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Bergs said:Some more details of the drive-by coming to light:
http://msn.foxsports.com/nfl/story/aaron-hernandez-may-have-been-shooter-in-2012-boston-killings-011614

Bergs said:Some more details of the drive-by coming to light:
http://msn.foxsports.com/nfl/story/aaron-hernandez-may-have-been-shooter-in-2012-boston-killings-011614
MentalDisabldLst said:
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Rovin Romine said:
There was the Odin Lloyd murder. Criminal case - charged and held pending trial.
The 2012 Boston double homicide. (Post nightclub shooting.) Vics Daniel Abreu and Safiro Furtado. Perhaps tied to Lloyd ratting? Investigation only, no charges filed yet.
The 2013 Miami shooting (no death). Vic - Alexander Bradley, shot in Miami, dropped off in Revere Beach. Civil case only right now?
The 2007 Gainseville shooting (no death). Vic - Corey Smith + one other man. Open criminal case. http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/eye-on-football/22623598/report-mass-authorities-interested-in-details-of-07-gainesville-shooting
It happened in the wee hours of Halloween morning 1967.
Reputed Mafia lieutenant Thomas Altamura (“Tommy A” to his friends and associates, “The Enforcer” to his victims and the police), nattily attired in a blue silk suit, strolled through the doorway of the Harbor Lounge, a popular watering hole attached to The Place for Steak restaurant on the 79th Street Causeway in North Bay Village. A large man seated alongside a woman at the bar stood up, walked behind Altamura, pulled out a .38, and pumped two bullets into his head, followed by three more shots into his back and sides. Altamura crumpled to the ground, a pool of blood forming a grotesque halo. Patrons scrambled for cover as the killer walked back to the bar, grabbed his girlfriend by the arm, and exited into the night.
soxfan121 said:
Well, cross them off the list then.
Harry Hooper said:
Yeah, lived, but the one who was shot in the head certainly experienced life-altering permanent damage.
soxhop411 said:“@BenVolin: As @corryjoel noted, another murder charge will make Hernandez's grievance moot and #Patriots should be able to recover full $12.5m bonus”
https://twitter.com/BenVolin/status/423881607359918080
Ed Hillel said:
I saw this myself and was wondering if anyone knew if that would take away the cap charge as well. That would be really huge.
Thanks in Advance.
Love,
EH
dcmissle said:
An anachronism (though not magnificient), like Gen. Patton, born too late:
Read more at http://oceandrive.com/style/articles/miamis-most-famous-mob-hit#pfWVLh4cyleFiLG8.99
soxfan121 said:
I was quoting Major League. Sorry for a poor attempt at levity.
Shelterdog said:
I'm not a sports lawyer or anything but like that but I looked at the CBA a while ago and as I understand it the money stays on the cap unless the Pats (1) actually get real cash money back from Hernandez--which ain't happening because that money is fucking gone or going fast to lawyers--or (2) have a specially designated insurance policy referenced in the Hernandez contract. (The discussion is primarily on page 96 of the CBA if anyone wants to look for themselves). I tweeted some of the reporters who were opining about Hernandez to ask if they knew if there was an insurance policy but I got bupkis.
Joel Corry @corryjoel 1h
@OFox0220 @BenVolin Pats can't get cap relief from anything they don't collect from Hernandez. Any $$ already paid has probably been spent.
@corryjoel 1h
@OFox0220 There should be cap relief eventually for the $3.25M of signing bonus deferred until 3/31/14.
Joel Corry @corryjoel 1h
@JasonPhilCole It will effectively end Hernandez's grievance for the $3.25M signing bonus payment due on 3/31 & $2.46M in salary guarantees.
I think your interpretation is correct - the key is that some of the signing bonus hasn't been paid yet, so the Pats don't have to get it back from Hernandez. Here are Corry's follow-up Tweets:Shelterdog said:
I'm not a sports lawyer or anything but like that but I looked at the CBA a while ago and as I understand it the money stays on the cap unless the Pats (1) actually get real cash money back from Hernandez--which ain't happening because that money is fucking gone or going fast to lawyers--or (2) have a specially designated insurance policy referenced in the Hernandez contract. (The discussion is primarily on page 96 of the CBA if anyone wants to look for themselves). I tweeted some of the reporters who were opining about Hernandez to ask if they knew if there was an insurance policy but I got bupkis.
