9/20 Pats at Seattle

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Except on the 2-point conversion not long before. Twice on the goal line, Seattle stopped Cam on that play.
On the 2 point conversion they had WRs in the game and spread out. They didn't have the power unit in. The power unit got the first down and then the TD, and then they changed personnel for the 2 pt conversion.
 

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No longer dealing with the unprecedented career of Brady with every loss, so I can enjoy the fact that we came very close to beating a top 2-3 team in the league. Cam's been fantastic. Defense didn't have their best day.
 

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By the way...this team showed a lot of grit tonight. Cam was, except for that one terrible throw, pretty awesome. 397 yards passing and a TD, 47 rushing yards and 2 TD. Almost led them back to a great win.

Gives me hope for the season.
 

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Bad clock management. Should have used that time out. Would have had an extra two plays.
If they use the time out, the catch by the goalline basically ends the game. They may not be able to get up in time to spike it.

You keep the TO because it opens up the playbook. If you have no TOs and 20s, then you're basically throwing into the end zone. With the time out the defense has to defend the whole field and risk catch and runs into the end zone.
 

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Except on the 2-point conversion not long before. Twice on the goal line, Seattle stopped Cam on that play.
Totally different play call. No one had stopped the power run yet this year until that play, plus they'd already shown that they're willing to play action out of it
 

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I thought before the play when I saw Edelman on the sidelines it was a mistake going with the jumbo package. The play is too one dimensional, Seattle has already stopped it on the two point try, and the one wrinkle (flipping it to the fullback) he already been used. Would have liked a bootleg with some receivers in the end zone while also giving Cam the option to run it.

Oh well, a good game and lots to build on. He got a lot of shit but Harry made big catches all night.
 

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That would have been a sensational catch. Falling backwards, leaping, a defender all over him, and that throw was zipped in there.
If we’re what if’ing, I’d like to see if Harry could’ve made the end zone on his catch if he didn’t go down with contact. But, on that catch in particular, it looked like it was a solid tackle.
 

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If our biggest issue is giving the Belichicks 5-6 weeks to figure out the defense and the losses of Hightower/Chung/Harmon/VanNoy/Collins/Roberts, then this is going to be a really fucking enjoyable season. I’ll take my chances with this secondary and BB scheming things up.
 

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Maybe the least upset I have been about a Pats loss in 15+ years. Sea is a very good team (top 3 NFC).
Cam looked awesome honestly. Seems like they gotta let him throw a bit more.
The D (the supposed strength) was a weak point, giving up 35 and the Pats score 30 and lose.

Tip the cap to Russ and their O.
AGreed
Especially the first part

Rather lose now, fix it and win in February than go 18-0 and lose in February


Wilson is a class act, on the field and off
 

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Jules miss by inches. Plus nearly getting OOB to stop the clock at around 18 seconds with a TO left to open everything up.

Wish Harry could have just brute forced his way backwards across the plane.

Fun game. Still can’t Seattle they tried a bomb on 3rd and 1 despite gashing the run D for much of the night. What a gift that nearly was when their own D wasn’t looking very good.
 

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Wilson saying they knew Cam was taking the ball. They were on the two yard line. I get that Cam isn’t fast, but we’ve seen him rolling out looking for a receiver at that distance and running it in if there wasn’t a target. Seattle had that play covered.
 

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If they use the time out, the catch by the goalline basically ends the game. They may not be able to get up in time to spike it.

You keep the TO because it opens up the playbook. If you have no TOs and 20s, then you're basically throwing into the end zone. With the time out the defense has to defend the whole field and risk catch and runs into the end zone.
Yep. You can maybe make a case for spiking the ball but it was definitely right to not use the TO there.
 

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For those who may have missed it, Russell just spent a good chunk of his postgame interview sending love to his former Wisconsin teammate James White, and wishing him well. Tough guy not to like.

That said, if the Super Bowl rematch rolls around, I’ll figure out a way.
 

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I thought before the play when I saw Edelman on the sidelines it was a mistake going with the jumbo package. The play is too one dimensional, Seattle has already stopped it on the two point try, and the one wrinkle (flipping it to the fullback) he already been used. Would have liked a bootleg with some receivers in the end zone while also giving Cam the option to run it.

Oh well, a good game and lots to build on. He got a lot of shit but Harry made big catches all night.
Again, they did not stop it on the 2 pt try. They stopped a Cam run with Edelman and other WRs on the field. They had not stopped the power package which threatens a run in different directions or the play action that got them the prior TD.
 

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Can't believe we were able to get Cam basically for free. He looks fantastic. Also great to see Harry making real catches down the stretch
 

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If the Pats can enter their bye week 3-2 I like their chances to at least win the division again and make a little noise in the playoffs, given what we know about how Belichick teams tend to peak late.
 

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I don't know how anyone can really be upset about that. First of all, what a game. Second, we were inches from beating a top ten team on the road despite losing a key offensive player two hours before kickoff.

Cam was spectacular. Spectacular.
 

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That game is an L on the schedule even with


You should send your resume to the Pats.
Exactly...and let's be honest here ..in a game thread like this, my response was laughable ...to actually speculate on the play call ...it is just silly..silly
 

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Except on the 2-point conversion not long before. Twice on the goal line, Seattle stopped Cam on that play.
Im sure we’ll see more wrinkles out of that look as teams key in. The FB rollout was good. Gotta get some TE involvement there too.

Eager for Harris too.
 

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Tough loss. Josh called some real head-scratchers. He may have a tumor.
We have been lamenting odd Josh's sometimes odd plays calls for 15 years ( minus a few Broncos years). End of the day he got us to within 2 yards of a win.

This game is an overall positive. I refused some gentleman bets with Sea friends since I honestly didn't think it would be this close. Cam and the O are showing some stuff. Let us not forget Pats were without a huge weapon in White (thoughts to him and his family).
 

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Wilson saying they knew Cam was taking the ball. They were on the two yard line. I get that Cam isn’t fast, but we’ve seen him rolling out looking for a receiver at that distance and running it in if there wasn’t a target. Seattle had that play covered.
I mean, they also "knew" Cam was taking the ball when they play actioned out of it the last time they saw it
 

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You can’t account for the butterdly effect but that bad sequence and missed FG in 1st half loomed large. While it is overall as encouraging a loss as I think you can have the lack of confidence at kicker is a hard thing to overcome when you’re playing the best teams in the league
 

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Never been a McDaniels fan. And probably never will be.
Says more about you than him given that the greatest coach in football history has used him as a key offensive coach for the greatest sustained run of high level offensive play in NFL history.

they had 30 points and what, 400 yards passing with that offensive talent?

play calls always look bad when your line gets blown up
 

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McDaniels isn’t perfect, but that last play is not evidence of that. The horizontal looks to Burkhead today on two third downs against a very fast D with Adams lurking at all times were my issue.

He knows what he’s doing.
 

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Says more about you than him given that the greatest coach in football history has used him as a key offensive coach for the greatest sustained run of high level offensive play in NFL history.

they had 30 points and what, 400 yards passing with that offensive talent?

play calls always look bad when your line gets blown up
All true. That last play call was absolute shit.