Box Score Surprises

[Manuel Aristides]

So I'm too old and sleepy to stay up for 10pm start time games, which means I missed the sox blowing the first game of the Dodgers series last night. I caught up over breakfast, and was at first confused and then amused by Bernardino's box score from last night. I thought it might be fun to have a thread to collect strange box scores, which I've always been partial to. I feel like we've had a thread like this in the past but if so it was years ago. (Perhaps this is better in the MLB forum, since this need not be limited to Sox players? I'll trust the dopes to move it if so)

Anyway, last night, Bernardino: 0.0 IP, 2H, 1BB, 3ER, 3 pitches (3 strikes).

Probably this kind box is semi-common since the change to the IBB rules, but, it got a laugh out of me over my coffee to see a guy credited with a walk despite only throwing three pitches, all of them strikes.

 

[Brand Name]

Since the start of 2017 when the no-pitch IBB rule came into effect, Bernardino has just the 16th pitching performance (15th pitcher; Scott Alexander has done so twice) with a walk and three or fewer pitchers thrown. Here are a few random other tidbits about this type of outing I found:

-Ninth such game in 2024 to seven in 2023; teams are now 1-15 when this is the case.
-Alex Vesia who pitched in this game for LA also had such a game on March 30 this season, the first of 2024.
-Bernardino's is the only one of the 16 appearances in which multiple runs were allowed.

 

[PC Drunken Friar]

Nothing to add but Jess, you are a treasure chest of knowledge here and we are lucky to have you as a member.

 

[tims4wins]

Since the start of 2017 when the no-pitch IBB rule came into effect, Bernardino has just the 16th pitching performance (15th pitcher; Scott Alexander has done so twice) with a walk and three or fewer pitchers thrown. Here are a few random other tidbits about this type of outing I found:

-Ninth such game in 2024 to seven in 2023; teams are now 1-15 when this is the case.
-Alex Vesia who pitched in this game for LA also had such a game on March 30 this season, the first of 2024.
-Bernardino's is the only one of the 16 appearances in which multiple runs were allowed.

How many instances are there of 3 ER on 3 pitches??

 

[Brand Name]

How many instances are there of 3 ER on 3 pitches??

Like the last nugget says--none until Bernardino last night. Only one other one led to any earned runs period (six with one UER), which was interestingly the last one on the 3rd of this month by Jose Cuas.

And thanks much PCDF! My goal and pleasure to always research, answer, and respond in both ways asked and unexpected.

 

[tims4wins]

Like the last nugget says--none until Bernardino last night. Only one other one led to any earned runs period (six with one UER), which was interestingly the last one on the 3rd of this month by Jose Cuas.

And thanks much PCDF! My goal and pleasure to always research, answer, and respond in both ways asked and unexpected.

Ah sorry missed the last line.

 

[geoflin]

How many instances are there of 3 ER on 3 pitches??

Like the last nugget says--none until Bernardino last night. Only one other one led to any earned runs period (six with one UER), which was interestingly the last one on the 3rd of this month by Jose Cuas.

It's possible, don't know if it ever happened, for there to be 3 ER on 3 pitches any time since baseball began being played, just not with a walk included.

 

[Manuel Aristides]

Nothing to add but Jess, you are a treasure chest of knowledge here and we are lucky to have you as a member.

Hard agree. This was a thin thread premise and I was hoping someone could fill in with some fun additional stats. Thanks, @Brand Name ! Knew it probably wasn't unique; turns out it is in its way. Neat.

 

[tims4wins]

It's possible, don't know if it ever happened, for there to be 3 ER on 3 pitches any time since baseball began being played, just not with a walk included.

Right. By definition it would have to be a hit or HBP, then a hit or HBP to the next guy, then a home run, on 3 consecutive pitches (prior to the auto-IBB era).

 

[E5 Yaz]

Right. By definition it would have to be a hit or HBP, then a hit or HBP to the next guy, then a home run, on 3 consecutive pitches (prior to the auto-IBB era).

Or three first-pitch home runs

 

[Max Power]

Right. By definition it would have to be a hit or HBP, then a hit or HBP to the next guy, then a home run, on 3 consecutive pitches (prior to the auto-IBB era).

Or just three hits, getting replaced, and having all your inherited (bequeathed?) runners score.

 

[tims4wins]

Or three first-pitch home runs

Or just three hits, getting replaced, and having all your inherited (bequeathed?) runners score.

