BB's next job (a.k.a. Steve Belichick's next next job)

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Not going to lie, could care less about Belichick now that he’s not coach of the Patriots. I never found him compelling outside of football and nothing about that changed once he stopped doing it.
 

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You're approaching this conversation, where Belichick was asked about a game where the Patriots won, as if everyone is talking about the producers of the show and what they want to talk about.

We are talking about a segment where Belichick was specifically asked about the Patriots-Bears game and then spent very little time talking about the team that won. I don't know how it's controversial to wonder why he spent very little time analyzing the team that won when specifically asked about the game that they played in.

The conversation isn't about the national media and why they don't talk about the Patriots a lot, hell this isn't even a conversation wondering why Belichick didn't talk about the Patriots in a rundown of a random week, it's about why he specifically chose to not talk about them after a win when he has previously talked about them more after losses or after Jerod Mayo quotes
Because there’s nothing interesting to say about them or Maye after the win. They beat a failing team by scoring one TD and 4 FGs with 320 yards of offense. The rookie QB performance could best be described as “Meh”. Lot of bad throws, awful pick, some decent throws. Basically what we thought he’d be his rookie year. The 9 sacks is more an indictment on Chicago than the Pats being superior.
 

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Because there’s nothing interesting to say about them or Maye after the win. They beat a failing team by scoring one TD and 4 FGs with 320 yards of offense. The rookie QB performance could best be described as “Meh”. Lot of bad throws, awful pick, some decent throws. Basically what we thought he’d be his rookie year. The 9 sacks is more an indictment on Chicago than the Pats being superior.
Then the whole game shouldn’t have been talked about much.

I guess we are on complete opposite sides of this. You’re operating as if it’s completely normal to be asked about a game and not talk about the team that won. I don’t agree with that premise at all
 

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Because there’s nothing interesting to say about them or Maye after the win. They beat a failing team by scoring one TD and 4 FGs with 320 yards of offense. The rookie QB performance could best be described as “Meh”. Lot of bad throws, awful pick, some decent throws. Basically what we thought he’d be his rookie year. The 9 sacks is more an indictment on Chicago than the Pats being superior.
Yeah, is Bill a little salty, sure, deservedly so. But nobody talked much about the Patriots after that game, 90% of the discussion was the Bears, because them losing is a much bigger impact than the Patriots winning. Games get talked about only in so much as they fit into leaguewide or larger stories... so CHI it's "who is getting fired, is the #1 pick a bust, how will they turn it around", teams in the playoff chase get talked about because of that. The Patriots.. they're a bad team that won over another bad team, they have no interesting long term discussion changes this game brought up and no impact on the playoffs at this point.... it's the same reason nobody talked about the Titans after week 9 last year.
 

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Then the whole game shouldn’t have been talked about much.

I guess we are on complete opposite sides of this. You’re operating as if it’s completely normal to be asked about a game and not talk about the team that won. I don’t agree with that premise at all
The game wasn’t really talked about much from a pure analysis perspective. The macro situation in Chicago was the topic, using the game as a vehicle to have that discussion. The Bears are about to fire their coach. They definitely should be talked about given how big of a dumpster fire they and how the #1 overall pick from USC that won a Heisman has looked.

An average media person finds ways to talk about more interesting storylines that are tangentially related to the question posed. If it was Mike Reiss answering the question that way, yes that would be an issue.
 

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Yeah, is Bill a little salty, sure, deservedly so. But nobody talked much about the Patriots after that game, 90% of the discussion was the Bears, because them losing is a much bigger impact than the Patriots winning. Games get talked about only in so much as they fit into leaguewide or larger stories... so CHI it's "who is getting fired, is the #1 pick a bust, how will they turn it around", teams in the playoff chase get talked about because of that. The Patriots.. they're a bad team that won over another bad team, they have no interesting long term discussion changes this game brought up and no impact on the playoffs at this point.... it's the same reason nobody talked about the Titans after week 9 last year.
Come on.

The titans after Week 9 had literally nothing going for them. Thats a ridiculous comparison and you know it is.

The Patriots have a very interesting rookie QB who, given stats you normally cite?, is interesting to analyze.

The Bears are a dumpster fire. I get how that is interesting. However, I would think people want to hear Belichick actually analyze the games and not engage in the type of stuff that you can get from Stephen A shouting fits on First Take
 

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Why would a 73-yo want to deal with recruiting and NIL deals? Maybe he just wants to upgrade his girlfriend.
 

