Are we not doing game goats any more? (Week 9 @ Titans)
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Nobody in particular. They played dead even with a slightly more talented team. Basically everyone involved was... As expected
The talent on the roster. Maye is the only guy on the offense that’s any good. Gonzalez is the only guy with any talent on defense. Everyone else sucks. At least they’re picking high again.
As to the OP’s question, I propose we give out Deflated Game Balls to highlight the players who stood out in a losing effort.
Also the God of Blood Clotting needs to do a better job protecting the Patriots
Bring me the hide of Alex van Pelt.
Worst team I've ever seen at running screen plays and they seem to run them at a higher rate than most other teams. I'd love to see how they compare league wide on average yards gained on first down. If they're not dead last, I'd be shocked.
Worst team I've ever seen at running screen plays and they seem to run them at a higher rate than most other teams. I'd love to see how they compare league wide on average yards gained on first down. If they're not dead last, I'd be shocked.
The offensive line seemed to take a step back today, they didn’t pass block well today and they haven’t given the backs much room. I know the Titans are good up front on defense but they got manhandled today.
We really need Barmore back because this front 7 is just sad against the run and mediocre against the pass.
We really need Barmore back because this front 7 is just sad against the run and mediocre against the pass.
Kraft
Mayo
AVP
Peters
Covington
There is a enough to be ok here with a good coaching staff, but we literally have the most inexperienced staff in the league and they don't look good.
Mayo
AVP
Peters
Covington
There is a enough to be ok here with a good coaching staff, but we literally have the most inexperienced staff in the league and they don't look good.
Who can they get to replace him?
Hoyer make any sense? He must have learned something from all that clipboard holding
Part of many teams too
HC Vrabel, with Josh McD and Steve B next year. Sure, Hoyer as QB coach too. Or maybe I'm just feeling an extreme case of dynasty withdrawal...
I would run a study to see what college offense is doing the most with least and hire that offensive coordinator
Pretty much. Losing Barmore and Bentley was also an absolute killer as well. It’s basically rendered them useless against the run. Barmore was an absolute machine last year and probably their best player. Throw peppers in there too. This is a roster that can’t afford to lose any players, nevermind 3 of their top 4 defensive players.
I think AVP is pretty decent. When you see the film breakdowns they're doing some good stuff.
The very basics of this offense's struggles is..... they're starting 1 starter, 1 backup and 3 PS players on the O-line and they have no difference makers at skill positions.
What you can do against a good defense (and TEN is one of the best defenses we've faced) when you can't run or pass block with any consistency is really limited. You're basically forced to run a lot of screens, leave in more blockers, chip and build in a bunch of safety valves and QB scramble options. I also think Drake Maye has shown drastic and rapid improvement from the draft to now.
He'll probably get fired because blaming the OC is basically always the answer to a bad season. But the O-line makes just about any offense untenable, people got fooled by a couple decent games against bad/injured D-lines where they looked okay... the Titans are neither.
The very basics of this offense's struggles is..... they're starting 1 starter, 1 backup and 3 PS players on the O-line and they have no difference makers at skill positions.
What you can do against a good defense (and TEN is one of the best defenses we've faced) when you can't run or pass block with any consistency is really limited. You're basically forced to run a lot of screens, leave in more blockers, chip and build in a bunch of safety valves and QB scramble options. I also think Drake Maye has shown drastic and rapid improvement from the draft to now.
He'll probably get fired because blaming the OC is basically always the answer to a bad season. But the O-line makes just about any offense untenable, people got fooled by a couple decent games against bad/injured D-lines where they looked okay... the Titans are neither.
Classic Dynasty Withdrawal Syndrome. See your doctor to find out if Ben Johnson is right for you.
I'm with you. Whatever happened to at least giving a coach 2 years except for extreme dumpster fires such as the Rod Rust Error or Urban Meyer in Jacksonville?
For all one calling out Mayo for being the"GOAT" or the reason the Pats lost today what decisions would you point to?
I actually like the fact that the team has not quit on Mayo this season despite all the injuries.
One decision I did question is why not go for 2 at the end of regulation? You have just tied the game and the Titans are in a desultory mood and probably a little confused as well. Why not go for the win? I think analytics say a 2pt play is about 50/50. I know the Detroit coach would have gone for 2 but then again he has a much more talented team.
Anyway, I think Mayo should be given a second year especially since the talent level is so low that not too many victories were to be expected this year.
I think Vrabel would be a bad hire. He struggled to find offensive coaches once Smith left, he wasn't much of a developer, not a guy I would hire to elevate a bad roster.
If you fire Mayo you hire an offensive playcaller head coach and pair him with your young QB... it means consistency for the young QB going forward, and the ranks of defensive coordinators is deep, and you're far more likely to be able to keep them longer than an OC.
