Bad Hombres: Jerseys Ashore

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Well that ruins the joke I guess. I had a thought that maybe it was Dante but figured it was too close to the end of the game for him to have gotten in and out of the shower already.
How do you know he wasn't walking toward the shower in the clip?

Besides, he's no spring chicken, he was on his way to Denny's then the sack in his hotel.
 

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Pretty clear from the clips that it was premeditated not a crime of opportunity, which also I guess is suggested by the fact he had done it before. Weird though that he held on to them. All that trouble not to sell them? Just for a personal collection.

Edit: Also note that the one guy pixilated in the video is at 1:21 -- the security guy who let him in With the wrong credential. Glazer circling the wagons to protect the NFL?
 

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I thought the credentials were actually, valid, as far as that goes. In other words, there's no way for security guard to know he obtained it illegally.

EDIT: Never mind. Just watched it all the way through. Badge was valid, but not for entry at that time.
 

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I thought the credentials were actually, valid, as far as that goes. In other words, there's no way for security guard to know he obtained it illegally.
Glazer says in the video his badge did not allow post-game locker room access -- presumably a fact the NFL is not happy about. The pixelating of the security guy in those three minutes of video stands out like a sore thumb. The security guy who watches as Brady's jersey is brought in, for example, is not pixilated.
 

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I'm not sure we should expect huge things out of NFL event security. If someone is determined and confident, it's usually possible to hustle your way through stuff. Dion Rich made a lifetime out of it. Short of the military and casinos, there aren't a lot of security people who take their jobs seriously and passionately (and those who do usually get yelled at by legitimately-credentialed people who are stopped by zealous staff, like Pedroia famously was in the 2007 World Series).
 

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It's not really that difficult.

I'm just coming into the frame at 8:27 on this video. Brown pants, white shirt, white sneakers, white bag over my shoulder:
Boston Globe had a nice picture of me on the front page the next day

Edit: Looks like the ceremony was 22 years ago today
 

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Pretty clear from the clips that it was premeditated not a crime of opportunity, which also I guess is suggested by the fact he had done it before. Weird though that he held on to them. All that trouble not to sell them? Just for a personal collection.
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I don't have a link - heard it on WEEI yesterday - but they said he was trying to sell the jerseys for $75K and that the reason they got tipped off to there whereabouts (Mexico) was because someone he approached about buying them contacted authorities. Take that fwiw.
 

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WEEI is as trustworthy as the Prez. Since they had the guy clearly on video my guess is they contacted him and presented the evidence.
Did I miss a video that shows him actually taking it? I've seen the ones with him suddenly having something under his arm, him looking at the camera, etc, but have they released or spoken of a video that shows him literally taking it?
 

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Did I miss a video that shows him actually taking it? I've seen the ones with him suddenly having something under his arm, him looking at the camera, etc, but have they released or spoken of a video that shows him literally taking it?
There won't be one. They don't have security cameras in the locker room.
 

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I don't have a link - heard it on WEEI yesterday - but they said he was trying to sell the jerseys for $75K and that the reason they got tipped off to there whereabouts (Mexico) was because someone he approached about buying them contacted authorities. Take that fwiw.
I heard this as well elsewhere. He was trying to sell the Super Bowl XLIX Brady jersey because that wasn't widely publicized as stolen. Many of the potential buyers he contacted had no idea that jersey wasn't obtained legally.

Looks like TMZ was the one to report it, so maybe just as trustworthy as WEEI
http://www.tmz.com/2017/03/21/tom-brady-sb49-jersey-75k/
 

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Did I miss a video that shows him actually taking it? I've seen the ones with him suddenly having something under his arm, him looking at the camera, etc, but have they released or spoken of a video that shows him literally taking it?
I assume there is no video of the inside of the locker room (where the players are naked/getting changed) but then again Antonio Brown.
 

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I assumed as much and was kind of my point. Without some kind of tip, I have trouble thinking that the videos we've seen would have led them to the suspect and even more so, launched an international investigation.
 

