8/11: Argh. Just... Argh.

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The 2021 Red Sox: Just when you think they hit rock bottom, turns out it was just a ledge and they roll off it and plunge even farther.

I'll start this gamethread. Because I know nobody else is going to want to. So I might as well get one in before I turn off this team for the year and find something else to watch in the evenings. I half think the only reason I'm still in is because network TV hasn't started up yet, and even when it does it's just so shitty right now. No way it can fill a whole weeks worth of evenings on whatever iteration of NCIS is currently going. The basic cable/ pay cable/ streaming prestige shows are starting to blend together a bit too much as well. And I've already done my annual Farscape rewatch this year so that's out too. Maybe I'll watch Cardinal again. Great Canadian crime show. Inexplicably unknown down here. Maybe the best cop show since Prime Suspect.

What were we talking about? Oh yeah, baseball. Somehow watching this team creates a lack of focus in me.

So we all know this is going to be a total shitshow again. Maybe a little hope early, perhaps even a lead at some point, but it won't last. But I'm suspecting it won't be a collapse tonight, if for no other reason than after this weekend and last night I don't have any nuts left to punch. I bet tonight it's more likely this game will be lost early, Eovaldi will not get out of the first, they'll put up a ten spot, and it will get so bad we'll need someone to start a new gamethread by the fifth.

However it goes, it won't be a win. The Devil Rays (do not start with that ray of light crap--they play in a fucking dome (actually, you know what? Gamethread rule: There will be no referring to the soon to be Montreal baseball team as the Rays. It's goddamned Devil Rays all night)) have a horseshoe so far up their collective asses right now that they are just unbeatable. At least until the White Sox make them look like the joke franchise they really are in the playoffs.

And the Red Sox? Well, whoever it was who sold their soul to make them look like a great team musta been halfway to hell already for how long the effect of that agreement lasted.

So, yeah. Argh. Just... Argh.
 

Al Zarilla

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The 2021 Red Sox: Just when you think they hit rock bottom, turns out it was just a ledge and they roll off it and plunge even farther.

I'll start this gamethread. Because I know nobody else is going to want to. So I might as well get one in before I turn off this team for the year and find something else to watch in the evenings. I half think the only reason I'm still in is because network TV hasn't started up yet, and even when it does it's just so shitty right now. No way it can fill a whole weeks worth of evenings on whatever iteration of NCIS is currently going. The basic cable/ pay cable/ streaming prestige shows are starting to blend together a bit too much as well. And I've already done my annual Farscape rewatch this year so that's out too. Maybe I'll watch Cardinal again. Great Canadian crime show. Inexplicably unknown down here. Maybe the best cop show since Prime Suspect.

What were we talking about? Oh yeah, baseball. Somehow watching this team creates a lack of focus in me.

So we all know this is going to be a total shitshow again. Maybe a little hope early, perhaps even a lead at some point, but it won't last. But I'm suspecting it won't be a collapse tonight, if for no other reason than after this weekend and last night I don't have any nuts left to punch. I bet tonight it's more likely this game will be lost early, Eovaldi will not get out of the first, they'll put up a ten spot, and it will get so bad we'll need someone to start a new gamethread by the fifth.

However it goes, it won't be a win. The Devil Rays (do not start with that ray of light crap--they play in a fucking dome (actually, you know what? Gamethread rule: There will be no referring to the soon to be Montreal baseball team as the Rays. It's goddamned Devil Rays all night)) have a horseshoe so far up their collective asses right now that they are just unbeatable. At least until the White Sox make them look like the joke franchise they really are in the playoffs.

And the Red Sox? Well, whoever it was who sold their soul to make them look like a great team musta been halfway to hell already for how long the effect of that agreement lasted.

So, yeah. Argh. Just... Argh.
Network TV, as in All in the Family, Cheers, Seinfeld, Dallas? Has that been relevant since back in their heydays?

Sad to say, this morning I counted the weeks and days until the NFL kicks off. I usually hang onto the current sport until it's finished and not go on full bore to the next one until it does. Not seeing a reason for that right now but I'll read the gamethreads and keep hoping.
 

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Let’s play a game. What way will the Red Sox lose tonight? Blow a lead? Close loss? I’m going with a blowout loss.
 

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The problem with all those percent chance of making the playoffs metrics is that in my experience a Red Sox team cruising along in first place has something like a 20 -25% likelihood of turning into complete crap overnight.

2021: 7/29 63-40 up 2.5.....8/10 65-50 down 5
2011: 8/31 83-52 up 1.5.....9/28 90-72 down 7 out of wild card*
1978: 8/30 84-47 up 7........9/16 87-61 down 3.5
1974: 8/23 70-54 up 6........9/20 77-73 down 4

*Here's an odd stat I'd never noticed: Red Sox averaged 11 runs in their wins in September 2011. I wonder if that is a record for average runs scored in wins in a month.
 

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Let’s play a game. What way will the Red Sox lose tonight? Blow a lead? Close loss? I’m going with a blowout loss.
I'll go with they get out to early lead in a close game, blow it late, the game goes into extra innings and they get blown out; this way, all possibilities are covered.
 

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The problem with all those percent chance of making the playoffs metrics is that in my experience a Red Sox team cruising along in first place has something like a 20 -25% likelihood of turning into complete crap overnight.

