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I think this quote from Brady during his brief retirement was telling:

"I think maybe what I'd wish for my children is to find something they love to do like I have. But I think I've taken things to an extreme, too," he said. "There are imbalances in my life and I hope they don't take things as far as I've taken them. I want them to experience great success in whatever they do. But there's a torment about me that I don't wish upon them."
From: https://people.com/parents/tom-brady-gets-emotional-while-talking-about-fatherhood-we-want-our-kids-to-be-happy/

I mean that last sentence says it all, his dedication to football is a "torment" to him. Gisele had to have known that since they've been together so long, but the realization for both of them that he can't stop playing even when it means his family must have been brutal.

Of course I guess there's a chance that him returning to play and their divorce are unrelated, but at least from the outside that seems unlikely.
 

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I think this quote from Brady during his brief retirement was telling:

From: https://people.com/parents/tom-brady-gets-emotional-while-talking-about-fatherhood-we-want-our-kids-to-be-happy/

I mean that last sentence says it all, his dedication to football is a "torment" to him. Gisele had to have known that since they've been together so long, but the realization for both of them that he can't stop playing even when it means his family must have been brutal.

Of course I guess there's a chance that him returning to play and their divorce are unrelated, but at least from the outside that seems unlikely.
I'm sure there is more than just football leading to this but it's just sad that Brady is so driven to play football that he may be willing to sacrifice his marriage and, likely time with his kids, for it. And going through it publicly has to be just awful for all involved.
 

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He could have retired after any season in the past 10 years and gone out as the GOAT and wouldn't do it. More particularly he could have retired after SB 52 or SB55 at the height of his accomplishments, as a champion and winner and lead a life of adulation and luxury. And yet he couldn't walk away.

Throwing your marriage away over football when you're already the GOAT after a 20 year career is certainly a choice. But IMO it's a poor one.
 

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If they’re really headed for divorce, it would have a bigger impact on my thoughts about Brady than his leaving NE for TB.

It was hard not to admire his dedication and work ethic when it became more detailed through TB12, even though it was a bit odd. But I’m disappointed in him if his desire to play became so obsessive that it splits his kids’ family and home.
 

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He could have retired after any season in the past 10 years and gone out as the GOAT and wouldn't do it. More particularly he could have retired after SB 52 or SB55 at the height of his accomplishments, as a champion and winner and lead a life of adulation and luxury. And yet he couldn't walk away.

Throwing your marriage away over football when you're already the GOAT after a 20 year career is certainly a choice. But IMO it's a poor one.
As great as he is, he's like nearly every other pro athlete ever in that they keep playing as long as they can. Indeed, many (most?) play (or try to play) *longer* than they actually can, and have to be told that "it's time to go." The only part of him that's different in this regard is that he hasn't reached the "can't play" stage at age 45, while most reach it much earlier in their lives, their marriages, and their children's lives. It's all uncharted territory. He's like one of those satellites that NASA expected to flame out when it reached Neptune, but it kept sending signals past the end of the solar system. Nobody knows what comes next.
 

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As great as he is, he's like nearly every other pro athlete ever in that they keep playing as long as they can. Indeed, many (most?) play (or try to play) *longer* than they actually can, and have to be told that "it's time to go." The only part of him that's different in this regard is that he hasn't reached the "can't play" stage at age 45, while most reach it much earlier in their lives, their marriages, and their children's lives. It's all uncharted territory. He's like one of those satellites that NASA expected to flame out when it reached Neptune, but it kept sending signals past the end of the solar system. Nobody knows what comes next.
Of course. He can obviously still play at a high level. And he hasn't paid the physical price one might expect. But the price did go up, and it was his domestic life that he sacrificed to play another year despite not needing to. Only he can determine if that's a fair price to pay. From my POV it seems like a stupendously idiotic decision.

Brady "divorced" the Patriots and Belichick after 20 years because he wanted to do his own thing. Then he "divorced" Arians by arranging him to get booted upstairs. Now he's divorcing his wife. At some point it's clear that he's the issue here.
 

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He could have retired after any season in the past 10 years and gone out as the GOAT and wouldn't do it. More particularly he could have retired after SB 52 or SB55 at the height of his accomplishments, as a champion and winner and lead a life of adulation and luxury. And yet he couldn't walk away.

Throwing your marriage away over football when you're already the GOAT after a 20 year career is certainly a choice. But IMO it's a poor one.
He also could’ve thrown away his marriage by moping around/being insufferable because he wasn’t playing football when he wasn’t ready to retire.
 