Good catches

 

[Brand Name]

Ah, okay, I misinterpreted this to be with the IBB, given the OP. My mistake.

So let's re-run! Sadly pitch counts were only tracked regularly going back to 1988 for all teams although the Dodgers in particular tracked them for a long time before then. When you do it like that from the games we know, you get one other game from May 1990, by Rick Mahler.

 

[E5 Yaz]

@Brand Name
Hey Jess, thanks as always. I have a question about a game last month against the Padres.
San Diego won 9-2, with all 9 runs scored in the fifth inning ... so the linescore went 0-0-0-0-9-0-0-0-0. Any way of finding out something like that's ever been done with that many runs before? I'm guessing it's been done with fewer runs.
The other odd thing in that box is that the 9 runs were scored by 9 different players. Seems like usually someone makes an out in an inning like that and another player scores twice.

https://www.mlb.com/gameday/padres-vs-red-sox/2024/06/28/746939/final/box

 

[Manuel Aristides]

Ah, okay, I misinterpreted this to be with the IBB, given the OP. My mistake.

So let's re-run! Sadly pitch counts were only tracked regularly going back to 1988 for all teams although the Dodgers in particular tracked them for a long time before then. When you do it like that from the games we know, you get one other game from May 1990, by Rick Mahler.

And that one is super odd as well! PBP says that this was: Single, Single, Fielder's Choice with no out recorded. These two performances deserve each other.

 

[Sox Pride]

Interesting - Mahler gave up two singles and a FC - loading the bases with nobody out
I hadn't considered a FC leading to no outs as a source for an Ernie...

 

[Brand Name]

@Brand Name
Hey Jess, thanks as always. I have a question about a game last month against the Padres.
San Diego won 9-2, with all 9 runs scored in the fifth inning ... so the linescore went 0-0-0-0-9-0-0-0-0. Any way of finding out something like that's ever been done with that many runs before? I'm guessing it's been done with fewer runs.
The other odd thing in that box is that the 9 runs were scored by 9 different players. Seems like usually someone makes an out in an inning like that and another player scores twice.

https://www.mlb.com/gameday/padres-vs-red-sox/2024/06/28/746939/final/box

Glad to be here answering, thanks for asking.

Yep, record there for most runs scored in an inning but only that inning is 13, actually done twice (assured to at least 1969, probably longer):

-Braves, September 20 1972
-Phillies, April 13 2003

Dewey was in the Braves game, and draws an odd opposite to your linked game, as Mike Lum was the only Atlanta batter in the starting nine to fail to score that frame (and by extension, game). In neither of these games did a batter make multiple outs in their respective 13 run affairs.

 

[Sox Pride]

But were those box scores palindromes? Scoring all your runs in the fifth inning is a special accomplishment.

 

[Brand Name]

But were those box scores palindromes? Scoring all your runs in the fifth inning is a special accomplishment.

The Giants on May 7, 2007, Jays on August 24, 2005, Rockies on July 31 2005, Rangers on September 14, 1988 can all say this too, all with nine run fifths, finished with 9 runs.

Largest I can find with runs all in one inning, scoreboard is a palindrome (so 5th inning) is 11 runs, done once since 1969. White Sox over Royals, September 17, 2007.

 

[E5 Yaz]

The Giants on May 7, 2007, Jays on August 24, 2005, Rockies on July 31 2005, Rangers on September 14, 1988 can all say this too, all with nine run fifths, finished with 9 runs.

Largest I can find with runs all in one inning, scoreboard is a palindrome (so 5th inning) is 11 runs, done once since 1969. White Sox over Royals, September 17, 2007.

Dang

 

[jon abbey]

Anyway, last night, Bernardino: 0.0 IP, 2H, 1BB, 3ER, 3 pitches (3 strikes).

Bernardino: 3 pitches, 3 ER
All other pitchers in this game combined: 374 pitches, 2 ER

 

[Paveskovich's Pole]

When an MLB team forfeits a game, the score automatically is recorded as 9-0. One of the last forfeits was by Earl Weaver in 1977 who pulled his players with the O's losing 4-0. How do the other 5 runs get "box-scored"?

 

[SirPsychoSquints]

When an MLB team forfeits a game, the score automatically is recorded as 9-0. One of the last forfeits was by Earl Weaver in 1977 who pulled his players with the O's losing 4-0. How do the other 5 runs get "box-scored"?

