Benintendi to Royals for Franchy Cordero, Mets RHP prospect Josh Winckowski, and 3 PTBNLs

nattysez

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Beni for a pitching lottery ticket and an OF 2 months younger and significantly worse than Beni. I'm sure there's a logical explanation...
 

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Winckowski is #20 on Baseball America for the Mets:

Ranked New York Mets #20 prospect in 2021
TRACK RECORD: Drafted in the 15th round out of high school by the Blue Jays, Winckowski spent three years in short-season ball and one more at Class A. He would have spent 2020 at Double-A had there been a minor league season. Winckowski was left unprotected in a deep Toronto system for the Rule 5 draft but went unselected.

SCOUTING REPORT: Winckowski logged a career high 127.1 innings in 2019, peaking at high Class A Dunedin. He logged a 2.69 ERA, struck out 108 and walked 43. Winckowski is a solid strike-thrower who did not go to Toronto's alternate training site last year but went to instructional league, where he ran his fastball up to 96 mph toward the end of camp and was in the process of learning a splitter.

THE FUTURE: Winckowski will serve as rotation depth for the Mets, probably at Double-A at the outset of 2021.
 

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Beni for a pitching lottery ticket and an OF 2 months younger and significantly worse than Beni. I'm sure there's a logical explanation...
There has to be more to it, the Mets part especially makes no sense currently.
 

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If it's just Cordero, this is puzzling.

We've kept up the mantra "In Chaim we trust" but there hasn't been much he's done that feels right at all.
Agreed. I am willing to give a mulligan on the Mookie trade, as it wasn't his fault and the return is likely to be pretty good.

But since then. Nada. I feel like we're getting the Tampa experience without the talent.

I was hoping that any Benintendi trade would at least facilitate keeping JBJ. But it doesn't seem like it.

This team has rapidly become a team of strangers.
 

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I hope there is a tad more coming back. And I don’t really see how the Mets are getting the best prospect, the Royals the best player, and the Red Sox getting something in between. Has to be some more.
 

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From Last May: What the scouts say
“He’s a guy I like a lot,” one National League evaluator said. “He’s young and he’s got plus pitchability, he’s not just a thrower. I gave him a present 50 with his control, which is very unusual. He has an excellent three-piece mix and his slider is a solid out pitch. He throws strikes, and has an idea of what he’s doing. He has a below-average arm action but he locates and gets the job done. He’s a little bit of a short armer, and short armers have a lot less injuries. He’s aggressive and he competes and he was up to 96 last year. There’s a lot to like.”

https://www.mlb.com/news/josh-winckowski-self-scouting-reportMore at the link with comments from Josh himself on how he was expecting to see an uptick in velo this past year into the upper 90's before Covid hit.
 

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Bloom must really think Beni is washed and that 3 years of Cordero and a random bullpen flyer are worth 2 years of Andrew? Why are the Royals doing this?
 

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Well, Benintendi has never had plus power, he hasn't had plus speed since 2019, he can barely play a decent LF let alone CF, and is under control through 2022. Otherwise...
Yet at the same age Benintendi has put up 8.5 fWAR to Cordero's 0.7. So one is an established quality MLB player and the other is an oft injured prospect on the edge of being a never-been.
 

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Agreed. I am willing to give a mulligan on the Mookie trade, as it wasn't his fault and the return is likely to be pretty good.

But since then. Nada. I feel like we're getting the Tampa experience without the talent.

I was hoping that any Benintendi trade would at least facilitate keeping JBJ. But it doesn't seem like it.

This team has rapidly become a team of strangers.
This pretty much captures my thoughts. I'm puzzled and deflated.

Edit: But if we're getting more players back, then we're probably dealing more than Benny. Stay tuned, I guess.
 

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Do you usually hear about good prospects at the end of reporting of a deal? Usually the best are reported first.

We'll see, I guess.
 

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First day here?

Folks want to trade Benintendi and then when we do we CLEARLY don't get enough.
I also like judging trades in the same offseason they occur in. Maybe the players are crap, but maybe we should see them in the lineup or not being able to make the lineup before saying that. Right now this doesn't make all that much sense to me either, but there seems to be more pieces involved.
 

