Boychuk Traded to the Islanders for Picks
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Not a bad return though. Two seconds (2015 and 2016) and a conditional third.
Maybe this means Bartkowski/Seidenberg is the second pair. Or Seidenberg/McQuaid, I guess.
Maybe this means Bartkowski/Seidenberg is the second pair. Or Seidenberg/McQuaid, I guess.
I know this basically had to happen and the return for an impending UFA is more than fair.....this sucks.
I hate this. Boychuk was their second best defenseman last year and I think he was very underrated. Ughhhhh
I don't think Miller is a top 4 guy, at least not yet. Last year he was sheltered and then overmatched badly against Montreal. Less reliable than a healthy McQuaid, IMO.Ed Hillel said:
Damn, I know that the salary cap necessitated this, but I hate to see Boychuk go.... totally agree with BSF that he was underrated on the blue line and I really don't think there are any in-house options to replace him.
Probably as good a return as could have been hoped for, though.
Probably as good a return as could have been hoped for, though.
I hate this too. Really it's a smart move by a GM to trade an impending UFA when the team is up against the cap and planning for the future, but it's tough. Boychuk will be missed.
I was tweeting with @downgoesbrown about the cap, and how I wondered if the NHL was worried about teams like CHI, BOS,etc. who play great hockey, getting broken up because of it. He replied that "it's more of a feature than a bug" and he is right.
This move, if anything, is good because it skims out of the middle to create space as opposed to trading huge talent. Time for the young guys to step up.
Oh, and PLEASE GOD I would like Seids and McQuaid healthy for the playoffs along with Z and Dougie.
I was tweeting with @downgoesbrown about the cap, and how I wondered if the NHL was worried about teams like CHI, BOS,etc. who play great hockey, getting broken up because of it. He replied that "it's more of a feature than a bug" and he is right.
This move, if anything, is good because it skims out of the middle to create space as opposed to trading huge talent. Time for the young guys to step up.
Oh, and PLEASE GOD I would like Seids and McQuaid healthy for the playoffs along with Z and Dougie.
Well the good news is, these 2nd round picks will probably be in the first 5-10 picks of the round. So that's pretty cool.
Sad to see him go, but the writing was on the wall. They couldn't hang on to him next year with the money he would get paid, so it's a smart business move. It's a tough hockey move though. I love Johnny. Gonna miss him, but this should help stabilize the back end for the Islanders. Good move for them.
The value is fine but I really hate trading Boychuk when 50% of your top 4 is an aging Chara and an aging, coming off major knee surgery Seidenberg. I don't believe any of Krug, Miller, Bartkowski or McQuaid are viable top 4 defencemen.
The Isles are terrified of finishing in the bottom 2 and handing the Sabres McDavid or Eichel. Come hell or high water they'll do their best to finished 3rd to last.
I may be biased, but with Boychuk, Leddy and Halak, the Isles are a playoff team. Huge offseason for Garth Snow, he waited out Boston and Chicago, and got both players.cshea said:
This hurts. I think they are almost forced to play Seids with Bart. Krug isn't a 2nd pair dman and Miller or McQuaid with Seids is an awfully slow pairing. If Seids isn't back to near 100%, Chara and Dougie are going to log some huge minutes. I'm guessing this also means they won't try to pass Warsofsky through waivers and carry 8 D.
Edit: missed that Warsofsky already hit waivers.
Edit: missed that Warsofsky already hit waivers.
Oh I agree, especially in the wastelands of the Metro division. But it seems like Snow and the Isles are a bit more urgent in shoving the chips in this year because of the loss of the draft pick next year.brienc said:
Squandering that pick was definitely a factor, but the change in ownership, and upcoming move to Brooklyn are the bigger reasons why they are finally adding payroll. It seems like the days of Garth trading for cap hits to stay above the floor are over. Finally.cshea said:
It will be interesting to see. This won;t really hurt the Bruins much if at all in the regular season. We will have to judge it in the playoffs.