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BB would actually be great for the college game. Obviously he knows Xs and Os. But beyond that, I imagine he would attract a lot of the willing-to-do-whatever-it-takes types that may not necessarily get recruited by Alabama, but would thrive under a coach maximizing their skill sets. I highly doubt he would get caught up in too much of the NIL stuff; maybe some, but I feel like he would be willing to coach a bunch of walk-ons who agreed to buy into the program.
 

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So his answer after getting fired from the Patriots, not getting an NFL job, then going on a media tour ripping the Patriots is to become the Head Coach for the Patriots QB's college?

I feel like there's a glitch in The Matrix somewhere.
 

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This makes zero sense. Bill’s best buddy Nick retired because he, the most successful college coach of the modern era, doesn’t want to deal with NIL and portal bullshit. But Bill does?
 

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BB would actually be great for the college game. Obviously he knows Xs and Os. But beyond that, I imagine he would attract a lot of the willing-to-do-whatever-it-takes types that may not necessarily get recruited by Alabama, but would thrive under a coach maximizing their skill sets. I highly doubt he would get caught up in too much of the NIL stuff; maybe some, but I feel like he would be willing to coach a bunch of walk-ons who agreed to buy into the program.
Good luck winning with that approach in today’s college football
 

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Yep. Without big NIL money no one attracts premium talent. And without the Larry’s and Moe’s the X’s and O’s only get you so far.
Was watching a podcast the morning on Notre Dame's recruiting class, and the guest seemed like a pretty plugged in national recruiting type. He said the minimal going rate for an elite high school defensive lineman, for example, is 500k. There is no way to function as a winning CFB coach without it. As Dabo has already, and will continue to find out(if he lasts long enough).
 

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Good luck winning with that approach in today’s college football
I didn't say he would be winning the SEC. He would be a good coach for a smaller school with people who want to play his way, rather than trying to compete for the fbs or whatever.
 

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Why would a 73-yo want to deal with recruiting and NIL deals? Maybe he just wants to upgrade his girlfriend.
How much do you need to recruit? You golf with a handful of ultra-rich alums, they give you $75m per season for NIL deals, and you build a juggernaut with your name recognition and wallet.
 

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Yep. Without big NIL money no one attracts premium talent. And without the Larry’s and Moe’s the X’s and O’s only get you so far.
I think BB is a fucking fantastic coach. Best ever. Knowledge of football and X’s and O’s is unparalleled.

I feel incredibly confident in saying that not only would he be a disaster of a college football coach but that he would fucking hate it

EDIT: The Saban comparison you made is really apt.
 

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How much do you need to recruit? You golf with a handful of ultra-rich alums, they give you $75m per season for NIL deals, and you build a juggernaut with your name recognition and wallet.
I’m more of a casual college football watcher so you might be right. However everything I’ve heard from coaches is recruiting is a grind and many coaches have said NIL is partly why they left (Saban). Vrabel recently said he had no interest in a college job because of recruiting. So it seems like it’s a factor for some.
 

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I’m more of a casual college football watcher so you might be right. However everything I’ve heard from coaches is recruiting is a grind and many coaches have said NIL is partly why they left (Saban). Vrabel recently said he had no interest in a college job because of recruiting. So it seems like it’s a factor for some.
Maybe it'll be easier, because you can just say "we'll pay you this, and you get coached by the GOAT", and walk out.
 

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How much do you need to recruit? You golf with a handful of ultra-rich alums, they give you $75m per season for NIL deals, and you build a juggernaut with your name recognition and wallet.
This. I think Belichick would have huge appeal to the top talent - who better to get you ready for the NFL than the league's GOAT HC? He'd need the recruiting apparatus to build the foundation of 'Larry's and Moe's' to support the stars but that's doable. Hire Steve as DC (bonus points for helping him get even more ready ready to run his own team), activate the Friends of Bill network to hire an OC and build the staff on all sides, and hoist the Jolly Roger and have some fun.
I think BB is a fucking fantastic coach. Best ever. Knowledge of football and X’s and O’s is unparalleled.

I feel incredibly confident in saying that not only would he be a disaster of a college football coach but that he would fucking hate it
I disagree - he sounds like he's been re-energized based on the reports of him spending time with his son at Washington. He grew up on campus at Annapolis. The NIL era has opened doors that weren't open before when his buddy Nick Saban was dominating recruiting. He undoubtedly feels scapegoated by the Krafts and jerked around by Arthur Blank, and going to work at any other NFL franchise means working for another rich asshole who likely thinks Bill needs him more than the other way around. What NFL team in 2024 is going to offer him complete control the way UNC or a college program would?

I hope he does this - it would be a lot more fun than watching him try to grind out wins in Jacksonville or Chicago.
 