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Of course. He can obviously still play at a high level. And he hasn't paid the physical price one might expect. But the price did go up, and it was his domestic life that he sacrificed to play another year despite not needing to. Only he can determine if that's a fair price to pay. From my POV it seems like a stupendously idiotic decision.

Brady "divorced" the Patriots and Belichick after 20 years because he wanted to do his own thing. Then he "divorced" Arians by arranging him to get booted upstairs. Now he's divorcing his wife. At some point it's clear that he's the issue here.
He is the issue, I agree. All I'm saying is that for all the GOAT talk, when you get right down to it, he's not a whole lot different than any other pro athlete ever, most of whom would tell Mr. Applegate*: "I'll keep playing at a high level into my 40s, even if it means divorce and even if I have teenage kids." Unfortunately, this is Earth in 2022, and I suspect the football troglodytes will be out in full force blaming the woman "for making him choose" between family and career.

*Damn Yankees (film) - Wikipedia
 

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Of course. He can obviously still play at a high level. And he hasn't paid the physical price one might expect. But the price did go up, and it was his domestic life that he sacrificed to play another year despite not needing to. Only he can determine if that's a fair price to pay. From my POV it seems like a stupendously idiotic decision.

Brady "divorced" the Patriots and Belichick after 20 years because he wanted to do his own thing. Then he "divorced" Arians by arranging him to get booted upstairs. Now he's divorcing his wife. At some point it's clear that he's the issue here.
Brady divorced the Patriots and Belichick because they wouldn't (understandably) give him an extension with guaranteed money. 3/75 after the end of 2018 and he'd still be a Patriot. That situation wasn't all on him and most marriages don't end due to the fault of a single party either.
 

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As a divorced guy myself, I find it hard to judge any other couple's decision to stay together or get divorced. The reality is that divorce is sometimes the better option (it certainly was for me). So I'd be hard pressed to say that Brady getting divorced makes me think less of him. They lead a bizarre life anyway, and shit happens.

Assuming for a minute, though, that him playing again is at least a main factor behind a theoretical divorce, his single-mindedness, dedication and, let's face it, obsession with the game is a big reason why he's the GOAT. It's not that surprising he can't turn that off, even if it may cost him his marriage. And if the conclusion he reached was that he'd resent Gisele if he retired when he could still play for her, and she just couldn't deal with being asked again to play second fiddle to his career, then maybe they were just unfortunately at that point that comes in some marriages where the two people want fundamentally different things, and a divorce might makes sense.
 

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As a divorced guy myself, I find it hard to judge any other couple's decision to stay together or get divorced. The reality is that divorce is sometimes the better option (it certainly was for me). So I'd be hard pressed to say that Brady getting divorced makes me think less of him. They lead a bizarre life anyway, and shit happens.

Assuming for a minute, though, that him playing again is at least a main factor behind a theoretical divorce, his single-mindedness, dedication and, let's face it, obsession with the game is a big reason why he's the GOAT. It's not that surprising he can't turn that off, even if it may cost him his marriage. And if the conclusion he reached was that he'd resent Gisele if he retired when he could still play for her, then maybe they were just unfortunately at that point that comes in some marriages where the two people want fundamentally different things, and a divorce might makes sense.
This is very fair. And re-reading my own posts on this, I'm really not "blaming" Brady. This is who he is. I doubt either of them knew it 10 years ago (even if he hoped for his current level of success).
 

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Regardless of the truth of this, I believe Brady has officially reached the part of the bell curve where hanging on, even in the face of his performance, has begun to hurt, rather than help, his legacy.

He's had a weird side that people have commented on but kind of ignored because he's been so good for so long. But between the obvious plastic surgery and gaunt appearance this year and now this, it really seems like he's risking having his legacy include the phrase "cautionary tale" in addition to his on-field accomplishments.
 

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He could have retired after any season in the past 10 years and gone out as the GOAT and wouldn't do it. More particularly he could have retired after SB 52 or SB55 at the height of his accomplishments, as a champion and winner and lead a life of adulation and luxury. And yet he couldn't walk away.

Throwing your marriage away over football when you're already the GOAT after a 20 year career is certainly a choice. But IMO it's a poor one.
I think this oversimplifies things. It's very possible that there was never a single moment where he knew he was trading football for family. It was likely a much more gradual decay of the relationship. Sometimes you have blinders on and think everything is fine until suddenly it's irrecoverable.

Also, I think it's unfair to judge him for it. Who knows if any of us would respond differently if we were in his exact same shoes. It has to be really tough giving up doing what you love. Very few of us enjoy that luxury. Even fewer happen to be the best who ever did it.
 

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Is it fair, or accurate to assume the reason they are getting divorced is his reluctance to retire?? Maybe he keeps playing because he can’t stand being around his wife? We have no idea what’s going on behind the scenes. And remember. Marriage is hard. Really hard. Rich or poor.
 