Rovin Romine said:
Thanks for the link. I love old Miami stuff. The 79th Street Causeway is very sedate now-a-days (and right around the corner from where I live.) The biggest recent news off the causeway was this: http://www.miamiherald.com/2013/06/13/3450248/breaking-deck-collapses-at-shuckers.html
I've eaten lunch at Shuckers a number of times. One of the few places you can eat on the water. Or, in the water.
Super Nomario said:I think your interpretation is correct - the key is that some of the signing bonus hasn't been paid yet, so the Pats don't have to get it back from Hernandez. Here are Corry's follow-up Tweets:
So they probably can't do anything about the money they've already paid out, but it sounds like they'll have grounds to get cap relief on what hasn't been paid yet.
Joshv02 said:I haven't followed this very closely; I tried to search the thread but I didn't see any one post that lays it out, and I'm an idiot, so I'll see if I can recap something and have someone tell me I'm confusing everything:
Alexander Bradley:
(1) Alleged to be in the 4Runner with Hernandez during the shooting outside Cure? (Witnesses differ on if Bradley or Hernandez did the shooting) (And part of the info that the state has is in the form of recorded conversations from Bradley while he was in jail?)
(2) Bradley is the dude who was in the car when Hernandez was pulled over going over 100 MPH before the AFC Championship game?
(3) Hernandez is alleged to have shot Bradley and left him on the side of the road in Florida; Bradley then made his way into some store, refused to ID his shooter to the police, then sued Hernandez a few months later.
Is that about right?
Wait, was the victim 18? I don't see why you go for two there.Rovin Romine said:He was 17 at the time - give the kid a break.
bakahump said:Guess I dont understand why they cant get "Cap relief" unless they get real actual money back.
The Cap is this imaginary thing the league maintains. Its not like they actually gave them a pile of 125 million dollars for 2015 and said thats all you get. This is basically a line on the ledger....
Its just idiotic to me that in theory the league would have no problem if he Killed someone.....then volunteered to give his money back and decided to live a monastic life in prison after having a public defender. "oh they got actual money back so he is off the cap!" Yet if the Pats ask for "Cap relief" even realizing that the actual money they gave him is gone the League says no no no.
Wait until a player dies after signing some Mega Signing bonus....they better say the same thing about Johnny Manziel when he wraps a ferrari around a tree. Sure its ok now because the big bad Patriots are getting screwed but any fan with half a brain has to realize that this is terrible for their teams.....and if something is terrible for the Fans and teams then its terrible for the NFL.
bakahump said:Guess I dont understand why they cant get "Cap relief" unless they get real actual money back.
The Cap is this imaginary thing the league maintains. Its not like they actually gave them a pile of 125 million dollars for 2015 and said thats all you get. This is basically a line on the ledger....
Its just idiotic to me that in theory the league would have no problem if he Killed someone.....then volunteered to give his money back and decided to live a monastic life in prison after having a public defender. "oh they got actual money back so he is off the cap!" Yet if the Pats ask for "Cap relief" even realizing that the actual money they gave him is gone the League says no no no.
Wait until a player dies after signing some Mega Signing bonus....they better say the same thing about Johnny Manziel when he wraps a ferrari around a tree. Sure its ok now because the big bad Patriots are getting screwed but any fan with half a brain has to realize that this is terrible for their teams.....and if something is terrible for the Fans and teams then its terrible for the NFL.
This "new" murder happened before (7/16/2012) he signed the contract extension (8/27/2012). There's some language in the contract about, as Joel Corry puts it "representations of continuing availability" - I get the impression that there's some sort of boiler-plate language that says Hernandez isn't aware of anything that would impede his ability to fulfill the terms of the contract. Probably that would normally be something like an undisclosed medical condition (as in the Fanene contract), but in this case committing a murder a month before signing the deal would qualify.Eddie Jurak said:Why does "another" murder charge render Hernandez grievance moot?
mt8thsw9th said:So I'm wondering..why would a murder during the same contract not qualify?
