(Approaching the) Trade Deadline Thread

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Oilers clearing cap space for a defenseman. There were rumblings earlier that they were making progress with Chychrun and also talking with NSH about Ekholm and CBJ about Gavrikov.

(gonna be great when hockey man Ken Holland acquires Gavrikov because grit and perceived toughness instead of the other 2 far superior players who fit what the Oilers really need)

Puljujarvi will fit in nicely with Carolina. He hasn't been able to score much but is regarded as a very strong forechecker. That's something the Hurricanes doe better than everyone else, forecheck.
 

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That value seems like horseshit, but that’s what happens when you give out NTC I guess.
 

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That value seems like horseshit, but that’s what happens when you give out NTC I guess.
It’s pretty much the same trade the Bruins made for Hall. When the guy has a no move and only wants to go to one team, the trading GM is pretty screwed.
 

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Did the Caps really just move Orlov, Gustafsson, and Hathaway for an expiring Craig Smith, Rasmus Sandin, a 2nd, and a 3rd?
 

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Probably depens on your view of Sandin. I can see the appeal, he's only 22 and playing 18 minutes a night for a really good team. He's signed for $1.4 million through next year and is then an RFA. He's been a 3rd pairing player for Toronto but I'm guessing Washington is going to give him a much largter role. I suspect they view him as taking Orlov's spot. We'll see if he can handle it. 22 year old established NHL defensemen don't move often.
 

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Quick, while everyone’s distracted, the Bruins should go to Arizona with a package of Zboril/Lysell/Merkulov/Reilly/2024 1st.
I get that this is a joke, but I’d much rather a 3rd line RW to bump Nosek. Obviously Kane was my binky for that spot.

Brock Boeser would be attractive, and signed for term.

Jakub Vrana is another interesting guy, especially if he’s past his issues that put him in the players assistance program. Big, heavy body with some scoring touch.
 

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They don’t have the cap space to make Boeser or Vrana work.

There is also a lot of smoke about Boeser going to the Penguins.

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I mean, they certainly could make it work - especially if they involved a third team for retention like they did on the Orlov/Hathaway grade

Vrana makes $5.25

$5.25 X 50% retained is $2.62

$2.62 X 50% retained is $1.31

with the current available cap space, and if you’re sending someone like Greer or Nosek in the deal - it easily done.
 

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I mean, they certainly could make it work - especially if they involved a third team for retention like they did on the Orlov/Hathaway grade

Vrana makes $5.25

$5.25 X 50% retained is $2.62

$2.62 X 50% retained is $1.31

with the current available cap space, and if you’re sending someone like Greer or Nosek in the deal - it easily done.
Sure, but Vrana is under contract through next season, so the cost of retention will go up significantly. You’re asking 2 teams to pay for a player not playing for them for 1+ year.

In the case of the Orlov/Hathaway deal, Minnesota is paying like $75,000 in cash and got themselves a 5th. For Vrana, the 3rd party retention team would be paying out ~$1.6 million in actual money. The cost would be very high.
 

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Sure, but Vrana is under contract through next season, so the cost of retention will go up significantly. You’re asking 2 teams to pay for a player not playing for them for 1+ year.

In the case of the Orlov/Hathaway deal, Minnesota is paying like $75,000 in cash and got themselves a 5th. For Vrana, the 3rd party retention team would be paying out ~$1.6 million in actual money. The cost would be very high.
The Red Wings have a projected 34 million in cap space next year WITH Vrana on the books.

They, more than most, have the ability to bury 2.5 million for 2 years if the price is right.
 

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Sure, they could. Then you have the 3rd team to pan. Also, you probably need to move Reilly to make it work.

Add it all up and the bill is a big one and probably not worth what they are getting in Vrána.
 

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I know salary retention is not brand new and I don’t pay the closest attention but it sure seems like it has opened a lot of doors when it comes to the trade market, especially lately.
 

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I know salary retention is not brand new and I don’t pay the closest attention but it sure seems like it has opened a lot of doors when it comes to the trade market, especially lately.
Also I think I saw somewhere that it is limited to some extent. You are only allowed so many "retentions". Not sure if it's per year, rolling, or what. Someone here that is better on the cap help out?
 

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Also I think I saw somewhere that it is limited to some extent. You are only allowed so many "retentions". Not sure if it's per year, rolling, or what. Someone here that is better on the cap help out?
I think you can only retain 3 salaries at a time. That’s why Minnesota’s unlikely to retain anymore until the summer, when both O’Reilly and Orlov come off the books.
 

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Hall, Foligno, about a cm or two away from losing Marchand for a while…

The Bruins are starting to see what can happen to their depth real quick.

Hopefully Trader Donny has one more magic trick up his sleeve to bolder RW depth for the playoff run.

It’s looking like the only thing that can stop this team, this year is injury.
 

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Yeah the last week has made me want one more piece up-front. Nothing crazy, just give me the equivalent of the Chris Kelly in 2011. Someone who can play middle-6 minutes, not necessarily a ton of offense, but who doesn't require someone from the 4th line sliding up into larger minutes in key spots. The defense seems deep as hell right now, but I'd like a little extra buffer on the front end.
 

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The roster is pretty inflexible right now. They are carrying the max of 23 players, 13F, 8D and 2 G. They have around $500,000 in cap room, which isn't enough to call up a forward from Providence. It seems both Hall and Foligno have been ruled out for Thursday but we don't have any idea of the severity of either injury. Monty didn't seem overly concerned about Hall, so hopefully he's back sooner rather that you never know. We'll see with Foligno. They can go 11F/7D for a few games if that's all it is but it's not ideal. They don't have anyone who can be sent to Providence without waivers. Greer is a possibility to be waived but he's had a decent year and is dirt cheap for this year and next so I'm sure he'd clear.

I wouldn't be surprised to see them try to clear out Zboril either for an incoming, cheap, forward or in a separate deal to free room for said forward. They value the d depth but he's clearly not in their plans. He's played 2 games since 11/23, both as an extra D and given less than 8:00 of TOI in both. It would give the roster more balance and the D depth would remain with Reilly and Stralman as 8-9. It just kinda feels like Zboril is where Studnicka was right before his trade. Nowhere to play him, would make sense to swap him out for a similarly priced F.

Some other ancillary goals they may have before Friday. If Zboril doesn't get traded maybe they find a way to move Reilly's $1.875 burried cap hit to open cap space for the rest of the year for recalls and to cover some of the bonus money that needs to be accounted for. I don't think they'd trade both Reilly and Zboril unless there was another D coming back, but we'll see. Additionally, they are at 48/50 contracts. They may want to shed a contract or two to keep some flexibility with the NCAA signing period coming up. I'm not sure what that market looks like but if there's a McLaughlin type that they like and they ned to burn a year to sign the player they probably want the room to do so. They also have Lohrei likely signing, although my assumption is they'll do a PTO in Providence and only sign his ELC if injuries get to the point where he's a legitimate possibility to play in the NHL.
 

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FWIW, this was in KPD’s write-up for the Globe this morning:

Post-game, Montgomery had no update to offer on Foligno’s condition. He said that both Foligno and Taylor Hall (lower-body injury) would not be available for the game against Buffalo. A callup from Providence will be necessary. Foligno left the rink without the aid of crutches.
 

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Apparently we are learning that GMs don't work Fridays. Don't recall this level of trade activity right before the trade deadline, what is TSN going to do for 8hrs on Friday when there are no players left to trade and the contenders are all sitting with zero cap room.