Betts/Price to LA for Verdugo/Jeter Downs/TBA

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I think it’s Brusdar and given the fact that part of the trade made little sense if he was a left top 50 guy, it makes sense.
 
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Verdugo's back might not be bad enough to cancel the deal, but it could be used as leverage to get something else from the Dodgers
Wouldn't the Dodgers have provided all the records and disclosed everything they know about the condition of Verdugo's back? The Sox are obviously going to have a thorough medical evaluation done so why make a deal that could fall apart?
 

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Any medical hold-up should work in the Red Sox's favor. Given the public reaction to the deal thus far, Dodger executives will be under much more pressure to complete it. If the deal falls apart, Red Sox can always turn to the Padres.
 

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Any medical hold-up should work in the Red Sox's favor. Given the public reaction to the deal thus far, Dodger executives will be under much more pressure to complete it. If the deal falls apart, Red Sox can always turn to the Padres.
Not if it's Price whose physical is in question.
 

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Yeah if someone did fail a physical, I dunno why everyone's convinced it's Verdugo and not the guy who has already had TJ surgery and other problems.

edit: would also explain why he was available for Maeda.
Take another look at Maeda's deal: he's under an 8/$25m contract.

That contract has tremendous surplus value.
 

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Take another look at Maeda's deal: he's under an 8/$25m contract.

That contract has tremendous surplus value.
It has a lot less if MIN uses him as a SP all year:

"Maeda can earn up to $81.2 million in performance bonuses, $10.15 million each year based on games started and innings pitched, and being on the opening day roster, per the Associated Press:

  • Maeda will receive $150,000 each year for making the opening day active 25-man roster.
  • He will receive $1 million for each of 15 and 20 starts, and $1.5 million for each of 25, 30 and 32 starts.
  • Maeda each year will earn $250,000 for each of 90, 100, 110, 120, 130, 140, 150, 160, 170, 180 and 190 innings pitched, and $750,000 for 200 innings."
150 innings/25 starts moves his salary to $8 or $9M per year, I believe.
 

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I'm of one mind now. This works if the Red Sox use the tax reset and savings to re-sign Betts to a market-value mega deal in 2021. If not - they can go fuck themselves. Sports doesn't always have to be about money...and team loyalty/geography and competitiveness is sure as hell stronger than the number of rings they back into. Otherwise, those my age and somewhat younger would never have been Red Sox fans in the first place.

This could still work out great for everyone - if there's a plan to bring him back.
 

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See Savin Hillbilly’s trade simulator link. Bloom won on value massively.
this assumes the trade simulator is worth the bytes it is consuming on the internet. I find most of its results to be laughably inaccurate Ex ante, including this one. I think whoever programmed it has a serious case of prospect envy. The Dodgers got two players who will likely be very good in 2019; Alex Verdugo hasn’t swung a bat since last July and Graterol is already down one Tommy John surgery.

if the site’s caretakers manage to keep it up and running it would be an interesting experiment to backtest its results on completed trades. But you’d have to collect the data in real time, because I’m sure they’re going to use data to paper over the current flaws and make it better by adjusting the algorithm to adhere to reality. Currently I find it about as useful as a Ouija Board.
 
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It has a lot less if MIN uses him as a SP all year:

"Maeda can earn up to $81.2 million in performance bonuses, $10.15 million each year based on games started and innings pitched, and being on the opening day roster, per the Associated Press:

  • Maeda will receive $150,000 each year for making the opening day active 25-man roster.
  • He will receive $1 million for each of 15 and 20 starts, and $1.5 million for each of 25, 30 and 32 starts.
  • Maeda each year will earn $250,000 for each of 90, 100, 110, 120, 130, 140, 150, 160, 170, 180 and 190 innings pitched, and $750,000 for 200 innings."
150 innings/25 starts moves his salary to $8 or $9M per year, I believe.
I wonder what would happen if the Twins employed an opener in his starts so that the games started clause didn’t kick in? Union grievance maybe?

on the topic of a delay due to physicals, is it possible the Red Sox hadn’t contemplated how badly the off-field incident would poll, or were less plausibly claiming to be blindsided by it, and would thus use the back injury as an excuse to void it for character concerns raised?
 
