5/21, Game 3 @Miami

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That’ll about do it for the Mazzulla apologists here. Laughable. See ya next season without this man at the helm. And if he is back, it better be surrounded by assistants that know how to manage these types of games. He’s over his head and it’s been obvious since the Atlanta series.
 

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Totally agree. What worries me the most is that those 2-4 times a game he loses the dribble on a drive, he gives zero reaction, never tries to make up for his mistake, and slowly jogs back while the other team races up the floor
I assume you have the same issue with the 2-3 times Tatim does the exact same thing?
 

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I think Joe needs to go, but I don't have any issues with this presser. He's trying to shoulder the blame for his guys.

This is all on Brad - this poor guy just got thrown into a situation he's not ready for
 

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Especially to upgrade. Trading just for a shakeup doesn't make sense, and it's damn hard to really upgrade. Getting a better coach wouldn't be too difficult
It's hard to upgrade talent. But it's not clear more talent is what this team needs, what it needs is players who can execute when it matters, and who'll spend the late game deferring to Tatum while helping get him easier shots.
 

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Which is admirable in a way but also idiotic because the first 5-10 minutes was the only time they looked half decent because Jaylen was on a heater.

That said it’s a post game after an absolutely brutal loss. You can blow the team up or cover for the team and it’s not too surprising he’s doing the latter
I agree, it’s admirable he’s falling on the sword but it’s clear he is wayyyyyyy out of his depth here. He’s gone.
 

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Tatum is tight with Mazzulla, but if given a choice between jettisoning him or Smart, I have to believe Tatum would want to keep Marcus.
If Tatum likes Mazzulla, he needs to step up and lead the team to get them to play hard for the guy. it's hard to win it all without a top player who sets the tone.
 

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It's hard to upgrade talent. But it's not clear more talent is what this team needs, what it needs is players who can execute when it matters, and who'll spend the late game deferring to Tatum while helping get him easier shots.
Pre-injury Ricky Rubio is what the team needs. But that guy isn't out there.
 

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“I didn’t have them ready to play.”

On one hand, taking responsibility is good to take the heat off the players.

That can’t be what he leads with here, especially after all of the “he’s learning” from Brown/Smart.

Going with “we need to shoot better, we need to defend better, we need to coach better” would have been more satisfying.

And that sound byte on repeat is going to be brutal.
 

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I assume you have the same issue with the 2-3 times Tatim does the exact same thing?
Tatum will at least usually hustle back, he's had multiple blocks doing that. He also generally loses the ball near the paint where they can't get out and run as easy, JB generally loses it around the 3 point line where if he doesn't try to recover it's an easy layup.
 

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They can bring in a new coach. Win 55-58 games in the regular season. Maybe even make the Finals again. But this core is immature and not wired to win a title. They’ve gone as far as their million dollar talent can take them. But their 10 cent heads are the obstacle. Hard to see that changing.
 

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It's hard to upgrade talent. But it's not clear more talent is what this team needs, what it needs is players who can execute when it matters, and who'll spend the late game deferring to Tatum while helping get him easier shots.
Yeah in this case because you have Tatum already a quarter for two dimes and a nickel type trade could actually be fine. I don’t think the roster is unbalanced per se and certainly not undertalented but different players could, well, be better simply by being different.
 

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They can bring in a new coach. Win 55-58 games in the regular season. Maybe even make the Finals again. But this core is immature and not wired to win a title. They’ve gone as far as their million dollar talent can take them. But their 10 cent heads are the obstacle. Hard to see that changing.
They need someone like PJ Tucker. I can’t fucking stand the guy but he’s the easiest solution to the problem.
 

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Joe falling on his sword, but this veteran team shouldn’t need their coach to “get them connected” or “get them ready.”

This is on the players tonight. If they quit on their coach, they are losers.
 

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If Tatum likes Mazzulla, he needs to step up and lead the team to get them to play hard for the guy. it's hard to win it all without a top player who sets the tone.
I think that's an issue. This Heat team takes on Butler's personality. Same with the Warriors and Curry. Every LBJ team. Classic examples of Bird and Jordan. I'm just not sure that this is Tatum's personality--he seems to like to defer to Marcus and Al.
 

