9/20 Pats at Seattle

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Yep. You can maybe make a case for spiking the ball but it was definitely right to not use the TO there.
I would have spiked it but I don't think it's a huge deal. They end up getting the same 3 plays that they got without spiking it, but they actually get to call a play. Of course the defense also gets to call a play so not sure how much that really benefits them.
 

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With that power package at the end, they ran it about 4 times in the game, and each time it was effective - first downs and touchdowns.

The failed 2 pt conversion attempt came with 11 personnel - Harry, Byrd, Edelman, and Michel on the field. They tried to open up more space and it failed pretty miserably.
 

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That Seattle defense may be like bottom of the league bad. Going to make it hard to win playoff games.
Pass rush is the worst in the league. They have to blitz to get any pressure. And losing Irvin is going to hurt; he's one of the few guys that's gotten pressure before.
 

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Had to take a few minutes away, but I really hated both the call and execution on that final play.
I think you need to show your work there. That formation and play has been the best weapon this team had in the first two games and almost universally effective. The Seahwaks had been powerless to stop it up until that play.

If they'd gone a different direction it would have been much more worth of second guessing.

The execution was obviously awful.
 

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Had to take a few minutes away, but I really hated both the call and execution on that final play.
It's tough to execute a play when all 11 guys on defense have sold out to stop it. Which is why some sort of one step, stop and pass to TE would probably be open ..of course, if that did not work, we would all be saying why didn't you do what you do best and run it in from the one?
 

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It's tough to execute a play when all 11 guys on defense have sold out to stop it. Which is why some sort of one step, stop and pass to TE would probably be open ..of course, if that did not work, we would all be saying why didn't you do what you do best and run it in from the one?
I think you have to give Cam the run pass option and trust he’ll make the right decision. Izzo would have been open had he released. Nobody stayed back. Impossible situation for Cam.
 

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seems like the high% play


From @ESPNStatsInfo: In his career, Cam Newton was 16-of-20 (80%) scoring on rushes from the 1-yard line before getting stuffed on the final play. That included 2 rushing TD earlier in the game vs the Seahawks.
 

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Without a doubt. Cam’s ability to lift this collection of offensive talent that outside of Edelman are mostly a bunch of stiffs to a near comeback win on the road against Seattle is impressive.
Yeah.. not sure what kind of development Harry has done in the off season..but Cam has made him look pretty good.. along with the two other guys that I can't even think of their names at the moment.
 

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I don't hate using Cam as a runner on the last play, I just wish there was more than just the option of him straight into that one side. Maybe have Burkhead back there and do a quasi RPO since I doubt they'd respect Rex and even still, an ounce of hesitation by the defense goes a long ways.

Encouraged after a loss, which is a weird feeling. Cam looks spectacular. Hopefully McDaniels improves once he has a better handle on what he's working with
 

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I'm not mad, just a bit deflated. Cam looked great all game, and while I wish he went outside on that last play, the loss is clearly not on his shoulders. Guy balled out. I love him.
 

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I don't hate using Cam as a runner on the last play, I just wish there was more than just the option of him straight into that one side. Maybe have Burkhead back there and do a quasi RPO since I doubt they'd respect Rex and even still, an ounce of hesitation by the defense goes a long ways.

Encouraged after a loss, which is a weird feeling. Cam looks spectacular. Hopefully McDaniels improves once he has a better handle on what he's working with
If you go back and look at the play, Cam had the easy bounce out to the left pylon. He could've walked in. He has at times waited to see how the blocking unfolds but didn't in this case. The entire left side of the defense was hemmed in and pancaked.
 

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Can’t help but be encouraged at what we saw. Went tooth and nail with a really good team on the road. As for the last play, it’s really tough to run that play when everyone knows it’s coming. If they were going to run Cam with the game in the balance with the jumbo package do it under center so he only has to gain a yard and not 3 or 4 because he’s in the gun. Under center he’s so big he can use his leverage to hit a gap and drive his legs. If he’s lined up in the gun, the formation should be spread out some more so that there are less defenders around the box. He could run against a less dense box or roll out and have a run pass option.

