9/9 C’s vs Raps Game 6

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It's all good. Everybody played hard and had a fun time. Nurse got to cosplay a Celtics player, it was basically Halloween out there!

Brad Stevens: "They were playing hard, we were playing hard. It was a great basketball game."
I agree, Toronto played really well and gave full effort. Lowry shot his brains out.

But Brad, bubby, pal, some other things significantly detracted from your teams effective

Both things can be true. Saying the refs sucked is not saying Toronto didn’t play a great game. Call it fair and let the great play decide the game.

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I agree, Toronto played really well and gave full effort. Lowry shot his brains out.

But Brad, bubby, pal, some other things significantly detracted from your teams effectives.

Both things can be true. Saying the refs sucked is not saying Toronto didn’t play a great game. Call it fair and let the great play decide the game.
He has a warped set of ethics when it comes to criticizing officials.
 

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I thought the Raptor's box and 1 PLUS an ER Nurse taking away the corner 3 was some cutting edge D.

kudos to the coaching staff
Nurse did say he was going to ‘have to give it is all, on both ends tonite.’ Drew up a defensive gem to get a 6th player on the court.
 

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I try never to blame officiating. But this game. I’m beside myself. Refs 1 / Celtics 0.

Someone important needs to call them out for what they are.
 

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I try never to blame officiating. But this game. I’m beside myself. Refs 1 / Celtics 0.

Someone important needs to call them out for what they are.
I still can’t calm down after this one. There were so many plays that were called for a Toronto that added up had an effect on the game. I hate doing this. I never try to blame officiating either. But you’re not watching the game if you couldn’t see it.
 

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Was hoping Marcus would back up into him at one point while he was camping out on that side and make him think twice about doing it again. Would write that into the gameplan Friday.
 

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I still can’t calm down after this one. There were so many plays that were called for a Toronto that added up had an effect on the game. I hate doing this. I never try to blame officiating either. But you’re not watching the game if you couldn’t see it.
I'm livid after this game.. and it's making me question whether or not I want to watch Friday's game or continue to watch the NBA.. I don't like being this angry.
 

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I still can’t calm down after this one. There were so many plays that were called for a Toronto that added up had an effect on the game. I hate doing this. I never try to blame officiating either. But you’re not watching the game if you couldn’t see it.
Nobody likes playing the ref card-but it seemed the Raps got all the 50-50 calls tonight.
 

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Giving up the three immediately after Marcus hit his, I mean JFC, the interior defense has been pretty great, you WANT them trying to find daylight against our longer players, not getting freaking wide open looks.

Have very little faith in their judgment on either end when things are tight. Meanwhile on their end, Toronto is planting themselves in every ballhandler’s shorts. The difference is stark.
 

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Isn't there a replay rule where if another foul is observed outside of the one that's being reviewed that they can change the call? Theis was fouled three times on that play.
That's what pissed me off the most. Should have been a common foul, Celts ball oob. He was lucky he got to that rebound.
 

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Giving up the three immediately after Marcus hit his, I mean JFC, the interior defense has been pretty great, you WANT them trying to find daylight against our longer players, not getting freaking wide open looks.

Have very little faith in their judgment on either end when things are tight. Meanwhile on their end, Toronto is planting themselves in every ballhandler’s shorts. The difference is stark.
Just think about it.. In the fourth quarter and both OTs.. the Celts went to the rim a bunch of times.. did they get a single foul call (I can't recall). If you attack the rim and don't get a call, even with contact, vs. the other way where calls are made with regularity? I don't know how kids in there 20s keep their composure. Kemba got fouled, Theis got fouled a number of times, etc.

Toronto didn't get called for fouls.. the Celts did. I think the hustle both ways was legit. .. just don't tell me that Brown and Tatum can get covered by Lowry or the other guy (I can't remember his name right now) with zero calls. Tatum and Brown both have huge height advantages and got basically zero calls late.
 

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Just think about it.. In the fourth quarter and both OTs.. the Celts went to the rim a bunch of times.. did they get a single foul call (I can't recall). If you attack the rim and don't get a call, even with contact, vs. the other way where calls are made with regularity? I don't know how kids in there 20s keep their composure. Kemba got fouled, Theis got fouled a number of times, etc.

Toronto didn't get called for fouls.. the Celts did. I think the hustle both ways was legit. .. just don't tell me that Brown and Tatum can get covered by Lowry or the other guy (I can't remember his name right now) with zero calls. Tatum and Brown both have huge height advantages and got basically zero calls late.
the alley oop to brown got a call, don't remember any others late in the game

oh, and tatum got call on a drive to start overtime... of course that got negated by the bullshit technical on an inadvertent elbow
 

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the alley oop to brown got a call, don't remember any others late in the game

oh, and tatum got call on a drive to start overtime... of course that got negated by the bullshit technical on an inadvertent elbow
I think that's what angered me tonite.. this game was rewritten a few times at the officiating table during reviews.. with all of the decisions going basically one way. It took all of those collective decisions to have the Raps win by 3.. including but definitely not limited to 7 extra FTs.
 