I am sad to see JB go. At the same time I did not want to be the team who pays JB 6 years 33-36 million. So I was treating this the whole time as a player who would not be here in 2015/2016
Guys get better and the need the opportunity to do so. Bart played #4 for 50 games last year and it sure didn't hurt in the regular season. It might have hurt in the postseason, but so did Chara being hurt and being a fraction of himself, so did Kelly being hurt and not playing, etc.
We view Boychuck as the guy coming off the best couple years of his career. We need to remember when Boychuk was Bart's age he was barely an NHL fill in guy. When he was Krug's age he was playing 4th line forward in the AHL, because he was such a trainwreck in his own zone.
I am sad to see JB go. At the same time I did not want to be the team who pays JB 6 years 33-36 million. So I was treating this the whole time as a player who would not be here in 2015/2016
Guys get better and the need the opportunity to do so. Bart played #4 for 50 games last year and it sure didn't hurt in the regular season. It might have hurt in the postseason, but so did Chara being hurt and being a fraction of himself, so did Kelly being hurt and not playing, etc.
We view Boychuck as the guy coming off the best couple years of his career. We need to remember when Boychuk was Bart's age he was barely an NHL fill in guy. When he was Krug's age he was playing 4th line forward in the AHL, because he was such a trainwreck in his own zone.
Not much to say here, others have covered it well. I understand why he had to be traded, because of the cap, but it still stings a bit.
Another team with fairly high expectations loses a couple of key pieces but otherwise stands pat. Sounds an awful lot like your 2014 Red Sox and Patriots.
Marbleheader said:
I prefer to call it the Seahawks Impending Issue. The Bruins won the Cup and then made the Final with their core of guys that got locked up. Lots of those guys got big raises to keep them, which means the Boychuks of the world had to depart. Similarly, the Seahawks are going to face their own reckoning because their QB is making 600K right now and their star CB is also due for a huge raise. What choice will they have but to sign those guys long term and then let the Brandon Browners of the world walk?
Cap management is a bitch.
I hate the trade, but I'm also in the camp that doesn't trust Bartkowski. I would have preferred all attempts at maximizing the current team's chances of winning another Cup and obviously this is dinging that chance to bring in future draft picks. I just disagree with the philosophy there. It's not the end of the world to lose a free agent to the market. I think this year's team is one top 4 D short now to start, and due to injury potential it's not a stretch to think it could be a big problem going into the playoffs.
I'm not a fan of the direction of the team over the last year or two. I think the results of this season should dictate Chiarelli's future here.
I'm not a fan of the direction of the team over the last year or two. I think the results of this season should dictate Chiarelli's future here.
I'll sorely miss those moments when it looks like JB had to have broken a leg or something, only to return a shift later.
I think this unit is still average at worst.
Good return in a tough position, though it'll be annoying when a worse player fetches a 1st rounder at the deadline.
I think this unit is still average at worst.
Good return in a tough position, though it'll be annoying when a worse player fetches a 1st rounder at the deadline.
slidingsideways said:
If you're going to say Chiarelli screwed up, you need to at least say what you would have done differently.
I agree with everyone, love JB, but he wasn't going to be here next year and those picks are a haul for 1 year of a 3/4th defenseman. Even getting rid of his $3.4 mil cap hit, they still have cap issues. They didn't have a lot of options and had to make a tough decision.
He was the most consistent and reliable Bruins defenseman. I'm including Chara in that assessment. Hate to see him go, though I do understand that it had to happen.
Come on man.ngruz25 said:
Give Boychuk Chara's minutes and he'd be a mess. Boychuk is a solid defenseman, but I agree with EJ. Give the kids a shot and see what happens.
I would rather have seen McQuaid go, but they got a good return and good cap relief. I'm not all that torn up about this. I think they have enough in the pipeline to make this almost insignificant.
