Benintendi back on the roster

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The Rangers have DFA'd Drew Stubbs -- who could be an interesting spare part if Frodo is gone for the season and they want to keep Holt in the infield
 

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Maybe the swelling hasn't gone down enough?
The whole "too swollen for an MRI" thing is basically bullshit. You're never actually too swollen for an MRI. I don't really know what to make of the "MRI is inconclusive" thing. Maybe they want the team docs to examine him to correlate the images with his physical exam.
 

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The whole "too swollen for an MRI" thing is basically bullshit. You're never actually too swollen for an MRI. I don't really know what to make of the "MRI is inconclusive" thing. Maybe they want the team docs to examine him to correlate the images with his physical exam.
Do we know he had an MRI today? I know reports are that an MRI would be needed, but all I've seen today is that "tests" were inconclusive. No specifics on what those tests were or if they even included an MRI.

Maybe the "more tests tomorrow" include the MRI, at home, with the team's medical staff rather than whomever would be doing the evaluation in St Pete.
 

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Do we know he had an MRI today? I know reports are that an MRI would be needed, but all I've seen today is that "tests" were inconclusive. No specifics on what those tests were or if they even included an MRI.

Maybe the "more tests tomorrow" include the MRI, at home, with the team's medical staff rather than whomever would be doing the evaluation in St Pete.
He had an MRI, yes. I think the "additional tests" are the physical exam that the team docs will be giving him.
 

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Do we know he had an MRI today? I know reports are that an MRI would be needed, but all I've seen today is that "tests" were inconclusive. No specifics on what those tests were or if they even included an MRI.

Maybe the "more tests tomorrow" include the MRI, at home, with the team's medical staff rather than whomever would be doing the evaluation in St Pete.
I saw reports that he had an MRI. And DRS is right, the "too swollen" thing is nonsense. If anything, sometimes its harder to interpret a month or two after the swelling has gone down and some of the lower grade injuries have scarred and the bone contusions are resolving or have resolved.

I'll stick with the partial ACL tear idea as my guess. More often than not ACL tears are complete or near complete and there isn't much ambiguity. But sometimes they can be tricky to interpret and somewhat subjective (hence maybe the inconclusive result). It was a bit of a funky injury mechanism and Benintendi had that ankle roll to go along with it, so I wouldn't be surprised if his ACL is injured but not definitely completely torn. In these cases, the radiology impression may be something along the lines of "moderate grade partial ACL tear", which basically is punting back to ortho. If the clinical exam is stable, it might heal with some rest and they might re-image in a couple months to see how it looks. If the clinical exam feels unstable, they will probably reconstruct.

I suppose he could also have a posterolateral corner injury that is typically much worse than a simple LCL injury but can be hard to interpret and somewhat subjective as well.
 
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I use the "too swollen to image now" one to get patients out of my ER who want a stat MRI for acute but non life/limb threatening issues or (more commonly) chronic joint pain. I am ashamed.

We only use MRI in the ER for real emergencies like intracranial disasters, potential caudal equina syndrome (think paralysis), spinal cord trauma, etc.

The whole inconclusive thing is a bit unusual. Not terribly reassuring either.
 

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Close

Then, one August night, the kid in right
lay sprawling in the dirt
The fastball hit him square, he's down
Is Tony badly hurt?
Closer.

Then one August night
The kid in right
Lies sprawling in the dirt.
The fastball struck him square,
He's down.
Is Tony badly hurt?

(Sorry. Can't help it. That one's burned into my memory until my dying day.)
 

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How many major leaguers in history have torn an ACL running the bases? Has to be a tiny number right?
 

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I saw reports that he had an MRI. And DRS is right, the "too swollen" thing is nonsense. If anything, sometimes its harder to interpret a month or two after the swelling has gone down and some of the lower grade injuries have scarred and the bone contusions are resolving or have resolved.

I'll stick with the partial ACL tear idea as my guess. More often than not ACL tears are complete or near complete and there isn't much ambiguity. But sometimes they can be tricky to interpret and somewhat subjective (hence maybe the inconclusive result). It was a bit of a funky injury mechanism and Benintendi had that ankle roll to go along with it, so I wouldn't be surprised if his ACL is injured but not definitely completely torn. In these cases, the radiology impression may be something along the lines of "moderate grade partial ACL tear", which basically is punting back to ortho. If the clinical exam is stable, it might heal with some rest and they might re-image in a couple months to see how it looks. If the clinical exam feels unstable, they will probably reconstruct.

I suppose he could also have a posterolateral corner injury that is typically much worse than a simple LCL injury but can be hard to interpret and somewhat subjective as well.
This guy is definitely one of the top two.
 

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If you guys want to feel better about Benintendi's knee if his ACL is indeed torn...

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/m/pubmed/27160462/

94% return to play, very few subsequent surgeries or instability

And to answer the question upthread, most players were injured fielding, followed by baserunning.

Only one tore it fighting with the first base coach, as far as I know...
 

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Please Drew. Please be just fine.

I'm trying to feel better about it but . . .
 

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I remember that play. It was in Toronto. Gabe could not run the bases and had to be replaced by a pinch runner. Quick question did Gabe actually get credit for scoring or was it the pinch runner?
 

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I remember that play. It was in Toronto. Gabe could not run the bases and had to be replaced by a pinch runner. Quick question did Gabe actually get credit for scoring or was it the pinch runner?
Alejandro Machado came in as the pinch-runner and got credit for the run. The home run was hit by Tony Graffanino, who I barely remember being a member of the Red Sox

http://m.mlb.com/news/article/1210004//
 

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“@BigRickMorin: Imaging on Benintendi by team doctors revealed no structural damage, only knee sprain. #RedSox optimistic that he will return in 2016”
 

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Awesome news.

I'd probably consider a sprain "structural damage", but that's just semantics mostly. Sounds like nothing high grade or surgical so whatever looked funny about the MRI probably was very minor and/or didn't match with any clinical instability.
 

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That was unexpected and amazing news. I was looking through competent LFers who were likely to clear waivers when I got the alert on my phone.
 

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Awesome news.

I'd probably consider a sprain "structural damage", but that's just semantics mostly. Sounds like nothing high grade or surgical so whatever looked funny about the MRI probably was very minor and/or didn't match with any clinical instability.
Interesting. I'm suddenly realizing I have no idea what a sprain actually is. Internet definitions make it sound like a word that can encompass a pretty broad range of injuries.