53 Man Roster Thread: Ain't Done Yet
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Brings the roster down to 81. I would assume Tyler Gaffney and Marcus Martin will go IR and NFI list so that means only 4 more cuts to be made.
QB (2) Brady, Garoppolo -- I just see no reason for Mallett to be there. Yes he has more experience than JG, but QBs start as rookies all the time now...should the worst happen, I'd roll the dice with Jimmy
RB (5) Ridley, Vereen, White, Develin, Finch -- hate to cut Bolden, as he's useful, but have to assume White will make it, Gray will pass through to the practice squad, and that Finch will add some breakaway ability.
WR (7) Edelman, Amendola, Thompkins, LaFell, Slater, Dobson, Gallon -- I don't really know about Gallon, between him and Boyce so just took a stab on Gallon. Probably will play in PS game 4, so likely will depend on that. Tyms back after week 4 means both are on edge.
TE (2) Gronkowski, Hoomanawanui -- tis what it tis.
C (1) Stork
G (3) Mankins, Connolly, Kline
T (4) Solder, Vollmer, Fleming, Cannon
- maybe Halapio to the PS, can't remember if Barker is eligible. I don't see Devey making it, but he'd also be a PS possibility.
DE (5) Jones, Ninkovich, Buchanan, Vellano, Moore -- I am curious about Worthy, and could easily see Vellano instead if they like what they see.
DT (4) Wilfork, Easley, Jones, Siliga
ILB(4) Mayo, Hightower, Beauharnais, Morris
OLB(3) Collins, Fleming, Davis
CB (5) Revis, Dennard, Ryan, Butler, Arrington
SS (2) Harmon, Ebner
FS (3) McCourty, Thomas, Davis
-- probably more likely that one of Chung/Wilson make it and a guy like Morris or Davis is cut. Browner back after week 4 means someone like Jemea Thomas is headed for the PS.
ST (3) Gostkowski, Allen, Aiken
Total players: 53
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RB (5) Ridley, Vereen, White, Develin, Finch -- hate to cut Bolden, as he's useful, but have to assume White will make it, Gray will pass through to the practice squad, and that Finch will add some breakaway ability.
WR (7) Edelman, Amendola, Thompkins, LaFell, Slater, Dobson, Gallon -- I don't really know about Gallon, between him and Boyce so just took a stab on Gallon. Probably will play in PS game 4, so likely will depend on that. Tyms back after week 4 means both are on edge.
TE (2) Gronkowski, Hoomanawanui -- tis what it tis.
C (1) Stork
G (3) Mankins, Connolly, Kline
T (4) Solder, Vollmer, Fleming, Cannon
- maybe Halapio to the PS, can't remember if Barker is eligible. I don't see Devey making it, but he'd also be a PS possibility.
DE (5) Jones, Ninkovich, Buchanan, Vellano, Moore -- I am curious about Worthy, and could easily see Vellano instead if they like what they see.
DT (4) Wilfork, Easley, Jones, Siliga
ILB(4) Mayo, Hightower, Beauharnais, Morris
OLB(3) Collins, Fleming, Davis
CB (5) Revis, Dennard, Ryan, Butler, Arrington
SS (2) Harmon, Ebner
FS (3) McCourty, Thomas, Davis
-- probably more likely that one of Chung/Wilson make it and a guy like Morris or Davis is cut. Browner back after week 4 means someone like Jemea Thomas is headed for the PS.
ST (3) Gostkowski, Allen, Aiken
Total players: 53
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Reading into things:
http://blog.masslive.com/patriots/2014/08/new_england_patriots_practice_31.html
http://blog.masslive.com/patriots/2014/08/new_england_patriots_practice_31.html
Mankins wasn't at practice also. Hawkins has already been cut. None of these guys would be shocking cuts.
If three TEs make the roster now, where do you think they cut from? I have to think Hooman still makes it as Wright is not an inline TE. Did one of the bubble safeties just lose his spot?
I can't check now, but did Wright play any special teams last year?
