Are the USWNT being unfairly criticized for their sportsmanship? Is it sexist?

BrazilianSoxFan

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All I said is that mocking the other country would result in a brawl in a Conmebol match. Considering how much tempers flare in these games, I fail to see what is so controversial about that statement.
 

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All I said is that mocking the other country would result in a brawl in a Conmebol match. Considering how much tempers flare in these games, I fail to see what is so controversial about that statement.
Sounds like the issue is CONMEBOL.
 

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All I said is that mocking the other country would result in a brawl in a Conmebol match. Considering how much tempers flare in these games, I fail to see what is so controversial about that statement.
Tempers flare in women's matches over things like this?
 

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I guess part of this is geopolitical; the US and England are not real political/territorial rivals the way some other nations are. Some ribbing like the Morgan celebration can be taken more as a joke between the two countries. If say, the two Korea's played a game and the a South Korean mocked some form of North Korean culture in their goal celebration, it could be interpreted very differently.
 

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Carlos Tevez once received a straight red card for mocking River by flapping his arms like a chicken. It was a Libertadores semi tie where away fans were banned. That is now the norm in Argentina.

Let’s apply that standard to the women’s World Cup.
 

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In the 2002 World Cup when South Korea scored a goal against the US the guy that scored made a skating motion during his celebration, referring to a controversy in the recent Olympics between Apolo Anton Ohno and a Korean skater. It did not result in a brawl.

I do remember hoping that the US would score afterwards and shadow box in celebration to mock the ridiculous decision that went against Roy Jones in the Seoul Olympics. Alas, the Korea goal was the last one scored in the 1-1 draw.
 

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The English have been irritating as fuck about the US team, so I'm glad Morgan mocked them. If Ellis's incipient conservatism didn't hold the US back, it would have been more than 2-1.

Football Weekly had some random on their podcast who literally said "Why fight the patriarchy if you're going to act like them on the pitch?" What the fuck? Got butthurt about the US fans chanting "deee-fense" too, which is just lame considering the England fans didn't sing a single song the entire tournament, as far as I could tell, and we've won three of these things and England are licking their wounds after yet another semifinal defeat where their team got found out.

Given my love for Dutch football, there was a nanosecond where I was a little torn on who to support. But between the salt, Rapinoe and the fact the Dutch just haven't been that good (their manager seems to have gone Full Sven in wedging in as many of her star players as possible) it's an easy call.
 

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Carlos Tevez once received a straight red card for mocking River by flapping his arms like a chicken. It was a Libertadores semi tie where away fans were banned. That is now the norm in Argentina.

Let’s apply that standard to the women’s World Cup.
Why, though?
 

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I expect to see them win the final and will be happy when they do. However, there is one thing I will note preemptively: If they lose, I will expect them to NOT follow the men’s game and actually own the loss. If there is one thing that annoys me about football/sports culture is excuse making, or conspiracies, when a loss happens. I saw some stuff on social media from English fans that nearly broke my eye balls after the semi final.

USA are heavy favorites (1/5) and I will not be empathetic to the team if Holland wins on a fluke or bad call. That said, this team is so good and locked in. I think this plays out like the last final and they bury the Dutch early and often.
 

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I expect to see them win the final and will be happy when they do. However, there is one thing I will note preemptively: If they lose, I will expect them to NOT follow the men’s game and actually own the loss. If there is one thing that annoys me about football/sports culture is excuse making, or conspiracies, when a loss happens. I saw some stuff on social media from English fans that nearly broke my eye balls after the semi final.

USA are heavy favorites (1/5) and I will not be empathetic to the team if Holland wins on a fluke or bad call. That said, this team is so good and locked in. I think this plays out like the last final and they bury the Dutch early and often.
Agreed. If there's one thing we know and that these ladies have proven, they cannot follow the example and the high standards set by the men.

I mean imagine a world in which the women had to set the example! Yikes!
 

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Are folks here going to lose their shit if Morgan scores tomorrow and mimes riding a bicycle?
 

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The tea sipping isn't even a controversy anywhere outside this forum.
Leaving aside the fact that I think it's even more of a non-issue than the Thailand celebrations... that's just not true. Shit, I've seen articles about it on the front page of CNN. Just google "alex morgan tea sipping" and you'll get literally dozens of reputable news organizations offering you their opinion on it.

NY Post. Time Magazine. Huff Post. Bleacher Report. fuckin' CBS News.

It shouldn't be a thing. It's stupid. It's a fucking goal celebration. But it is nevertheless a thing. I guess you didn't even google it before confidently asserting otherwise?
 

lexrageorge

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Leaving aside the fact that I think it's even more of a non-issue than the Thailand celebrations... that's just not true. Shit, I've seen articles about it on the front page of CNN. Just google "alex morgan tea sipping" and you'll get literally dozens of reputable news organizations offering you their opinion on it.

NY Post. Time Magazine. Huff Post. Bleacher Report. fuckin' CBS News.

It shouldn't be a thing. It's stupid. It's a fucking goal celebration. But it is nevertheless a thing. I guess you didn't even google it before confidently asserting otherwise?
The celebrations in the second half of the Thailand game deserved some criticism, although they were hardly the end of the world either. However, the idiotic faux outrage over the tea drinking is almost certainly the result of the players being both (a) American and (b) women.
 

riboflav

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I expect to see them win the final and will be happy when they do. However, there is one thing I will note preemptively: If they lose, I will expect them to NOT follow the men’s game and actually own the loss. If there is one thing that annoys me about football/sports culture is excuse making, or conspiracies, when a loss happens. I saw some stuff on social media from English fans that nearly broke my eye balls after the semi final.

USA are heavy favorites (1/5) and I will not be empathetic to the team if Holland wins on a fluke or bad call. That said, this team is so good and locked in. I think this plays out like the last final and they bury the Dutch early and often.
Maybe it's time for the men to follow the women's example and actually win. Maybe the U.S. women don't quite get it because they don't lose so often.
 

luckiestman

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Maybe it's time for the men to follow the women's example and actually win. Maybe the U.S. women don't quite get it because they don't lose so often.

Do you not understand that the post you are responding to is praising the USWNT? This is your second time on this and it has made sense neither time.