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Regardless of the truth of this, I believe Brady has officially reached the part of the bell curve where hanging on, even in the face of his performance, has begun to hurt, rather than help, his legacy.

He's had a weird side that people have commented on but kind of ignored because he's been so good for so long. But between the obvious plastic surgery and gaunt appearance this year and now this, it really seems like he's risking having his legacy include the phrase "cautionary tale" in addition to his on-field accomplishments.
100% agree with this. When he initially announced his retirement, there was an outpouring of appreciation. But also of relief; he had simply stayed on the scene too long for many fans' liking. Coming back again has caused much more eye-rolling than any kind of appreciation.

I said a long time ago that he was in a conundrum because he was so competitive: he wouldn't go out on top because he'd know he could still play, but he couldn't go out on the downslope because he'd want to end on a positive note. So he's been kind of stuck for a few years. And now he's paying the price.
 

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I'll be sad to see all of the tabloid headlines waiting in the grocery store line. Wish this sort of thing didn't have that kind of affect on our society that it does.
 

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Is it fair, or accurate to assume the reason they are getting divorced is his reluctance to retire?? Maybe he keeps playing because he can’t stand being around his wife? We have no idea what’s going on behind the scenes. And remember. Marriage is hard. Really hard. Rich or poor.
I've been married 21 years, you don't have to tell me it's very hard.

We obviously don't have details of the inner working of his home life, but the persistent rumors have been around for years that she was unhappy with how much time he had spent away from the family for football and that she was urging him to retire so he could be with the kids more. Of course it's just rumor but those stories have stayed pretty consistent.

Maybe she snores. I dunno.
 

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Brady also seemed to go through a massive Big Pimpin' phase once he left Bill/NE and won in TB. The Crypto ads, the swagger, the public drunkenness ... the guy has acted like he just got out of prison the last 2+ years. I can't help but think the emotional release we've been watching has played a role in his marriage breaking down. It all makes me feel badly for his whole family.
 

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He could have retired after any season in the past 10 years and gone out as the GOAT and wouldn't do it. More particularly he could have retired after SB 52 or SB55 at the height of his accomplishments, as a champion and winner and lead a life of adulation and luxury. And yet he couldn't walk away.

Throwing your marriage away over football when you're already the GOAT after a 20 year career is certainly a choice. But IMO it's a poor one.
Yeah. I've oversimplifying (but it's the internet so who cares)--if you can't give up the NFL for Gisele Bundchen then you are way way way too into in, especially at this age.
 

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Brady also seemed to go through a massive Big Pimpin' phase once he left Bill/NE and won in TB. The Crypto ads, the swagger, the public drunkenness ... the guy has acted like he just got out of prison the last 2+ years. I can't help but think the emotional release we've been watching has played a role in his marriage breaking down. It all makes me feel badly for his whole family.
It definitely was a different version of him than we were accustomed to seeing. It would be pretty sad to see him wake up next July looking like 2015 Peyton Manning and desperately trying to cling onto his career as the only thing he's got left.
 

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He could have retired after any season in the past 10 years and gone out as the GOAT and wouldn't do it. More particularly he could have retired after SB 52 or SB55 at the height of his accomplishments, as a champion and winner and lead a life of adulation and luxury. And yet he couldn't walk away.

Throwing your marriage away over football when you're already the GOAT after a 20 year career is certainly a choice. But IMO it's a poor one.
Of course it is a poor choice. But it also is a reflection of what made him the GOAT in the first place. Ridiculous drive, love for the game, insane studying, practice, training, nutrition that may or may not have ventured into overkill. Having a routine that he wouldn't compromise. The world is full of people who reach the top who make bizarre choices that I would never make, but I'm not at the top.

Bobby Orr is by all accounts normal, so I will grant that it doesn't have to be this way.
 

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Brady also seemed to go through a massive Big Pimpin' phase once he left Bill/NE and won in TB. The Crypto ads, the swagger, the public drunkenness ... the guy has acted like he just got out of prison the last 2+ years. I can't help but think the emotional release we've been watching has played a role in his marriage breaking down. It all makes me feel badly for his whole family.
Remember how pretty much every journalist was like "see how much happier he is?". This may have happened here too, but it's all sad.
 

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Its interesting reading these posts, because it further makes me realize the fine line between something like "work ethic" and "addiction." Now I'm not saying he's addicted at all, but you could easily replace "football" in these posts with "alcohol" and they'd read the same.
 