Running game wise, we were so bad especially after last week.

Defensively, a lot needs to be cleaned up but it also took 2 Russ dimes to beat really good coverage for TDs.

Build on this and get better, but we found out that Cam can only fact throw the ball vertically. Edelman was outstanding, Byrd was solid, and Harry made some tough catches. He’s coming along slowly, but there’s enough to work with if Cam continues to show confidence in him.
 

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If you go back and look at the play, Cam had the easy bounce out to the left pylon. He could've walked in. He has at times waited to see how the blocking unfolds but didn't in this case. The entire left side of the defense was hemmed in and pancaked.
There were guys that may have had the speed to catch him going to the sideline but we’ll never know.
 

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If you go back and look at the play, Cam had the easy bounce out to the left pylon. He could've walked in. He has at times waited to see how the blocking unfolds but didn't in this case. The entire left side of the defense was hemmed in and pancaked.
Cam said after he saw the clip that he could’ve bounced it outside or just jumped over the top. Said once you start guessing against that defense you’re dead. Said that play was there all night.
 

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Cam said after he saw the clip that he could’ve bounced it outside or just jumped over the top. Said once you start guessing against that defense you’re dead. Said that play was there all night.
Good to know. Thank you. Easy for me sitting on my couch where I can just press rewind and watch it unfold in slow motion. I recall thinking before the snap either stall your run for a split moment or rollout wide bc Seattle will totally sell out for the between the tackles QB run. Again though not a football guy... and I trust Cam and the staff's assessment of what was necessary there way more than my own.
 

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Good to know. Thank you. Easy for me sitting on my couch where I can just press rewind and watch it unfold in slow motion. I recall thinking before the snap either stall your run for a split moment or rollout wide bc Seattle will totally sell out for the between the tackles QB run. Again though not a football guy... and I trust Cam and the staff's assessment of what was necessary there way more than my own.
I do think that as the staff gets more used to Cam they will get better at calling plays that take way more advantage of his strengths. It is still way early in this relationship.
 

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Good to know. Thank you. Easy for me sitting on my couch where I can just press rewind and watch it unfold in slow motion. I recall thinking before the snap either stall your run for a split moment or rollout wide bc Seattle will totally sell out for the between the tackles QB run. Again though not a football guy... and I trust Cam and the staff's assessment of what was necessary there way more than my own.
Yeah I hear you. I just wish if he was in the gun that they spread the formation out so there was less people in the box.
 

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If you go back and look at the play, Cam had the easy bounce out to the left pylon. He could've walked in. He has at times waited to see how the blocking unfolds but didn't in this case. The entire left side of the defense was hemmed in and pancaked.
I haven’t seen it beyond the live play so thanks for that, it makes sense. I can’t really get upset at using Cam like that to try and win the game. Tip your cap and get the Raiders next week
 

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People calling for a spread formation on that last play need to realize that Brady isn't walking through that door. That worked because of Brady and his familiarity with the offense. I haven't seen Cam audible too much so far this season and that's usually a requirement of the spread at the goal line. Cam is two games into this offense with no preseason, that was the right call. The OL was to blame, they got destroyed on that play in a situation where Seattle's defense should have been completely gassed.

Great fucking game.
 

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if #71 blocked maybe a TD, #47 (fullback Johnson) also dind't have a great block.

they had no right to be one play away. Pete almost botched this. nothing to be discouraged about
 

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What about the defense tho? Needs some help
It’s hard to tell because Wilson made some absolutely perfect throws. You take away those two TDs that were just rainbowed in there and it’s not a terrible showing. Perfect execution is always going to be nearly impossible to defend.

The special teams were also not great, but some of that seems to be coaching and fixable - like I assume they’ll stop running balls out of the end zone if they can’t find a kick returner who can constantly get them past the 25.

I don’t think this is a Super Bowl team, but we’ve looked better out of the gate than past Patriots teams that have been. It was a tough loss, but an encouraging night.