2021: 7/29 63-40 up 2.5.....8/10 65-50 down 5
2011: 8/31 83-52 up 1.5.....9/28 90-72 down 7 out of wild card*
1978: 8/30 84-47 up 7........9/16 87-61 down 3.5
1974: 8/23 70-54 up 6........9/20 77-73 down 4

*Here's an odd stat I'd never noticed: Red Sox averaged 11 runs in their wins in September 2011. I wonder if that is a record for average runs scored in wins in a month.
1978 was something special regarding all time choke jobs; a 10.5 game swing in about two weeks.

That takes some incredible talent; no wonder the Yankees hired Zimmer, they owed him big time.
 

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Let’s play a game. What way will the Red Sox lose tonight? Blow a lead? Close loss? I’m going with a blowout loss.
Forfeit, when players are so demoralized by reading the posts of entitled SoSH crybabies that they simply don't show up for the game
 

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Which ugly alternate jersey are they rocking tonight? I remember the days when it was only when Derek Lowe pitched on friday that they wore the terrible losing reds.
 

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Let’s play a game. What way will the Red Sox lose tonight? Blow a lead? Close loss? I’m going with a blowout loss.
I'm going with another nut punch; the Sox take an early 2 -0 lead on a Raffy homerun, and Eovaldi is lights out for 4.1. Then he gives up a walk and a double, Cora brings in either Robles or Davis who promptly gives up a single to tie it up, that guy steals second and third followed by a sac fly. The Sox get two or three men on second and third with less than two out situations in successive innings, but the batter either strikes out or pops up to an infielder. Valdez pitches two clean innings and in the eighth either X or JD hit a bomb with a guy on for a 4 -3 lead. Then O comes in for the ninth allows a double, followed by a single to tie the game. That guy then steals second and third and with two out scores on a wild pitch or passed ball. The Sox go down quietly in the 9th. After the game the board is consumed by the "In Chaim We Trust/Chaim Sucks" debate.
 

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My only wish is that the hitters start to swing at strikes and let balls go.

(Versus the opposite - which seems to be SOP this past month)

I'll take that approach as a moral victory.
 

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Find a way to win the next two and sweep Baltimore and the feeling around this team will change. Especially if Sale looks good and Schwarber continues to progress.
 

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Their next 3 home series after this are against the remaining bottom feeders, as LesterFan alludes. They have to go at least 7-2 against them.
 

markregan

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In that same vein, time to pound the old Budweiser. Joe Schultz was the unsung poet of the shitty expansion team world.
Joe Schultz is also the person who found out what "nihilism" means:

Another [Steve] Hovley story. He was standing by the clubhouse man’s tobacco shelf opening up a can of snuff. (Just wanted to try it, he said later.) Joe Schultz walked by wearing nothing but a towel around his waist and hollered out, “Hey, men, look who’s dipping into the snuff.” Then he grabbed a paperback book out of Hovley’s pocket. It was Dostoyevsky’s The Possessed. Schultz held the book up in the air and said, “Hey, men, look at this! What the shit kind of name is this?”
By this time there was a group of guys around him looking at the book like a group of monkeys might inspect a bright red rubber ball. Schultz read off the back cover—a sentence anyway—until he got to the word “nihilism.” “Hey, Hy,” Schultz said to [sportswriter] Hy Zimmerman, “what the hell does ‘nihilism’ mean?”
“That’s when you don’t believe in nothing,” Zimmerman said.
Whereupon Schultz, shaking his head and laughing, flung the book back at Hovley, hitched up his towel and strode off, amid much laughter. If Hovley weren’t 9 for 20 (.450) since he was called up I’d figure him to be back in Rochester in a matter of days.
 

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Their next 3 home series after this are against the remaining bottom feeders, as LesterFan alludes. They have to go at least 7-2 against them.
We should do what the MFYs do and use half a lineup and a quarter of a rotation against those teams and see if we can go 14-2 as well.

Oh wait that's what we've been doing all along. :rolleyes:
 

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Joe Schultz is also the person who found out what "nihilism" means:

Another [Steve] Hovley story. He was standing by the clubhouse man’s tobacco shelf opening up a can of snuff. (Just wanted to try it, he said later.) Joe Schultz walked by wearing nothing but a towel around his waist and hollered out, “Hey, men, look who’s dipping into the snuff.” Then he grabbed a paperback book out of Hovley’s pocket. It was Dostoyevsky’s The Possessed. Schultz held the book up in the air and said, “Hey, men, look at this! What the shit kind of name is this?”
By this time there was a group of guys around him looking at the book like a group of monkeys might inspect a bright red rubber ball. Schultz read off the back cover—a sentence anyway—until he got to the word “nihilism.” “Hey, Hy,” Schultz said to [sportswriter] Hy Zimmerman, “what the hell does ‘nihilism’ mean?”
“That’s when you don’t believe in nothing,” Zimmerman said.
Whereupon Schultz, shaking his head and laughing, flung the book back at Hovley, hitched up his towel and strode off, amid much laughter. If Hovley weren’t 9 for 20 (.450) since he was called up I’d figure him to be back in Rochester in a matter of days.
Hovley went from plumbing the depths of the human soul to plumbing the depths of the human toilet

https://tht.fangraphs.com/ball-four-part-i/
 

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Where was Verdugo's kid born? Didn't they say he was born and fine and all? Get back to work, ya lazy bum, ya!
I actually thought about this earlier today too. Unless he's breastfeeding he should be back by now. Nobody made him have sex last November.