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As a divorced guy myself, I find it hard to judge any other couple's decision to stay together or get divorced. The reality is that divorce is sometimes the better option (it certainly was for me). So I'd be hard pressed to say that Brady getting divorced makes me think less of him. They lead a bizarre life anyway, and shit happens.

Assuming for a minute, though, that him playing again is at least a main factor behind a theoretical divorce, his single-mindedness, dedication and, let's face it, obsession with the game is a big reason why he's the GOAT. It's not that surprising he can't turn that off, even if it may cost him his marriage. And if the conclusion he reached was that he'd resent Gisele if he retired when he could still play for her, and she just couldn't deal with being asked again to play second fiddle to his career, then maybe they were just unfortunately at that point that comes in some marriages where the two people want fundamentally different things, and a divorce might makes sense.
The weird thing is, by getting divorced she's just in for more of the same.

Divorce is complicated, but when the decision is to be with someone and let them pursue their passion and not have them around as much or not have them around at all, it feels really weird.

She knew what she was getting into when she married him.
 

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The weird thing is, by getting divorced she's just in for more of the same.

Divorce is complicated, but when the decision is to be with someone and let them pursue their passion and not have them around as much or not have them around at all, it feels really weird.

She knew what she was getting into when she married him.
Maybe she did, but maybe on the other hand she saw the pounding he took Sunday after Sunday and grew concerned; didn't she speak out at one point about him and concussions?

Also, when he retired, I'm sure she was thrilled; I'm pretty sure she was less than thrilled when he did a 180 and announced he's not done.

A real world example for me is when I first met my better half, I was attending about 20 to 25 collectibles shows around the country, basically gone every other weekend, it was part and parcel to what I did.

She never said a word about how often I was away, mostly on weekends, but some trips were 3 to 5 days, one was 9 days.

When COVID blew up, all the shows were mothballed, they slowly came back in 2021 and to a greater degree, 2022. My marketing strategy changed during COVID as with shows mothballed, I had to find other ways to market myself, which I did and business was and still is booming.

I told her in the Spring of this year "I'm basically retired from shows, may do a few here and there, but for the most part, just wanted to let you know I'm done."

She let out a huge sigh of relief and got a bit choked up, she told me "Oh THANK GOD!!".............that caught me a bit off guard, so I replied "So me doing all that traveling bothered you then?" and she replied "I understood it was part of what you do, but truth be told, I was worried sick the entire time you were away, I'd always feel better when you called and said you got there ok, then when you walked through the door as I was worried you'd get in an accident, I'm SO happy you've decided to basically retire from the shows."

Imagine how she'd feel if today I said "Hey, I thought it over and decided I'm going back to the shows, I plan on starting next weekend and as in years past, I'll basically be gone just about every other weekend, we good?"

Would she kick me to the curb; probably not, but I DO KNOW deep down, she'd be upset.

In no way, shape or form is my situation anywhere close to theirs, but in a tiny, tiny way, they are a bit similar.
 

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The weird thing is, by getting divorced she's just in for more of the same.

Divorce is complicated, but when the decision is to be with someone and let them pursue their passion and not have them around as much or not have them around at all, it feels really weird.

She knew what she was getting into when she married him.
Not sure at all about this. Yeah, he's always been the model of a driven perfectionist who is devoted to honing his athletic skills and achieving greatness, but she might not have been aware that she was marrying a guy with a monomanical streak that eventually took him down the road of "concussion water" and the like.
 

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Relationships are complicated. Every single thing we think we know and the narrative that we think must be the reason for whatever we think is going on could be 180 degrees off.

Nobody fucking knows nothing -- sometimes the participants themselves aren't exactly sure what's what.

Could it be that his dedication and single-mindedness is inconsistent with his marriage? Sure.

Might she have caught him screwing the milkman? Yes, also possible. (Except for the part about there not being milkmen any more.)

Nobody knows nothing. It's just all speculation about people we don't know and have never met. Maybe in 8 years one of them goes on Oprah and we get something close to the truth but even that will be tempered by time and memory and fucked up perspectives.
 

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Jesus Christ... 'Public drunkenness' and 'not a very good person'? This thread is getting to be a bit much. Who cares that 'people' didn't want him to come back. He likes playing football and is still good at in and wants to do so. If that's a breaking point for their marriage then there's a chance that there were also some other issues that were a part of it. Like some more reasonable people have said in this thread, all we can do is guess.
 

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Tom Brady has showered me with more moments of happiness than any sports figure in my lifetime. I will always be truly appreciative of him, and will fight tooth and nail against anyone who argues he is anything but the GOAT and/or diminishes his on field achievements.