No goats in particular. It’s a bad team who lost to another bad team in overtime. Every unit on both sides of the ball had crummy moments, hence the loss.
Maye had the most rushing yards by a Pats QB since Grogan in 1977. So that was cool.
Maye had the most rushing yards by a Pats QB since Grogan in 1977. So that was cool.
Agree on the bad team.
I thought the Grogan stat was a good one to see. It brought back memories.
I really think Maye is the real deal if he continues to develop. It should drive home to people how limited and bad Mac Jones really was.
The running game continues to be woeful. Take out Maye's running - that's not really by design. After two great rushing games to start the season, here's what they've done:
at NYJ: 15 for 78 (5.2)... B+ (great for avg, but bad for totals)
at SF: 24 for 73 (3.0)... F
vs Mia: 19 for 151 (7.9)... A+ (great for avg, really good for totals)
vs Hou: 26 for 82 (3.1)... D- (bad for avg, bad for totals) - take away Maye's 5 for 38 and the RBs ran 21 times for 44 (2.1)
at Jax: 15 for 38 (2.5)... F
vs NYJ: 31 for 112 (3.6)... C (bad avg, decent totals, but 3 rushing TDs are good)
at Ten: 20 for 110 (5.5)... C- (good avg, decent totals) - but Maye was 8 for 95, so take him out and the RBs ran 12 times for 15 yds (1.3)
Long story short, the running game has been absolute trash and that makes it much harder on Maye.
at NYJ: 15 for 78 (5.2)... B+ (great for avg, but bad for totals)
at SF: 24 for 73 (3.0)... F
vs Mia: 19 for 151 (7.9)... A+ (great for avg, really good for totals)
vs Hou: 26 for 82 (3.1)... D- (bad for avg, bad for totals) - take away Maye's 5 for 38 and the RBs ran 21 times for 44 (2.1)
at Jax: 15 for 38 (2.5)... F
vs NYJ: 31 for 112 (3.6)... C (bad avg, decent totals, but 3 rushing TDs are good)
at Ten: 20 for 110 (5.5)... C- (good avg, decent totals) - but Maye was 8 for 95, so take him out and the RBs ran 12 times for 15 yds (1.3)
Long story short, the running game has been absolute trash and that makes it much harder on Maye.
Ok. So even though we obviously hate losing, it was kinda sorta best case scenario. We see some really good things from Maye but a tight loss and #1 draft position as a result.
I agree. If you’re firing Mayo, go for a high risk college hire, unless someone like McVay becomes available I guess.
Fumble luck. With a little they probably win this game, which isn't to say there weren't mountains of suckitude out there.
Fully agree. Go get Ben Johnson or the hotshot OC du jour. You now know you kinda sorta have something with Maye, as long as he doesn't get killed this year. You need to develop the Oline and receivers. And it's basically a complete reset at this point on D except for Gonzalez and some B/B+ parts, but you can probably field something competent over there in relatively short order, particularly if the offense improves. Real competition in 2026 should be the goal.
AVP for sure, the offense is awful. The bootleg was open all day.
Also how can none of the receivers catch anymore.
They may have been hesitant to run a designed bootleg with a quarterback coming off a concussion who doesn’t know to slide.
I can't see Kraft firing Mayo under any circumstance. But if they bring AVP back, they are not serious about winning.
He was mediocre everywhere he has been and has slipped from mediocre.
He was mediocre everywhere he has been and has slipped from mediocre.
Agreed, I do not want to see this team adopt the Colts offense from last season that got their QB hurt, particularly since ours is better.
I don't disagree that he's creating decent schemes and routes, but tactically he's frustrating as hell. Take runs at the end of the first half which netted negative yards and gave TEN the ball back: Even if it was Mayo pushing the "run" button, the plays themselves had nothing on them. Just "hey hope this same run they've been stuffing for 2 quarters suddenly works now."
If the team can somehow bottle the "we are bad, but I still like playing for this guy" with Mayo...we may have something here...going through the suck of the suck with a guy that players are not saying "get this guy out of here" may speak to his ability as a Harbaugh-like motivator. They like him.
That said, Drake Maye is a fucking heart attack. A true trhee-outcome guy. 60 yard td pass, 30 yard scramble, or sack.
I love watching him.
That said, Drake Maye is a fucking heart attack. A true trhee-outcome guy. 60 yard td pass, 30 yard scramble, or sack.
I love watching him.
This. What’s a better chance for this team, converting a short yardage play or sustaining a long drive?
The Titans suck, but they've held 3 teams under 100 yards rushing this season, and they only gave up 225 yards to the Lions in last week's beatdown. Their issues are not on defense. But the Pats running game was still pathetic.