I can't check now, but did Wright play any special teams last year?
One fewer OL, at any rate. Maybe someone in the defensive front seven?( . ) ( . ) and (_!_) said:
60 snaps, which isn't nothing, but it's not significant (about 25th on TB, just by eyeballing it).( . ) ( . ) and (_!_) said:
I didn't have Finch or Gray making it, so it looks to me like the extra TE spot is going to come out of the WR pool. Bad news for Boyce.
@MikeReiss: Patriots announce release of DL Ben Bass, DB Travis Hawkins, WR Derrick Johnson, LB Deontae Skinner, DB Jemea Thomas, WR Wilson Van Hooser.
Updates from the locked thread:
That leaves the final cuts: Devey, Chung, Finch, Gray, Barker, Vellano, Fleming, Bequette, Morris, Ja'Gared Davis, Boyce, Gallon, Maneri, Swanson, Cave, Tuipulotu, Manumaleuna, McCuller, and Gary, with Chris Martin staying on NFI and Tyms and Browner on the suspended list.
One gone.Super Nomario said:
No changes here.Super Nomario said:
Added Wright to this group.Super Nomario said:
That they're not on IR yet bodes well.Super Nomario said:
With Mankins' departure, there's a real (even likely) chance that both Wendell and Connolly make the team.Super Nomario said:
Some cuts already, with Gordon to IR and J.Jones and Thomas cut.Super Nomario said:
Gaffney did get added to IR, as did Cameron Gordon.Super Nomario said:
Unsurprisingly, a lot of cuts from this group.Super Nomario said:
I'd subtract Mankins (obviously) and Vellano and add Wright and Connolly. Toughest cut is Devey, who probably ends up making it if someone surprising goes.Super Nomario said:
That leaves the final cuts: Devey, Chung, Finch, Gray, Barker, Vellano, Fleming, Bequette, Morris, Ja'Gared Davis, Boyce, Gallon, Maneri, Swanson, Cave, Tuipulotu, Manumaleuna, McCuller, and Gary, with Chris Martin staying on NFI and Tyms and Browner on the suspended list.
Yes Boyce has to be gone and Gallon wouldn't shock me either as Tyms is conveniently stashed for 4 weeks if needed and White is essentially a slot WR anyway. I don't see what purpose Boyce or Gallon really serve.MainerInExile said:
Mallett is the #2 to begin the year and could be moved during the season but I don't see Jimmy as the lone backup. He simply isn't ready to be thrown into prime time.
I agree that JG isn't ready for primetime, but I still don't see why they'd keep Mallett. Mallett will definitely not be with the Pats in a year, so there's no long term cost except the compensatory pick. In the short term, I don't think either are ready for primetime and, while I agree Mallett would probably be a bit better...I'm not sure that's the case and, even if it is, it wouldn't be by such a margin to matter much.
Yeah, I think that's probably even crazier than cutting Ridley. I think Reiss feels the need to predict a "surprise" cut. To me, the smart money is still on Harmon starting at SS, and even if he's the third S he's still the best backup option at FS. And it's not like he plays no special teams.Ed Hillel said:
HomeRunBaker said:
Oh, Gallon is definitely cut, PS hopefully.
Super Nomario said:
Agreed, I thought that was really odd.
That gives them more time to evaluate who's the best fit next to McCourty, as well as the easiest spot to trim on the roster when Browner comes back.