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Not sure today's recruits have the same view of BB as those of us that have seen him in his glory days. I assume the parents will have some influence on these decisions, but outside of his ability to recruit girlfriends in that age demographic, I am not sure the high school athletes of today will respond to the old school coaching approach. Are there any comps for a 70+ year old college coach having current D1 success?
 

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I’m more of a casual college football watcher so you might be right. However everything I’ve heard from coaches is recruiting is a grind and many coaches have said NIL is partly why they left (Saban). Vrabel recently said he had no interest in a college job because of recruiting. So it seems like it’s a factor for some.
The recruiting is different now. There is not as much of the college coach traveling the country, meeting with recruits and families and offering scholarships. With the new rules, coaches spend a lot of time fundraising and meeting with boosters to build the NIL bank account.A lot of the large college programs have added a general manager position to manage NIL and the transfer portal and all that.
 

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To be clear, I don't think BB would do great as a coach for Bama or USC or LSU or anything like that. Whatever recruiting looks like now, I think he wants very little part of it since all coaches seem to hate it. I do think he would be great at a DII school or something that does minimal recruiting and the players are generally playing because they want to, not because they all have realistic aspirations of the NFL.
 

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This makes zero sense. Bill’s best buddy Nick retired because he, the most successful college coach of the modern era, doesn’t want to deal with NIL and portal bullshit. But Bill does?
Nick retired because Alabama couldn't cheat anymore by paying their players under the table because everyone could pay players.
 

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To be clear, I don't think BB would do great as a coach for Bama or USC or LSU or anything like that. Whatever recruiting looks like now, I think he wants very little part of it since all coaches seem to hate it. I do think he would be great at a DII school or something that does minimal recruiting and the players are generally playing because they want to, not because they all have realistic aspirations of the NFL.
There's a lot more UNC's, where the goal is to have a chance at winning the conference and making the expanded the playoffs, than there are Alabama's, where the goal was literally national title game or bust. Schools have restructured their recruiting infrastructure around NIL, so it may not be as difficult for him there as people are making it seem.
 

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There's a lot more UNC's, where the goal is to have a chance at winning the conference and making the expanded the playoffs, than there are Alabama's, where the goal was literally national title game or bust. Schools have restructured their recruiting infrastructure around NIL, so it may not be as difficult for him there as people are making it seem.
Fair. I don't really follow college football, but I think about the schools my friends and I attended and think he would have been a great fit there.
 

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The idea of Belichick trying to charm teenagers and their parents while also spending his Friday nights hosting the local car dealership kingpin, is hilarious.
 

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The idea of Belichick trying to charm teenagers and their parents while also spending his Friday nights hosting the local car dealership kingpin, is hilarious.
It's clear that he's able to connect with, uh, the young people. Honestly, I think this is a terrific career move for him. The pretense of not paying players (while everyone knows it happens via boosters) is gone, so now it's just shaping young hearts and minds, and BB has always been such an incredible football communicator, I expect him to have some real impact.
 

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Not sure today's recruits have the same view of BB as those of us that have seen him in his glory days. I assume the parents will have some influence on these decisions, but outside of his ability to recruit girlfriends in that age demographic, I am not sure the high school athletes of today will respond to the old school coaching approach. Are there any comps for a 70+ year old college coach having current D1 success?
He's only five years removed from winning the Super Bowl - it's not like he's Jimmy Johnson attempting a comeback.
 

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This will be a big joke... Right up until it isn't. BB doesn't let this get out unless he's interested at some level. I'm sure UNC asked, can we tell people about this "interview" and he said yes. There's no leverage play because there's no other offer that we know of right now. The reports on stuff with his staff and everything is a little weird but honestly who knows. Maybe he thinks like this. Now when he starts with the local ads campaign like Bobby Knight did at Texas Tech, then we'll know he's kind of lost it...

https://www.sportsbusinessjournal.com/Daily/Issues/2004/03/08/Sponsorships-Advertising-Marketing/Sponsors-Signing-On-With-Knight-Texas-Tech-Despite-History.aspx
 

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For what it’s worth, I’m being told Belichick will be announced tonight as the new UNC coach. Source is someone who works for inside the football organization. Both daughters got to UNC so that’s why I randomly have this.

Sounds like it might come out on Sunday Night Footbal and I’m having a hard time believing this too.
 

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For what it’s worth, I’m being told Belichick will be announced tonight as the new UNC coach. Source is someone who works for inside the football organization. Both daughters got to UNC so that’s why I randomly have this.

Sounds like it might come out on Sunday Night Footbal and I’m having a hard time believing this too.
You should tweet it.
 
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