But damn my opinion of him as a person has deteriorated remarkably. Used to think he was a relatively good guy. Eventually his warts began to show. Now, I just don't think he's a very good person at all. Not that it really matters. He's just an athlete and I probably never should have held him in the reverence I did when I was in my early 20s.

Just my 2 cents and YMMV
I mean, if your opinion of him is lower because he might be getting a divorce, that's . . . something. Close to 50% of all marriages in the US end in divorce. They are incredibly common, and they are, in some cases, a better outcome than staying together. The rest is all just speculation. Brady and Gisele do not owe any of us an explanation as to why they are getting a divorce (if they do). Having one spouse who is more career oriented and one that is more family oriented, and not being able to balance that and make it work over the long-term, is not a problem unique to the Bradys (if that is in fact one of the reasons behind this).
 

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Tom Brady has showered me with more moments of happiness than any sports figure in my lifetime. I will always be truly appreciative of him, and will fight tooth and nail against anyone who argues he is anything but the GOAT and/or diminishes his on field achievements.

But damn my opinion of him as a person has deteriorated remarkably. Used to think he was a relatively good guy. Eventually his warts began to show. Now, I just don't think he's a very good person at all. Not that it really matters. He's just an athlete and I probably never should have held him in the reverence I did when I was in my early 20s.

Just my 2 cents and YMMV
Why isn't he a good person? Because he might be getting divorced?

That is a take. One that is insane. Because nothing we have ever heard about Tom Brady indicates that he's a bad guy. He wants to win at football. That doesn't make him a bad guy.
 

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Lots of good people get divorced. Just because they are getting divorced (if the rumors hold) doesn’t mean that either of them are bad people. From another perspective it could mean they’re good people. Maybe after the years their incompatibilities grew and they are divorcing (at much loss to both) to give the kids an environment free of interpersonal poison. We’ll probably never know, and who really cares? He’s just another dude who happens to have a different job than us.
 

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So he's a failure at marriage?

(SHOUT OUT TO @SeanBerry)
More of a system husband, clearly. Needs a strong supporting cast around him to succeed. Not sure he'll be able to win at fatherhood without Gisele devising the vacation and school game plans.
 

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More of a system husband, clearly. Needs a strong supporting cast around him to succeed. Not sure he'll be able to win at fatherhood without Gisele devising the vacation and school game plans.
Poor build.
Skinny.
Lacks great physical stature and strength
Lacks mobility and ability to avoid the rush
Can't drive the ball downfield
Does not throw a really tight spiral
System-type player who can get exposed if forced to ad-lib
Gets knocked down easily

I can see why she's leaving!
 

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It is a bit presumptive to say they're getting divorced because he decided to un-retire (if the divorce thing is even true at all). It could be for any number of reasons.
 

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Tom Brady has showered me with more moments of happiness than any sports figure in my lifetime. I will always be truly appreciative of him, and will fight tooth and nail against anyone who argues he is anything but the GOAT and/or diminishes his on field achievements.

But damn my opinion of him as a person has deteriorated remarkably. Used to think he was a relatively good guy. Eventually his warts began to show. Now, I just don't think he's a very good person at all. Not that it really matters. He's just an athlete and I probably never should have held him in the reverence I did when I was in my early 20s.

Just my 2 cents and YMMV
He’s getting a divorce because he and his wife are no longer getting along. People here are acting like he’s a deadbeat dad or something.
 
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This is unfortunate. I really doubt it has much to with Brady’s career. I imagine that slant really pisses off Gisele. It’s much more likely to be the mundane but highly personal things that lead to most divorces.
 

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He’s getting a divorce because he and his wife are no longer getting along. People here are acting like he’s a deadbeat dad or something.
A portion of SoSH has had a "Brady is actually a terrible person, wow" kneejerk response at the ready for any news involving him since he left. The pearl clutching is crazy, does anyone here think less of Bill due to the whole Linda thing? And that was way more fucked up than just getting divorced. I get it, the guy left, he's not "one of us" anymore, but the overcompensation is eye roll inducing.
 

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I mean, if your opinion of him is lower because he might be getting a divorce, that's . . . something. Close to 50% of all marriages in the US end in divorce. They are incredibly common, and they are, in some cases, a better outcome than staying together. The rest is all just speculation. Brady and Gisele do not owe any of us an explanation as to why they are getting a divorce (if they do). Having one spouse who is more career oriented and one that is more family oriented, and not being able to balance that and make it work over the long-term, is not a problem unique to the Bradys (if that is in fact one of the reasons behind this).
I don't disagree with any of this, except to note that the actual figure is closer to 35% than 50% - the 50% figure is a number that reflects the higher rate of divorce in the 70s and 80s, and even then it was really around 45%.