would have put the Celtics ahead, they never had the ball with a chance to lead or tie for the rest of the game. Just a brutal miss and insane that an objective play like that is not reviewable while all kinds of inane shit is constantly reviewed for hours.
 

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Dip your shoulder and either tuck your arm or extend your arm and slide by.
yea, the arm extending is not a thing in the position he was in there though. these are so hard to judge on replay as well. I think the NBA should definitely err on the side of no one should get punched / kicked in the nuts. I thought it was ridiculous when draymond didnt get ejected for repeatedly kicking steven adams in the dick years ago.

There’s no way that Smart decided, as he was about to fight through the screen, “hey might as well punch this guy in the dick while I’m here”. Zero chance that was intentional.
why zero? athletes doing impulsive shit in the heat of the moment is very common.
 

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I just hope the Jays are okay. A loss sucks, but JT, PP, AN all played so well it gives me some hope for the next season.
 

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yea, the arm extending is not a thing in the position he was in there though. these are so hard to judge on replay as well. I think the NBA should definitely err on the side of no one should get punched / kicked in the nuts. I thought it was ridiculous when draymond didnt get ejected for repeatedly kicking steven adams in the dick years ago.


why zero? athletes doing impulsive shit in the heat of the moment is very common.
It's not "very common." C'mon man.
 

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yea, the arm extending is not a thing in the position he was in there though. these are so hard to judge on replay as well. I think the NBA should definitely err on the side of no one should get punched / kicked in the nuts. I thought it was ridiculous when draymond didnt get ejected for repeatedly kicking steven adams in the dick years ago.


why zero? athletes doing impulsive shit in the heat of the moment is very common.
You just don’t have time to make that decision. You’re being fooled by slow motion. He’s just trying to follow and Nurkic moves illegally. He has no shot of understanding that maybe he can sneak in a cup check
 

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I’m pretty much a casual fan these days. If the Celts are on, I’ll watch (if the Sox are off) I’ll watch the finals. But man, the referees make it difficult. It’s a tough game to ref, but I really think the refs and replays have hurt the game. And each team having 49 time outs every half doesn’t help. And get off my lawn.
 

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There’s no way that Smart decided, as he was about to fight through the screen, “hey might as well punch this guy in the dick while I’m here”. Zero chance that was intentional.
Would you concede that Smart might decide to play things a little more fast and loose, perhaps intentionally playing out of control to cause some level of chaos? Because it looked like it worked exactly as he would have drawn it up except for Nurkic dropping like a ton of bricks and looking like he just got hit in the junk.

Not to mention, Marcus is the known for being ridiculously coordinated - someone who can hit 3's from the corner while facing the seats, or no look pass, strip a ball from a driving defender without even looking. None of this is new for him, including the intent.
 

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yeah I'm sorry but y'all are crazy if you think he doesn't aggressively seek out the contact with his left arm when he sees Nurk sliding in. He's not trying to fight over the screen, he's trying to create a whole bunch of contact so he gets the call.... which he did, but he was so aggressive on it and hit him in the nuts that it got replayed. If he just runs into him he still gets the call and doesn't get ejected.

Edit- also, he has plenty of time there to make a move, most NBA actions take less than that much time, that's why we need slo-mo, Marcus Smart isn't you playing at the Y.
 

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Having now watched the replay a bunch...

I can buy the argument that it wasn't an intentional nut-tap, but only if the argument is that Marcus was making himself big and trying to make significant contact to get the call, and just happened to hit him in the nuts rather than the stomach.

There is no argument that he was trying to get around the screen, by making the only type of movement that guaranteed he would make a ton of contact, instead of just sliding around. Marcus squares up, extends the arm and does everything he can to make as much contact as possible. Bad luck he hits him the nuts maybe, but much like contact to the head, you don't get an intent pass when you search out the contact.

Edit- also... you develop a rep you have to live with it, you have a rep as a hothead and a bit of a dirty player, well the refs are gonna have that in their mind when deciding whether to eject you or not.
Right. He was trying to make sure he obviously got blown up by the moving screen.
 

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Take this how you will but I follow a lot of NBA writers and columnists, which includes a few who love to hate on the Celtics to rile up C’s fans, and literally none of them are saying they thought that was intentional by Smart. 100% of them all thought it was a bad call for him to be thrown out
 

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Would you concede that Smart might decide to play things a little more fast and loose, perhaps intentionally playing out of control to cause some level of chaos? Because it looked like it worked exactly as he would have drawn it up except for Nurkic dropping like a ton of bricks and looking like he just got hit in the junk.

Not to mention, Marcus is the known for being ridiculously coordinated - someone who can hit 3's from the corner while facing the seats, or no look pass, strip a ball from a driving defender without even looking. None of this is new for him, including the intent.
Yeah I agree Smart can be reckless but I don’t think there was malicious intent at all. I’m alright with the tech I guess, it was a nut shot, but I hate the ejection. The ejection signals that it was intentional and I don’t think that’s a fair call.
 

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Yeah I agree Smart can be reckless but I don’t think there was malicious intent at all. I’m alright with the tech I guess, it was a nut shot, but I hate the ejection. The ejection signals that it was intentional and I don’t think that’s a fair call.
I agree, the ejection was almost certain to factor in his history, but the play on the floor definitely didn't warrant it. A tech though was definitely in order.
 

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His arms literally don’t move. Nurkic can’t be rewarded for moving into an illegal position causing contact
If you don't think his arms move for the point where he's got a had up on the ballhandler with his back almost to the basket to the point where his entire arm is across Nurkic and his back is 90 degrees to the basket...... I seriously hope you get a new vision exam before you do any driving.
 

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I just don’t understand how the same crew that called only a common foul on Norm Powell’s Macho Man elbow to Smart’s head can turn around and eject Smart for his play. I just don’t see how you can assign intent to one but not the other