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Yeah in this case because you have Tatum already a quarter for two dimes and a nickel type trade could actually be fine. I don’t think the roster is unbalanced per se and certainly not undertalented but different players could, well, be better simply by being different.
This may be a very unpopular opinion…but, are we sure Tatim is ready and capable for that kind of load? Both on court and off court? I tend to think the answer is pretty clearly no for both
 

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He put together the most talented roster in the league? It's not his fault his coach last year was dumb, forcing a rookie HC with zero prep on the eve of training camp into that role
it's absolutely partially his fault. he hired both guys

this notion that he had no choice but to pick Mazzulla is crazy - there were other guys on the staff with more experience
 

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I think that's an issue. This Heat team takes on Butler's personality. Same with the Warriors and Curry. Every LBJ team. Classic examples of Bird and Jordan. I'm just not sure that this is Tatum's personality--he seems to like to defer to Marcus and Al.
I think that is Tatum’s personality. He’s incredibly non chalant and needs a firestartwr next to him
 

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This may be a very unpopular opinion…but, are we sure Tatim is ready and capable for that kind of load? Both on court and off court? I tend to think the answer is pretty clearly no for both
Hard to say, he can do it- just look at G7 vs Philly. But the consistency isn’t there. Of course, he is young. But winning championships is hard and a lot of really good players never get to that level. I don’t know what the alternatives are; having coaches and some role players who have been there could help- or not. Who knows.
 

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This may be a very unpopular opinion…but, are we sure Tatim is ready and capable for that kind of load? Both on court and off court? I tend to think the answer is pretty clearly no for both
Sure, there is a reason it takes even the greats a long time to lead a winner.

So they have to do whatever they can to put him in position to do it. Veteran role players, a better coaching staff, bring in his buddies. Whatever it takes, because this is the kind of series that we will point back to and say “of course he wanted out.”
 

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it's absolutely partially his fault. he hired both guys

this notion that he had no choice but to pick Mazzulla is crazy - there were other guys on the staff with more experience
This might be true, but none of them with HC experience, so they'd all be in the boat of not having an prep time for the job. Sadly the chances of a good enough guy with experience still available right before training camp. I'm not saying Brad is devoid of blame, but Ime but him in a bad spot
 

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This may be a very unpopular opinion…but, are we sure Tatim is ready and capable for that kind of load? Both on court and off court? I tend to think the answer is pretty clearly no for both
I’m not convinced. I compared him to Pippen last series and I think that Pippen on the high side Paul George on the downside type of comparison might be what he is. Which is a hell of a basketball player but he can’t get good shots the way the absolute best do. He’s been great at working on his game and maybe he can add that Durant jumper to score at 3 levels now that he’s able to shoot the 3 and drives much better but that Philly game aside he just doesn’t seem to regularly be able to score when every man on the court is focused on him. This is incredibly harsh on him as deficiencies in other areas have him seeing constant double and triple teams and he’s playing PG half the time for some reason but that tends to be the life of a top player on a championship team
 

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Couldn't agree more. And I posted those concerns (Celts needed a more experienced coach) back in December-January and was told I was over reaching. And that CJM would be fine come the post season.
I’m not gonna go digging up posts but I’m pretty sure my pre season take was that Mazzulla gave them the best chance for a good start but I was super worried that they’d have to face a Heat team in the playoffs and he’d need to trade adjustments with Spolestra. Little did I know he’d sidestep this by not having adjustments
 

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In terms of who has to go, Horford is averaging 6/7/3 this postseason and shooting <30% from 3. He’s almost 37. He still has his moments but seems pretty clear he can’t be counted on. Is moving on from Al and Smart enough of a shakeup? Too much?
 

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I’m not convinced. I compared him to Pippen last series and I think that Pippen on the high side Paul George on the downside type of comparison might be what he is. Which is a hell of a basketball player but he can’t get good shots the way the absolute best do. He’s been great at working on his game and maybe he can add that Durant jumper to score at 3 levels now that he’s able to shoot the 3 and drives much better but that Philly game aside he just doesn’t seem to regularly be able to score when every man on the court is focused on him. This is incredibly harsh on him as deficiencies in other areas have him seeing constant double and triple teams and he’s playing PG half the time for some reason but that tends to be the life of a top player on a championship team
I think the off the court thing is more of an issue for him. As of now, I just don’t see Tatum as a leader at all. At all. There’s just nothing there. I think there’s a reason he defers to Jaylen and Marcus and it’s not because he’s hiding some great leader quality that those two aren’t letting him show
 

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This might be true, but none of them with HC experience, so they'd all be in the boat of not having an prep time for the job. Sadly the chances of a good enough guy with experience still available right before training camp. I'm not saying Brad is devoid of blame, but Ime but him in a bad spot
I agree there - Ime absolutely screwed the celts
 

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He put together the most talented roster in the league? It's not his fault his coach last year was dumb, forcing a rookie HC with zero prep on the eve of training camp into that role
Ainge put together the talent. Brogdon and White have been pretty much useless in the playoffs and Al is worn out. If I owned the team, I’m looking at the whole organization. I’m guessing Brad is safe but there is a case to move on. Mazz was a mistake. But in this series, it was not the coach. It was the players.