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What did Gammons say about an injury? And can you direct us to it, please?
I can't link, but this is the quote; he doesn't actually mention medicals.

"Rumors are that there is more in this deal when announced. Draft picks? International slot $? A level players to be named later? No one knows"

But he obviously heard some rumblings that more will be included. Or he is senile, but I'd like to see Peter getting one last big scoop.
 

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I can't link, but this is the quote; he doesn't actually mention medicals. "Rumors are that there is more in this deal when announced. Draft picks? International slot $? A level players to be named later? No one knows" But he obviously heard some rumblings that more will be included. Or he is senile, but I'd like to see Peter getting one last big scoop.
Olney said the same thing on his podcast this morning, it wasn't about medicals, just minor extra pieces in the deal.
 

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I'm not as worried about the offense, because I'm quite high on Verdugo, but our rotation is looking like shit. I hope they have a plan for that rotation, because losing both Price and Porcello is big.
 

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I'm not as worried about the offense, because I'm quite high on Verdugo, but our rotation is looking like shit. I hope they have a plan for that rotation, because losing both Price and Porcello is big.
I feel like Perez reasonably fills the hole Rick left, for a fraction of the cost.

Personally I’d love to see them try and stretch out Darwinzen
 

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The wrong side of the bridge....
this assumes the trade simulator is worth the bytes it is consuming on the internet. I find most of its results to be laughably inaccurate Ex ante, including this one. I think whoever programmed it has a serious case of prospect envy.
The thing is, its methodology may be flawed, but at least it has a methodology, which inclines me to give it the benefit of the doubt over "I find" and "Any fool can see."
 

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Summary of Rosenthal:

Verdugo medicals are clear
Sox reportedly sending about half of Price's remaining $96m to Dodgers, which requires league approval
And...
The Red Sox, after viewing the medical records of Twins right-hander Brusdar Graterol, projected him more as a reliever than as a starter, according to sources involved with the discussions. As a result of that valuation, the Sox might ask for an additional player and/or money to bridge the gap, though it is unclear whether the player would come from the Twins or Dodgers, sources said.
I'm very curious how medicals indicate that a guy can relieve but not start
 

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Summary of Rosenthal:

Verdugo medicals are clear
Sox reportedly sending about half of Price's remaining $96m to Dodgers, which requires league approval
And...


I'm very curious how medicals indicate that a guy can relieve but not start
Assuming shoulder strength.
 

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that's unfortunate that his arm/shoulder may not be able to handle starting.

is Jeter Downs too much to ask for at this stage?
 

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Summary of Rosenthal:

Verdugo medicals are clear
Sox reportedly sending about half of Price's remaining $96m to Dodgers, which requires league approval
And...
I wonder if there is a way for Bloom to swap someone else for Verdugo. I also wonder if, given the chance, he would do so. I have to believe the Sox either miscalculated how much weight fans would give to Verdugo's baggage or, worse yet, didn't consider it at all. Its fairly obvious that he will have a very difficult time being given any kind of a fair shot by the media or people who root for the team.
 

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I wonder if there is a way for Bloom to swap someone else for Verdugo. I also wonder if, given the chance, he would do so. I have to believe the Sox either miscalculated how much weight fans would give to Verdugo's baggage or, worse yet, didn't consider it at all. Its fairly obvious that he will have a very difficult time being given any kind of a fair shot by the media or people who root for the team.
Has there been blowback on Verdugo in Boston? On sports radio or in any of the papers?
 

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I felt like I had to be vague with this one, but I think I got the point across.
you did good.

Verdugo will get blowback. he has already, just see the Verdugo thread. I'm sure the Sox were aware, but see him as a 4+ WAR upside player and the centerpiece of the deal.
 

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Summary of Rosenthal:

Verdugo medicals are clear
Sox reportedly sending about half of Price's remaining $96m to Dodgers, which requires league approval
And...


I'm very curious how medicals indicate that a guy can relieve but not start
And that explains why he was available for Maeda. When something is too good to be true, it usually is.

Blow up the deal unless you get another good piece.
 

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I'm very curious how medicals indicate that a guy can relieve but not start
The radiologist was able to slug the heck out of his #3 pitch?

Not really a surprise this would crop up as neither the Dodgers or the Sox would have compiled medical info on Graterol until the deal with the Twins went down.
 
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