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I'm not sure we should expect huge things out of NFL event security. If someone is determined and confident, it's usually possible to hustle your way through stuff. Dion Rich made a lifetime out of it. Short of the military and casinos, there aren't a lot of security people who take their jobs seriously and passionately (and those who do usually get yelled at by legitimately-credentialed people who are stopped by zealous staff, like Pedroia famously was in the 2007 World Series).
I've gotten into a lot of off limits areas at events. Acting confident and like you belong can get you very far. Especially if you're entering along with the rest of the team and extended staff. His approach was very smart and presumably came from his experience in the media. If security had asked everyone to slow down so that he could check the credentials during the minutes following the game, he'd likely have been reprimanded for being difficult.

No one got hurt, and the jersey was recovered. I totally expect the NFL to overreact.
 

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Oh hey... weird...

So, it just only now finally occurred to me that the first time Tom Brady's Super Bowl jersey was stolen... during the same period that the league was trying to convince us of how seriously it took and closely it looked at all its security procedures and such.
 

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I heard this as well elsewhere. He was trying to sell the Super Bowl XLIX Brady jersey because that wasn't widely publicized as stolen. Many of the potential buyers he contacted had no idea that jersey wasn't obtained legally.

Looks like TMZ was the one to report it, so maybe just as trustworthy as WEEI
http://www.tmz.com/2017/03/21/tom-brady-sb49-jersey-75k/
This was also on a newspaper here in Mexico; however, they said he was selling another thing but the photo he sent the buyer showed Brady's jersey on the side (he had a room in his house filled with stolen NFL memorabilia) . So the buyer contacted the FBI and the FBI sent the information to Mexican authorities whom arrested him. The guy was Director of La Prensa, a sensationalist newspaper which specializes in crimes (common things with so many bad hombres, a plague nowadays down here). The guy was fired from his job and his crime is referred in local news as if he was a mafia capo.
 

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This was also on a newspaper here in Mexico; however, they said he was selling another thing but the photo he sent the buyer showed Brady's jersey on the side (he had a room in his house filled with stolen NFL memorabilia) . So the buyer contacted the FBI and the FBI sent the information to Mexican authorities whom arrested him. The guy was Director of La Prensa, a sensationalist newspaper which specializes in crimes (common things with so many bad hombres, a plague nowadays down here). The guy was fired from his job and his crime is referred in local news as if he was a mafia capo.
Wait. Really? I assumed they ID'd him trough the security cam footage (which was the obvious first place to look) combined with the fact that he was SB credentialed, so they'd have his name somewhere.

Perhaps they didn't quite have enough info to connect the dots or maybe they did connect the dots but didn't have probable cause until this buyer independently contacted them?
 

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Mike Reiss pens "the inside story" of how the jerseys were recovered:

At 10:07 p.m., Brady was at his locker located at the front right of a crowded locker room near the door. Brady was about to leave to take the fading eye black off his drained face. But first his shoulder pads and jersey waited on the chair. Each had a different desired destination. There were two bags. One, an embroidered bag with the Patriots logo that he used to haul his equipment to and from games, sat on the floor by his feet. It was a standard team-issued bag, packed to the brim with cleats, pads and other items earmarked for the equipment manager and his crew. That bag was for the shoulder pads.

The folded jersey was earmarked for an unzipped black leather handbag -- an oversized man-purse of sorts -- stuffed neatly with Brady's personal items. He put the jersey in that bag and left to remove the eye black.

On the video provided by Fox Sports, investigators could still see part of the jersey sticking out just enough to be grabbed. That's when a man authorities say is Ortega is seen approaching the bag, and with his back to the camera, reaches down for the jersey, removes it from the black leather bag, puts it in a black plastic bag and walks out with it under his left arm, according to a source who saw the video. Ortega has not been arrested or charged as of Tuesday afternoon.

Before Brady returned, the quarterback, who has won five Super Bowl championships, stopped to talk with former teammate and current NFL Network analyst Willie McGinest, who declared, "Make room for the GOAT" in the crunched locker room at NRG Stadium. The two chatted for a moment before Brady was back at his locker with a look on his face that did not befit a man who had just enjoyed one of the best moments of his professional career. Brady examined the leather tote and noticed the jersey wasn't in the black leather bag where it was left.