This is the best possible move Chiarelli could have made given the situation.
Boychuk had the biggest cap hit, this frees up space, and near the trade deadline, this space can be leveraged for a decent player, if needed.
Boychuk also was the best player, and got the biggest return. 2 high 2nd round picks is a good haul for just 1 year of a 2nd pairing defenseman.
I think McQuaid or Miller will be fine 2nd line matchups with Seidenberg. McQuaid has looked MUCH better in camp this year (he put on 15 pounds and gained a step of speed), and Miller's performance reminds me a LOT of Boychuk when he came up.
Someone HAD to go, and I think that this was the best possible decision. This team will still be one of the best teams in the division, conference, and league.
Boychuk had the biggest cap hit, this frees up space, and near the trade deadline, this space can be leveraged for a decent player, if needed.
Boychuk also was the best player, and got the biggest return. 2 high 2nd round picks is a good haul for just 1 year of a 2nd pairing defenseman.
I think McQuaid or Miller will be fine 2nd line matchups with Seidenberg. McQuaid has looked MUCH better in camp this year (he put on 15 pounds and gained a step of speed), and Miller's performance reminds me a LOT of Boychuk when he came up.
Someone HAD to go, and I think that this was the best possible decision. This team will still be one of the best teams in the division, conference, and league.
Love Boychuk. Hate to see him go. Like the haul. Gotta make sacrifices somewhere and this is one of the least painful ones given the current situation.
Me too.
Anything that increases the chances of Bartkowski playing faces a high hurdle for me. He's awful.
If this is the precursor to a bigger move using the space and maybe another dump, I'll be happier. I know that's what Chiarelli's going for.
Basically, I just hate Bartkowski.
Anything that increases the chances of Bartkowski playing faces a high hurdle for me. He's awful.
If this is the precursor to a bigger move using the space and maybe another dump, I'll be happier. I know that's what Chiarelli's going for.
Basically, I just hate Bartkowski.
Bart may well be the 7th man//injury replacement and see little ice time this year.
At least, that's what I'm telling myself.
At least, that's what I'm telling myself.
If Bart is now the #4 D-man, at least he'll be protected by playing with the Bergeron line. It would surprise me if they put him on the PK, but who knows. Kelly and Paille (along with Bergeron and ?) matter more there.
I liked Boychuk perhaps more than the average fan. Bummed to see him go, but the die was cast.
I wonder if the other impact of this move is keeping grinders on the fourth line rather than the skilled-but-defensively-iffy Spooners, Griffiths, and Khokos of the world... an olive branch to Clode, if you will.
I liked Boychuk perhaps more than the average fan. Bummed to see him go, but the die was cast.
I wonder if the other impact of this move is keeping grinders on the fourth line rather than the skilled-but-defensively-iffy Spooners, Griffiths, and Khokos of the world... an olive branch to Clode, if you will.
j44thor said:
Agree with this. But when Chris Kelly at 3m is the only bad contract on the team, and everyone is (rightfully) sad/upset about Johnny Boychuk getting traded shortly before he signs somewhere else anyway, it's not that bad at all in perspective. Chia has really done a great job keeping the core of this team together. It sucks to lose guys who have been great players for this team, but we've had to deal with this sort of thing a lot less than almost every other team the past few years
There are some parallels with the situation the Patriots are currently in, Brady and Chara are the cornerstone of their teams and both are 37 years old. And like the Patriots, I don't want the Bruins mortgaging the future to slightly improve their chances during the last year or two of Chara's career. They are one of the best teams in the league now and have a legit chance of winning the cup every year. I think he'll be a huge loss when he's gone but if they play their cards right, they'll still be one of the best teams in the league for the next 5 years after him.
Drunk, so not going to go to in depth yet, but would just like to acknowledge that kenney is someone who has their shit together when it comes to issues like this. So does one of our overlords who we haven't from yet...these are some rational voices I'd be listening to IMO.
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