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Tough crowd. All the rental trades in-season were pretty solid, in the weirdest of seasons.
 

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I also like judging trades in the same offseason they occur in. Maybe the players are crap, but maybe we should see them in the lineup or not being able to make the lineup before saying that. Right now this doesn't make all that much sense to me either, but there seems to be more pieces involved.
Bref projects Benintendi for a .773 OPS and Cordero for a .750 this season. Others can speak to their defense and cost, but they seem pretty close and we get a guy that's gonna likely slot into top 20 on our prospect list.
 

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Sounds like selling low
Well, after his last 2 seasons (even if one of them is only a 14 game sample) it would pretty much have to be. Even a team who is very bullish on him as a change of scenery guy isn't going to empty the farm for him.

I think most of Bloom's deals are going to come down to scouting assessments and the development of the lottery tickets.
 

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Bref projects Benintendi for a .773 OPS and Cordero for a .750 this season. Others can speak to their defense and cost, but they seem pretty close and we get a guy that's gonna likely slot into top 20 on our prospect list.
I mean, Benintendi's a doubles machine, but Cordero's time has been significantly spent at all three OF positions and SS. He's clearly more versatile in the field. Depending on who else the Sox are getting back, they may view his bat as one that will take advantage of the Green Monster.
 

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From RedSoxStats on Franchy:

Cordero had ridiculous power and speed combination, and this summer some of his underlying numbers started showing drastic improvement. I'm guessing this will be talked about. He kept his incredible barrel rate and hard hit numbers, while drastically cutting his swing and miss.

Even at worst, his power is so incredible it has let him play as a league average batter, with a ton of upside still. We'll see on all the minor leaguers and if the Sox opened up money.
View: https://twitter.com/redsoxstats/status/1359695500094672897?s=19
 

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Sad to lose Beni regardless of how the trade works out - lot's of great memories of him. I honestly thought he was going to win a batting title here. And goodbye Chaim if he ends up winning one in KC
 

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Sad to lose Beni regardless of how the trade works out - lot's of great memories of him. I honestly thought he was going to win a batting title here. And goodbye Chaim if he ends up winning one in KC
I thought he was gonna be something special too.
That catch against the Astros really was amazing.
 

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Bref projects Benintendi for a .773 OPS and Cordero for a .750 this season. Others can speak to their defense and cost, but they seem pretty close and we get a guy that's gonna likely slot into top 20 on our prospect list.
They also have Benintendi being a full time player (vs Cordero platooning) and putting up almost twice as much WAR. Because Beni might not be good at hitting lefties, but Cordero is abysmal at it. Also, Beni has a career to project those numbers from, whereas Cordero has barely played in the majors so the error bars are going to be a lot higher on his projection. I'm not saying he has to suck, he might be very good and just never gotten the chance. But Benintendi is much more of a known quantity and that is worth more.
 

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Benintendi is only 26, but he has just two years of service time remaining. He's a LF with a 107 OPS+, who was last seen being injured and terrible, but has been a legitimate All Star caliber player as recently as 2018. He's on the back half of a 2/$10m extension, and will have another Arb3 year after that in 2022 before FA. There's a danger of selling low.

Cordero is also 26. He's Arb1, and only earning $800k. He has (a lot) less hit tool than Benintendi, but more pop. He had a great season in AAA a few years ago, but has scuffled with injuries since then before being dealt at the 2020 deadline to KC for reliever Tim Hill to shore up SD's pen for their playoff push after an injury. Cordero is a proverbial tool shed, an outlier in terms of foot speed and raw power (Fangraphs in 2018: The Most Exciting Player on the Padres). There's superstar upside here, if he's actually healthy and can bring his K-rate under control (they were okay in the minors). Oh, and he can actually play CF.

Winckowski looks like a competent SP prospect for Portland, which fills in a gap in the SP pipeline.

But there should be something else meaningful coming back also for this to be a good trade, I agree.