"B, did someone take my jersey?" Brady said to Brenden Murphy, an equipment assistant with the Patriots, before placing down the water bottle in his left hand to begin his own personal search. "It was in my bag. I absolutely 100 percent put it in my bag. Someone took it, B."
He says HPD received "a game-changing tip", which I assume was that Davonta Freeman was on the take and was going to take a fall and let Donta Hightower steamroll his QB.
 

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True with milennials (although Brady´s thief is a middle age guy). By the way, Now we have a new sacandal in Mexico of two medical residents who "proudly" posted in Instagram some photos of their first amputation in a diabetic patient. Pictures like the one below are all over in google.

 

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FBI statement released today.

https://www.fbi.gov/contact-us/field-offices/boston/news/press-releases/fbi-boston-announces-return-of-stolen-super-bowl-jerseys-to-the-new-england-patriots?utm_campaign=email-Immediate&utm_medium=email&utm_source=boston-press-releases&utm_source=massachusetts-includes-maine-new-hampshi&utm_content=613273

Today, the Federal Bureau of Investigation in Boston is pleased to return the jerseys worn by New England Patriots MVP Tom Brady during Super Bowl 49 and Super Bowl 51 to the New England Patriots and National Football League. We know how much this means to the Patriots and football fans everywhere, and we are honored to be able to bring these jerseys back to Foxboro.

This was truly a cooperative effort, and we want to thank our FBI field offices in Chicago, Phoenix, and Houston; the United States Attorney’s Offices in the District of Connecticut, the Southern District of Texas, and the District of Arizona; and our FBI Mexico City Legal Attaché. We would also like to thank our law enforcement partners in Mexico, in particular, the Mexican Attorney General’s Office, for their invaluable assistance in resolving this matter. Assistance was also provided by the security teams from the NFL and the New England Patriots, the Massachusetts State Police, and Houston Police Department.

As this matter remains ongoing, no further comment will be provided.
The Super Bowl is a "national security special event," so it's natural for the FBI to take a keen interest in a crime committed there, but the well-documented friendships between the POTUS and TB12/Kraft will naturally lead people to ask whether there were other reasons for devoting what seems like an unusual amount of resources to solving a property crime of this magnitude.
 

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Already seen a few "Why is the FBI wasting time on this?" articles and tweets.

But it's not like the FBI doesn't have an entire department tasked to art theft. This is somewhat similar.
 

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Already seen a few "Why is the FBI wasting time on this?" articles and tweets.

But it's not like the FBI doesn't have an entire department tasked to art theft. This is somewhat similar.
Stupid. What if one of those people complaining were fortunate enough to have a $500k piece of memorabilia passed down to them and subsequently had it stolen? I guess it's not important, right? Just because there are ISIS recruits within our borders doesn't mean that we can't spread our resources around.
 

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Stupid. What if one of those people complaining were fortunate enough to have a $500k piece of memorabilia passed down to them and subsequently had it stolen? I guess it's not important, right? Just because there are ISIS recruits within our borders doesn't mean that we can't spread our resources around.
Meek Mill of all people had a good point. What about all those missing black girls in DC? I get that the FBI solving this case doesn't mean they devoted more resources or attention to it, but it's not a great look.
 

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That's a good point?

I guess...if you really think there's a direct connection between the FBI solving this crime and not solving those. That's not clear to me at all. Do we know that the DC case is lacking the resources it needs and that the ones on the Brady case have the requisite skills? And as a country do we really only want to work on lower crimes once all more severe crimes have been solved or run cold? Armchair resource management is silly.
 

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That's a good point?

I guess...if you really think there's a direct connection between the FBI solving this crime and not solving those. That's not clear to me at all. Do we know that the DC case is lacking the resources it needs and that the ones on the Brady case have the requisite skills? And as a country do we really only want to work on lower crimes once all more severe crimes have been solved or run cold? Armchair resource management is silly.
The FBI would've devoted similar resources (if not more) to a $500k bank robbery. I'm guessing they wouldn't have devoted nearly as many resources to a case where $500k in valuables went missing from a rich person's house during a party. Reasonable people can disagree whether this case was more like the former or the latter; you don't need expertise in allocation of law enforcement resources to have an intelligent opinion on the subject.
 

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That's a good point?