Reiss' cuts have been goofy all preseason. I find him very unreliable in this area.Super Nomario said:
5 safeties doesn't surprise me ... but I'm surprised one wasn't Kanorris Davis (over one of Wilson / Chung). I wonder who will be the other gunner opposite Slater.Tony C said:
I don't think it was ever really a "A/R/D at safety" package vs a "3 CB / 1 S" package. Some teams play a lot of 3 WR and run out of that set, since it usually gets a LB off the field in favor of a CB. By taking a S off instead of a LB, they keep a strong front 7 but still match up against the receivers. The key here is McCourty, who's rangy enough to play one-high coverage shells.soxfan121 said:
Belichick basically confirms as much: http://www.providencejournal.com/sports/patriots/content/20140816-bill-belichick-says-kyle-arrington-and-logan-ryans-work-at-safety-was-more-of-a-formality.ece
EDIT: if you're wondering if this is something I've been thinking about writing about ... yeah
My question is who the heck is he hearing this from? Bill isn't leaking this and I doubt any of his assistants would violate The Patriot Way.Tony C said:
I think they go short at WR to keep Mallett for a couple reasons. One, the presence of White is essentially another WR anyway and if injuries occur you have Tyms available in Week 5. His suspension actually gives us some good flexibility.
soxfan121 said:
First off, I apologize if this was brought up in the BBTL forum before. The Pats seem to (finally) have an abundance of decent CBs. Dennard looks good coming into season three, Arrington has always played decent in the slot and Ryan has showed glimpses of decent play....and of course they have this guy named REVIS. But the big concern in the secondary is the safety opposite DMC. So, why don't they use Browner there? He's physical and has speed more in line with a S than CB. And if the NFL really is serious about calling more defensive holding/interference, he'll lose some of his value at CB.
Will Browner be a CB in name only? Will BB use him as a safety in some situations? Because the idea of Chung playing a lot snaps scares the crap out of me. I'm okay with it on running downs I guess, but the league is so pass heavy at this point, I don't even know if "running downs" exist anymore.
Super Nomario, KFP, or soxfan121...isn't Browner really a better fit at safety? Can you help me out?
This has come up before. Browner's built like a safety, but my understanding is that he isn't as strong in zone coverage and his best asset is his ability to press at the line, so using him at safety wouldn't be a good use of his skills. I could see the Pats matching him up against a pass-catching TE instead of a WR, which is sort of safety-ish, but I don't think we'll see much of him actually playing safety.BannedbyNYYFans.com said:
I think Reiss reported the Pats were using Chung at S on running downs and subbing in Harmon on passing downs. That plan makes sense. I'm not convinced Chung makes the team though.
Super Nomario said:
Volin said the same thing regarding Chung.
And I realize that CB is different than S, it's not as simple as, "Hey, go play another position, your body fits there!". If that was the case, Tebow would be the best FB in football.
Before your post, I never heard mention of Browner's poor abilities in zone. Using him to cover a big TE (like Talib did vs Graham) makes sense.
Imho, you're the best poster in this forum, SN *. Thanks for the response.
* Except when it's injury related, then my ten dollars goes to DRS.
Is anyone else concerned about LB depth? They appear to be counting on Mayo to be healthy, Hightower to become more of a complete player (he still gets smoked in coverage), and for Collins to really break out. Beyond this, it looks like a bunch of special teamers. I suppose some DL (Jones? Nink?) might see time playing off the line in some formations.
Jerod Mayo
Jamie Collins
Dont’a Hightower
Chris White
Darius Fleming
Steve Beauharnais
Jerod Mayo
Jamie Collins
Dont’a Hightower
Chris White
Darius Fleming
Steve Beauharnais
My biggest concerns with this team in descending order:
Ability to generate a consistent pass rush.
LB depth
SS
C
That being said, I think the team is extremely solid throughout, and with our schedule we should be considered the favorite for home field in the AFC.
Ability to generate a consistent pass rush.
LB depth
SS
C
That being said, I think the team is extremely solid throughout, and with our schedule we should be considered the favorite for home field in the AFC.
They play 2 LBs ~70% of the time, so running 3 deep there isn't a big concern. LB depth isn't ideal, but it wouldn't be one of my top 5 concerns with the team (maybe not even top 10).doctormoist said:
Anyone else notice DL Kelcy Quarles on Thursday? Giants just cut him, and from the 4-5 plays that I noticed him, he seems like an interesting practice squad prospect.
amfox1 said:
No surprise but still disappointing.
Tyms will see the field after game 4. I like the idea of 3 WR taller than 6'3".