B-ref still shows it as 4-0, 5 innings

https://www.baseball-reference.com/boxes/TOR/TOR197709150.shtml

“Game was forfeited to the home team.
This game ended as a forfeit to the Blue Jays after Earl Weaver removed his team from the field in the fifth inning and refused to continue play. Weaver felt that a tarp covering the bullpen mound in foul territory represented an injury risk and the umpire refused to have the tarp removed.”

 

[Humphrey]

B-ref still shows it as 4-0, 5 innings

https://www.baseball-reference.com/boxes/TOR/TOR197709150.shtml

“Game was forfeited to the home team.
This game ended as a forfeit to the Blue Jays after Earl Weaver removed his team from the field in the fifth inning and refused to continue play. Weaver felt that a tarp covering the bullpen mound in foul territory represented an injury risk and the umpire refused to have the tarp removed.”

Surprised one of the umps wasn't Ron Luciano- he and Earl went at it seemingly every Baltimore game Luciano worked.

Also surprised that Baltimore was still very much in the AL East race and Earl nevertheless threw in the towel. Plus, Toronto at that point in time was terrible, especially pitching-wise (the same year the Sox hit 8 homers off their staff on the 4th of July).

A bad weather night for sure...the field conditions say "soaked".

 

[Paveskovich's Pole]

It seems that MLB retains the stats earned before a forfeit occurs ... except pitching Win/Loss. I found an interesting box score from September 26, 1942 Boston Braves v NY Giants. Future Battle of the Bulge war hero Warren Spahn pitched to a 7 inning complete game 2-5 score.
https://www.baseball-reference.com/boxes/NY1/NY1194209262.shtml

 

[runnels3]

It seems that MLB retains the stats earned before a forfeit occurs ... except pitching Win/Loss. I found an interesting box score from September 26, 1942 Boston Braves v NY Giants. Future Battle of the Bulge war hero Warren Spahn pitched to a 7 inning complete game 2-5 score.
https://www.baseball-reference.com/boxes/NY1/NY1194209262.shtml

Interesting forfeit -

BRAVES 8TH: Holmes walked; Roberge popped to shortstop; Waner
grounded out (second to first) [Holmes to second]; Fernandez
doubled [Holmes scored]; West grounded out (second to first);
Game called, forfeit for visitors as thousands of youngsters,
allowed in free for scrap drive reward, swarm field; all stats
count; 1 R, 1 H, 0 E, 1 LOB. Braves 2, Giants 5.

Final Totals R H E LOB
Braves 2 6 1 6
Giants 5 10 0 7

 

[Al Zarilla]

Interesting forfeit -

BRAVES 8TH: Holmes walked; Roberge popped to shortstop; Waner
grounded out (second to first) [Holmes to second]; Fernandez
doubled [Holmes scored]; West grounded out (second to first);
Game called, forfeit for visitors as thousands of youngsters,
allowed in free for scrap drive reward, swarm field; all stats
count; 1 R, 1 H, 0 E, 1 LOB. Braves 2, Giants 5.

Final Totals R H E LOB
Braves 2 6 1 6
Giants 5 10 0 7

Look at that old Boston Braves symbol. Never saw that before. Spahnie had a remarkable career with 13 20+ games won seasons, including one at 42 years of age.I guess nothing probably scared him after the Battle of the Bulge. Thanks to Pesky’s Pole for finding the box score.

 

[Humphrey]

Here's something I'm a bit puzzled about...

The Dodger game on Saturday, both Jansen and Weissert got credit for blown saves. Made perfect sense.

But on Monday, Horn got a BS but Kelly didn't. Why (at least according to Baseball Reference)? Kelly gave up a 2 run dinger with the Sox up 2 in the 10th (or 11th) to tie the game.

 

[Salem's Lot]

Here's something I'm a bit puzzled about...

The Dodger game on Saturday, both Jansen and Weissert got credit for blown saves. Made perfect sense.

But on Monday, Horn got a BS but Kelly didn't. Why (at least according to Baseball Reference)? Kelly gave up a 2 run dinger with the Sox up 2 in the 10th (or 11th) to tie the game.

Maybe because of the automatic runner, they don’t count that as a blown save? That’s the only possible thing that I can think of.

 

[geoflin]

Kelly also had pitched the 9th inning so was in line for a win, not a save. That's why it wasn't a blown save.