I think Jnai's answer above is correct. Also, my understanding is that if the Pats had waited until the season started, they could have sued Hernandez for breach of contract because he through his own actions made himself unavailable to fulfill the terms of the contract. By cutting him before camp started, they essentially closed off this option. But with this murder as a pre-existing condition affecting Hernandez' availability, it means Hernandez lied in presenting himself as available to fulfill the terms of the contract.mt8thsw9th said:So I'm wondering..why would a murder during the same contract not qualify?
Dogman2 said:
Honestly, I'm shocked that someone on this site didn't get that reference.
I tend to think of murder as a post-existing condition.Super Nomario said:But with this murder as a pre-existing condition affecting Hernandez' availability.
bakahump said:Guess I dont understand why they cant get "Cap relief" unless they get real actual money back.
The Cap is this imaginary thing the league maintains. Its not like they actually gave them a pile of 125 million dollars for 2015 and said thats all you get. This is basically a line on the ledger....
Its just idiotic to me that in theory the league would have no problem if he Killed someone.....then volunteered to give his money back and decided to live a monastic life in prison after having a public defender. "oh they got actual money back so he is off the cap!" Yet if the Pats ask for "Cap relief" even realizing that the actual money they gave him is gone the League says no no no.
Wait until a player dies after signing some Mega Signing bonus....they better say the same thing about Johnny Manziel when he wraps a ferrari around a tree. Sure its ok now because the big bad Patriots are getting screwed but any fan with half a brain has to realize that this is terrible for their teams.....and if something is terrible for the Fans and teams then its terrible for the NFL.
MentalDisabldLst said:My God, bakahump made a coherent, valid point.
brb, going to stock up on canned goods and ammo.
Shelterdog said:
It's an arbitrary rule but it's the rule the came up with under the CBA so that's just the way it is.
MainerInExile said:
I hate that warning. I am paying money for the call. Let me talk.Rovin Romine said:
This is actually fairly common.
I read my clients the riot act about what they can say (nothing) to whom (no one - except for me) and a fair number of them just blab away on the phone anyway.
My fav. was a client who was interrupted by the automated periodic "this call is being recorded" warning. He was interrupted giving instructions to his out-of-custody codefendant on how the codefendant should tamper with a witness. He even tossed in the parenthetical "God I hate that stupid warning" (or something to that effect) before continuing his instructions.
pappymojo said:I hate that warning. I am paying money for the call. Let me talk.
Also, total hearsay but my brother is in jail and the word in there is that Hernandez slammed Welker into the locker last year and threatened him. Welker went to Belichick and was basically told to man up.
pappymojo said:Also, total hearsay but my brother is in jail and the word in there is that Hernandez slammed Welker into the locker last year and threatened him. Welker went to Belichick and was basically told to man up.
Billy Jo Robidoux said:
What did he do that put him in jail?
I remember you posting that story before. That's hysterical.Rovin Romine said:
This is actually fairly common.
My fav. was a client who was interrupted by the automated periodic "this call is being recorded" warning. He was interrupted giving instructions to his out-of-custody codefendant on how the codefendant should tamper with a witness. He even tossed in the parenthetical "God I hate that stupid warning" (or something to that effect) before continuing his instructions.
We may not be winning Super Bowls but we'repappymojo said:I hate that warning. I am paying money for the call. Let me talk.
Also, total hearsay but my brother is in jail and the word in there is that Hernandez slammed Welker into the locker last year and threatened him. Welker went to Belichick and was basically told to man up.
Bitch set him up.Billy Jo Robidoux said:
What did he do that put him in jail?
Basically this, plus some extreme bad luck and some bad advice from his attorney and some stupidity. The biggest lesson though is don't date miserable possessive drunk losers that will call the cops and tell lies when you dump them.Caspir said:Bitch set him up.