I guess...if you really think there's a direct connection between the FBI solving this crime and not solving those. That's not clear to me at all. Do we know that the DC case is lacking the resources it needs and that the ones on the Brady case have the requisite skills? And as a country do we really only want to work on lower crimes once all more severe crimes have been solved or run cold? Armchair resource management is silly.
Yeah. If you don't think it reinforces a narrative to disenfranchised people about how they're prioritized, then I think that demonstrates some myopia on your end. My point isn't that the FBI shouldn't have investigated the theft or even celebrated the recovery, but let's be mindful about how it looks.
 

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That's Agent Johnson on the left, and Special Agent Johnson on the right.
I have to believe everyone calls him Officer Hightower.

As for the rest, the case got solved by a called-in tip in Mexico, didn't it? Why are we assuming that the FBI spent substantial resources on this case simply because, as the national police force, they are on point for returning the recovered property?
 

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Yeah. If you don't think it reinforces a narrative to disenfranchised people about how they're prioritized, then I think that demonstrates some myopia on your end. My point isn't that the FBI shouldn't have investigated the theft or even celebrated the recovery, but let's be mindful about how it looks.
No I get it. I guess I just subscribe to the "you can't please everyone" philosophy on this. There will always be people applying logical fallacies to these situations.
 

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Meek Mill of all people had a good point. What about all those missing black girls in DC?
http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-39384008

A recent social media post claimed, incorrectly, that 14 girls had gone missing this week alone.

Soon the hashtags #findmysisters and #MissingDCgirls were circulating.
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[T]he MPD says there is no uptick in missing girls - and most of those who have gone missing in 2017 have been found quickly.

In fact, the numbers have gone down slightly, from an average of 200 missing cases each month in 2016 to 190 in 2017.

Most of the cases have been closed within 24 to 48 hours. The vast majority of the 501 cases involving missing children opened this year have already been closed, and many of the missing children were attempted runaways.
 

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I have to believe everyone calls him Officer Hightower.

As for the rest, the case got solved by a called-in tip in Mexico, didn't it? Why are we assuming that the FBI spent substantial resources on this case simply because, as the national police force, they are on point for returning the recovered property?
Because the FBI's own statement says that several different offices were involved in the effort. Some of those offices may have been peripherally involved, but the most natural reading of that FBI statement leads one to believe this was a very significant law-enforcement effort (unless you think they have a motive to portray it that way when it was not).
 

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Because the FBI's own statement says that several different offices were involved in the effort. Some of those offices may have been peripherally involved, but the most natural reading of that FBI statement leads one to believe this was a very significant law-enforcement effort (unless you think they have a motive to portray it that way when it was not).
It's pretty standard to have multiple offices involved when the case is international and spans multiple cities (Houston, Boston, Mexicam LEGAT). They all have to coordinate.
 

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I think if this was a crime where investigation needed to originate with the FBI, the jersey's would still be in Mexico. The fact that it began with HPD and the Texas Rangers and was essentially a solved crime when it got to an FBI desk for international assistance, means they had to get involved. It's possible the notoriety of the case would have required some action, but I doubt they do much more than answer the phone if a call comes in asking the FBI to investigate the case of a missing Brady jersey.
 

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One recent change at the SB is that you now have to scan your credential every time you enter and exit the field. When you scan it your name and picture pops up on a screen and your identity is quickly confirmed by a person monitoring the entry. This was not in place at 48 and definitely was in place at 50. Not sure about 49. All the concourses at the field level are covered by cctv cameras, so once you have a person of interest it's relatively easy to track their movements from any moment they were on the field to the moment they left the stadium.

Maybe this is the end of postgame locker room access at the SB, or maybe it becomes limited to just NFL Films and the national broadcaster. Postgame locker access often seems unnecessary to me and especially at the SB where dozens of players are made available in an interview tent shortly after the game.
 

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I think if this was a crime where investigation needed to originate with the FBI, the jersey's would still be in Mexico. The fact that it began with HPD and the Texas Rangers and was essentially a solved crime when it got to an FBI desk for international assistance, means they had to get involved. It's possible the notoriety of the case would have required some action, but I doubt they do much more than answer the phone if a call comes in asking the FBI to investigate the case of a missing Brady jersey.
But what about any unsolved murders in Texas and Houston?!?!