8/2 Celts vs. Blazers

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How is it that NBA officials suck so bad? It makes no sense to me.
 

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Tried to piss that one away with the blown 24 point lead, turnover after the time out late in the 4th, the back court that wasn't a backcourt violation, and not coming up clean with the Theis collision loose ball but it's still a W
 

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Feel the same but I wonder when or even if Kemba will ever be free of knee issues.
Pretty sure Kemba is fine, but they set out a plan to gradually increase his minutes before the playoffs, and they're sticking with it.
 

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I still have no idea how you're supposed to defend this Cs team unless you have philly like length at all positions, 4 guys that can go off for 30 on any night.
 

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It's going to be tough to win a title if the Celtics have to play 5 against 8 in crunch time every game that's close.
 

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Someday soon Theis will get a call in his favor. I feel it coming.
It is absurd. He gets no love on the offensive or defensive end. The and one chance where he got hit on the head/neck while converting a lay up made me sad.
 

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I still have no idea how you're supposed to defend this Cs team unless you have philly like length at all positions, 4 guys that can go off for 30 on any night.
When they are moving the ball and putting in full effort on D, they are extremely tough. The wings just give pretty much everyone fits.

Funny to think how wrong most people were about Jaylen even though he was a 3 pick. Ingram has taken the scenic route but he and Jaylen have turned into a more than worthy 2/3.
 

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He is what I Imagine Bill Bradley was like in the 1970s in terms of just sounding wiser and more thoughtful than everyone around him
 

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How is it that NBA officials suck so bad? It makes no sense to me.
How is it that certain refs are back year after year even though they’re horrible? Marc Davis for example. Used to think for years that the excuse of the game being too fast wasn’t a legit excuse of the nba was hiring and keeping employed refs in there 60s and 70s.. Joey Crawford alone let me know the nba prefers loyalty to the brand over competence.

Edit: as an aside.. I wonder when the last time the celts has a player in the top ten in free throw attempts. Tatum is currently at 33rd with 4.75 fta/game.. only 7 less than harden per game on average.
 

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How is it that certain refs are back year after year even though they’re horrible? Marc Davis for example. Used to think for years that the excuse of the game being too fast wasn’t a legit excuse of the nba was hiring and keeping employed refs in there 60s and 70s.. Joey Crawford alone let me know the nba prefers loyalty to the brand over competence.

Edit: as an aside.. I wonder when the last time the celts has a player in the top ten in free throw attempts.
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Someone needs to leak the idea that NBA Refs are jingoistic assholes who hate Germans in Onion like fashion.
"Yea ever since Dirk Retired they simply hate Germany and the German people. I hear many wont even buy german cars!" "Its true....look at talents like Schroder, Wagner and Kleber, These are good young exciting players who are being marginalized by Teutophobia. " When asked the NBA responded by saying "We love our international players, they make the game exciting not only in the US but for millions around the world. France, Brazil, Greece of course and Italy all help make the NBA what it is." When asked specifically about German players they responded with "No further comment." Roff Henrikson of the German anti defamation league said "The NBA needs to show its acceptance of all cultures. By targeting Germanic players they are risking the possibility of alienating millions of fans of German descent, not only here but around the world". All this comes as some German players are considering wearing "Oppressed" on their jerseys.
 

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Here's the last 2 minute report's explanation of the backcourt turnover call:
The ball crosses the plane of the midcourt line, changing its status from backcourt to frontcourt on the pass by Tatum (BOS). Hayward (BOS) then receives the pass after having his foot planted in the backcourt and never establishing position in the frontcourt. This is a correctly called backcourt violation and it is not a reviewable matter.
So with respect to determining if the ball made it to the frontcourt in the first place, it doesn't matter whether Tatum ever established himself in the frontcourt, it's solely based on the location of the ball itself, but to establish if the ball wound up in the backcourt as it was received by Hayward, all that matters is whether Hayward established himself, not whether the ball itself was actually in the backcourt. Seems inconsistent.
 

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Here's the last 2 minute report's explanation of the backcourt turnover call:

So with respect to determining if the ball made it to the frontcourt in the first place, it doesn't matter whether Tatum ever established himself in the frontcourt, it's solely based on the location of the ball itself, but to establish if the ball wound up in the backcourt as it was received by Hayward, all that matters is whether Hayward established himself, not whether the ball itself was actually in the backcourt. Seems inconsistent.
That is the stupidest rule. So neither player was in the frontcourt, but somehow the ball was in the frontcourt and then the backcourt again even if the player who caught it was in the frontcourt but had not landed yet...so the ball can establish its location just by being in the air but a player can not? That also is not how it works for out of bounds with respect to the ball...sure seems like the NBA is covering for its terrible officiating once again.
 

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I've read a Reddit thread discussing just that play and the result there was the same:
-It was the correct ruling
-It is an incredibly stupid rule

Both players and the ball were moving forward but a backcourt violation happenend because this is the rare exception where the position of the ball (not in controll of a player) is important when deciding if the ball is in the frontcourt and not either players feet.

Obviously this is super rarely enforced, since all outlet passes that are caught by a player with his hands in the frontcourt and his feet still on the line should be ruled a backcourt violation by this standard. One reddit user even found a fitting play of Harden on the same day that wasn't called a backcourt violation (because if you watch the clip/pic, why would someone even think about that being a backcourt violation).

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