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What’s annoying is that all the key calls went against Boston, but the NBA can simply point out that they called 26 fouls on Toronto and 25 on Boston, so to say that they didn’t call any fouls on Toronto runs counter to the data.

It’s annoying because it should have been more and they missed some egregious ones against Kemba, then the Nurse play, the Tatum T, the Theis overturn, and event he Tatum foul on the alley-oop that didn’t cost Boston anything but still.

Yet... 26 against Tor and 25 against Bos.
 

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I kinda wonder if this type of shit bothers his players. Like this guy WILL NOT advocate for you against the officials, how does that make guys feel?
He doesn't blow his top, but it looks like he's talking at the nearest ref throughout the game.
I wonder if nurse getting as much time on camera as the players bothers his players?
 

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Nurse helped win his players a title and has them 1 game away from ECF in a series they have no business winning. I’m sure his players are cool with him.
 

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Of all the absurd calls, the offensive foul where Tatum just initiated contact - like players are praised for all night long - as part of a drive to the hoop, was the most ludicrous.

It's maybe the most common move in NBA basketball. But VanVleet is small, so.
 

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Of all the absurd calls, the offensive foul where Tatum just initiated contact - like players are praised for all night long - as part of a drive to the hoop, was the most ludicrous.

It's maybe the most common move in NBA basketball. But VanVleet is small, so.
Was that the one where, on the ensuing Toronto possession, Siakim did the same thing and drew a foul on Grant?
 

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the alley oop to brown got a call, don't remember any others late in the game

oh, and tatum got call on a drive to start overtime... of course that got negated by the bullshit technical on an inadvertent elbow
What was terrible about that call is that the only reason Tatum's elbow was flying loose was that it was knocked off the ball by the Lowry (IIRC) foul. It is an indefensible and insane ruling.

I get focusing on elbows and possible concussion events---but on that play the way to prevent one is to assess Lowry with the flagrant for the force of the initial contact, not blame the victim for the reality of physics after the initial contact
 

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I think the most surprising aspect about the Nick Nurse shit was how Mark Jackson very clearly and emphatically called it out on the broadcast.

No one on the game thread noticed it, when I went back and looked. They will fine Nurse $5,000, and make it a 'point of emphasis' in the officiating of game 7.

Toronto is a proud team, but last night is going to be their last, desperate gasp for air. The Celtics are so much younger, and they will be much fresher Friday night.

Hopefully this team will learn that if you are going to drive to the basket in the last possession of the game you better score, because short of getting DDT'd into the court the refs are not blowing a whistle.
 
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Toronto is a proud team, but last night is going to be their last, desperate gasp for air. The Celtics are so much younger, and they will be much fresher Friday night.
Not so sure about that. Lowry, FVV and Siakam have been playing big minutes all series.

I love our guys, but if the game is close at the end, Lowry has consistently shown the ability to deliver on that stage. FVV has been clutch, too.
 

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For those not tuned in to Sports Boston. Two articles on how the Raptors cheat the 3-second rule:

Are Raptors exploiting an NBA rules loophole with defense vs. Celtics?

If you've watched this Celtics-Raptors second-round series, you've probably noticed Toronto relies pretty heavily on a zone defense.

What you may not have noticed is that the Raptors' unique defense is consistently exploiting a blind spot of NBA officiating: the defensive three-second violation.
Raptors' defensive cheat code is Game 6 key

Last May, researchers at The Pudding -- a popular data viz site that rarely dabbles in sports -- discovered something while mining the NBA’s Last Two Minute reports. Researchers Russell Goldenberg and Owen Phillips found that, between 2015 and 2018, NBA game-reviewing officials assessed over 1,400 games and identified 141 instances of defensive three seconds in the last two minutes of close games.

Of those 141 instances, game referees called exactly one. It was, by far, the most-missed call by officials, having gone undetected in 99.3 percent of instances. By contrast, traveling calls were missed 79.4 percent of the time and kicked-ball violations were misses 16.3 percent of the time.

Basically, Lowry dared the officials and they either didn’t see it or deliberately swallowed their whistles. In the next day’s Last Two Minutes Report, the NBA ruled an incorrect no-call on Lowry for defensive three seconds.
 

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Not that it matters, but NBA actually admitted Kemba got fouled in the last 2 minute report. Of course, they also say that was the only incorrect call in the entire last 2 minutes and both OTs. Daniel Theis would beg to differ...