8/19 - Canes (Game 5). Let's win a series.

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Also nothing to complain about today. Just a solid win against a supposedly desperate team. Now rest up and get healthy for round 2.
 

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Feel like the round robin was the few games they needed to get into playoff gear. Let's go on a run.
 

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If Dougie ever developed the mean streak that McAvoy is starting to show, he would be the best defenseman in the NHL. It might end up being Charlie instead.
"Dougie" is talented but I'd much rather have McAvoy, he has good offensive talent and plays with an edge.
 

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Like him or dislike him, Roger Clemens is the best Red Sox pitcher in my lifetime. I'm 63. Steroids on the Jays and Yanks or not he is a HOFame pitcher. And Manny's popularity doesn't seem to diminish with us through the years and he did Roids here. Yes Roger's a jerk but a fantastic pitcher. He is up on that list. And he has 3 Cy Youngs with sox and 7 total.
 
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Seth Jones leads that group. He's the best young defenseman in hockey right now, imo. Probably 2nd overall to Josi.
 

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I almost included him. He's 3rd on my list. Carlson probably 4th. Then from 5-10 it gets murky.
Carlson's numbers show him a liability in his zone...all of the other guys mentioned (including Dougie and Chuckie) are better two way guys. Carlson is a 2020 Mike Green...offensively elite but not in the top tier for me.
 

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Carlson's numbers show him a liability in his zone...all of the other guys mentioned (including Dougie and Chuckie) are better two way guys. Carlson is a 2020 Mike Green...offensively elite but not in the top tier for me.
Here's the question I was debating the other day with a buddy. Would you rather have McAvoy or Werenski? I choose McAvoy, but it's closer than I'd like to admit.
 

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Here's the question I was debating the other day with a buddy. Would you rather have McAvoy or Werenski? I choose McAvoy, but it's closer than I'd like to admit.
Jesus...I don't know how you decide that one. It's small margins. Would like to see Chuckie's numbers once he starts getting PP time.

2022 Olympics are gonna be dope

Edit: Jones/Werenski/McAvoy/Slavin/Hanifin/Hughes/Fox/Trouba...Slavin the old man at 28
 
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Anytime I want to be sad, I go look at the 2018 olympic rosters. Donato and Jordan Greenway are the only 2 people currently in the NHL that played for the US that year.
 

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Like him or dislike him, Roger Clemens is the best Red Sox pitcher in my lifetime. I'm 63. Steroids on the Jays and Yanks or not he is a HOFame pitcher. And Manny's popularity doesn't seem to diminish with us through the years and he did Roids here. Yes Roger's a jerk but a fantastic pitcher. He is up on that list.
Were you in a coma during the Pedro years?
Pedro > Clemens and it’s not even debatable. Clemens had longevity and that’s IT.
 

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Like him or dislike him, Roger Clemens is the best Red Sox pitcher in my lifetime. I'm 63. Steroids on the Jays and Yanks or not he is a HOFame pitcher. And Manny's popularity doesn't seem to diminish with us through the years and he did Roids here. Yes Roger's a jerk but a fantastic pitcher. He is up on that list.
Well I was posting about who I liked and was my favorite. So since I despise Clemens and think he's incredibly overrated and comes up incredibly small in big moments, he's absolutely not on my list.
 

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At first I thought that post was in the wrong forum, but now that I see the context, I conclude it was in the wrong website.
 

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Were you in a coma during the Pedro years?
Pedro > Clemens and it’s not even debatable. Clemens had longevity and that’s IT.
No I wasn't in a coma during the Pedro years. Fantastic HOFame pitcher. Clemens won 3 Cy Youngs. Bobby Cox said he's the best in his managerial era even better then Maddux. And he managed Maddux. And Clemens won 3 Cy Youngs here. It's a generational thing. it seems the Generation Xers and Millennials are obsessed with rings and titles. If Pedro didn't win a WS in 04 and Clemens won in 86 how different this conversation would be. From 98 to 2000 there was no pitcher more dominant in baseball then Pedro. He did drop off a little after 01. And Clemens did it 84-96.
 

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No I wasn't in a coma during the Pedro years. Fantastic HOFame pitcher. Clemens won 3 Cy Youngs. Bobby Cox said he's the best in his managerial era even better then Maddux. And he managed Maddux. And Clemens won 3 Cy Youngs here. It's a generational thing. it seems the Generation Xers and Millennials are obsessed with rings and titles. If Pedro didn't win a WS in 04 and Clemens won in 86 how different this conversation would be. From 98 to 2000 there was no pitcher more dominant in baseball then Pedro. He did drop off a little after 01. And Clemens did it 84-96.
You're way underselling Pedro and way overselling Clemens.

edit: I mean if all you think Pedro has is 'rings and titles' and Clemens is better because of 3 Cy Youngs and Bobby Cox?
 

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You're way underselling Pedro and way overselling Clemens.

edit: I mean if all you think Pedro has is 'rings and titles' and Clemens is better because of 3 Cy Youngs and Bobby Cox?
Not at all. A lot of great pitchers haven't won WS titles. It just seems this generation and some even older forget our favorite players who didn't win it all. At Fenway's 100th anniversary game Kevin Millar got a bigger ovation then Dewey and almost as big as Yaz. Gee I wonder why. That was embarrassing .Rick Middleton is one of my favorite Bruins of all time. I don't care that he didn't win a Cup. They had to play the Canadiens of 76-79 who I think were the best team in my lifetime.
 
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Not at all. A lot of great pitchers haven't won WS titles. It just seems this generation and some even older forget our favorite players who didn't win it all. At Fenway's 100th anniversary game Kevin Millar got a bigger ovation then Dewey and almost as big as Yaz. Gee I wonder why. That was embarrassing .Rick Middleton is one of my favorite Bruins of all time. I don't care that he didn't win a Cup. They had to play the Canadiens of 76-79 who I think were the best team in my lifetime.
Is there an arguement against Clemens being a great pitcher? Whose saying that?

What Pedro did in 2000 is basically untouchable by every metric. A close second is what he did in 99. And that is well before he won a ring. Peak Pedro blows out peak Clemens - Boston, Toronto, or NYY version - and it's not close.

And that's nothing against Clemens. Pedro submitted the best pitching season of all time in 2000. For a full year, he was the best pitcher ever. And I dont think that's hyperbole.
 

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Is there an arguement against Clemens being a great pitcher? Whose saying that?

What Pedro did in 2000 is basically untouchable by every metric. A close second is what he did in 99. And that is well before he won a ring. Peak Pedro blows out peak Clemens - Boston, Toronto, or NYY version - and it's not close.

And that's nothing against Clemens. Pedro submitted the best pitching season of all time in 2000. For a full year, he was the best pitcher ever. And I dont think that's hyperbole.
Yeah.. nobody’s saying Clemens wasn’t good.. there’s a lot of other differences than just World Series titles.. Pedro was other worldly for a stretch.. and it’s longer than 98-2000. Even when Pedro wasn’t vintage completely unhittable Pedro he had so many pitches other than his fastball that he was still great.
 

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Not at all. A lot of great pitchers haven't won WS titles. It just seems this generation and some even older forget our favorite players who didn't win it all. At Fenway's 100th anniversary game Kevin Millar got a bigger ovation then Dewey and almost as big as Yaz. Gee I wonder why. That was embarrassing .Rick Middleton is one of my favorite Bruins of all time. I don't care that he didn't win a Cup. They had to play the Canadiens of 76-79 who I think were the best team in my lifetime.
You 100% missed my point.