Bruins Extend DeBrusk

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Likeliest possibility, IMHO. But then super weird to have signed the extension without something agreed to, at least in principle. Seems like he hurt himself here, no?
I would think so. If teams see what we see, perhaps the 4M/year extension is too pricey for such a streaky player. But, this contract should be a trade asset in the offseason.

Then again, he gets some guarantees for a few years or protection from an injury down the stretch.

Fingers crossed this works for us during this playoff run.
 

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Playing with Bergeron and Marchand is good for your stats. News at 11.
I guess I understand being flippant but this is a pretty serious oversimplification. Since Jan 1 he's winning his matchups even without those two. His numbers with them are awesome, but they are solid without them given the deployment. The GF% is poor but given the chance data and hilariously low On-ice SV% and PDO, thats mostly bad luck. Jake is pretty much who he was before last season but people can't seem to get over their feelings about him for some reason. He's a decent player worthy of that contract, its just weird that he signed it while reiterating that he wants to be traded.

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I’m perfectly fine with the extension, given that the FO probably would have just Nick Foglinoed the money away. At least DeBrusk can occasionally break a game.

But it’s just super weird.
 

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I guess I understand being flippant but this is a pretty serious oversimplification. Since Jan 1 he's winning his matchups even without those two. His numbers with them are awesome, but they are solid without them given the deployment. The GF% is poor but given the chance data and hilariously low On-ice SV% and PDO, thats mostly bad luck. Jake is pretty much who he was before last season but people can't seem to get over their feelings about him for some reason. He's a decent player worthy of that contract, its just weird that he signed it while reiterating that he wants to be traded.

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And you can’t get over any criticism of his play, which I’m not doing. I’m taking more issue with the Tweet’s characterization with “All of a sudden DeBrusk found Jesus and turned it on!” He got put on a line with Bergeron and Marchand, which may be the hockey equivalent of finding Jesus. Maybe the resurgence started a little before. But that’s a pretty large context to not breeze by. Your driving play metrics are going to look better when you’re put on one of the most elite driving play lines in hockey. He’s also looked better as of late, so there’s that.
 

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And you can’t get over any criticism of his play, which I’m not doing. I’m taking more issue with the Tweet’s characterization with “All of a sudden DeBrusk found Jesus and turned it on!” He got put on a line with Bergeron and Marchand, which may be the hockey equivalent of finding Jesus. Maybe the resurgence started a little before. But that’s a pretty large context to not breeze by. Your driving play metrics are going to look better when you’re put on one of the most elite driving play lines in hockey. He’s also looked better as of late, so there’s that.
Your first sentence is a ridiculous ad hominem. do better.

You have asserted multiple times that this player is only benefitting from playing with Bergeron. The last time we went back and forth you made a silly little breakdown that didn't hold up to scrutiny. Dom's model had him at $3.4m in value this year before he got put on the top line. He's been fine all year, even when he wasn't getting points. Of course he's got better numbers with Bergeron. The issue is you think people are ignoring the fact that he's playing on the top line when really you're not able to give the player any credit for his generally ok play all season or the fact that the top line's shot share play has been excellent with him on it. With Jake they are 72.32% xG, without 69.45%. It's possible that he's been pretty solid and deserves some credit for it.
 

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I’m not asserting any of that. I thought the Tweet sucked because it provided no context on the rationale behind the resurgence when there’s a giant, obvious change that correlated with the start of his resurgence as well as what could be a host of other factors. It’s a boring, potentially misleading analysis.

I don’t really feel like rehashing the rest because, as I said, he has looked better minus the non-Kings game points.
 

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So very strange. I wish we had the inside scoop. Let's hope he stays motivated to impress his future suitors.
 

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I for one am glad that Sweeney didn't dump DeBrusk for pennies on the dollar. Trading him made sense only if it netted an asset in return that they could use in a trade for a roster player; a 3rd round pick or a Max Talbot type doesn't cut it.

Still very much a trade-able contract on draft night, and at least DeBrusk seems at peace with the idea for now.
 

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I for one am glad that Sweeney didn't dump DeBrusk for pennies on the dollar. Trading him made sense only if it netted an asset in return that they could use in a trade for a roster player; a 3rd round pick or a Max Talbot type doesn't cut it.

Still very much a trade-able contract on draft night, and at least DeBrusk seems at peace with the idea for now.
I agree. As there doesn't seem to any off-ice/lockerroom issues, there was no reason to move him if all it did was open a new hole in the lineup.
As for his "at-peace"-ness....He seems lobotomized. Maybe just exhausted from waiting. Hopefully, certainty -- if if not the outcome he wanted -- will help him.
 

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I don’t think anyone advocated for moving him just to get him out, but it seems amazing that they couldn’t get a deal done for a young player with pretty good upside that’s now on a nice little bridge deal through his remaining RFA years (he’ll qualify for UFA after the deal). I kinda wonder if this should’ve been done a few days before to give teams a chance to plan.
 

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The timing of this extension coupled with him not moving is truly the weirdest thing that has happened this year in Bruins Land.
Yeah, I think it surpassed the goalie plan.

Hell, at least they’re not going to get a trade rescinded due to a paperwork issue.
 

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3rd on the team in goals (1st over last month)
9th on the team in +/- (3rd over last month)
getting PK time
getting OT time
could even make an argument that he's been their best forward over the last month or so

huh
 

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3rd on the team in goals (1st over last month)
9th on the team in +/- (3rd over last month)
getting PK time
getting OT time
could even make an argument that he's been their best forward over the last month or so

huh
While there's undoubtedly a "playing with 37 & 63" effect, that also jibes with what many (me) criticised him for: letting the rest of his game slip if the puck wasn't going in the net. His own effort is certainly a big part of his turnaround, but when playing with 63 & 37, a talented player should score a few goals. So even if Jake's the same player with the same "issue," the "issue" has been dealt with by putting him in a position to score. That, in turn, causes him to up the rest of his game.
 

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He's been a huge factor in the past three OT wins (goal vs. CBJ, primary assist vs. TBL, primary assist vs. STL), none of which involved Bergeron or Marchand.
 

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He's been a huge factor in the past three OT wins (goal vs. CBJ, primary assist vs. TBL, primary assist vs. STL), none of which involved Bergeron or Marchand.
Of course. But I think the point (arguable as it is, I know) still stands. He doesn't have to be on the ice with them 100% of the time he's on the ice. Only that playing regularly on their line has increased his scoring, which has increased his attention to the other aspects of his game that were flagging. My guess, and it's only that, from the comfort of my desk chair, is that if he's moved to play with Nosek and Foligno, for example, not only will his scoring drop off, but he'll go back to old habits w/r/t the rest of his game. Maybe there's been a structural change, and he'd actualy be a forechecking and puck retrieving demon, even if his linemates have stone hands. At the end, none of it matters. He playing with Bergeron and Marchand AND he's playing his ass off. It is unquestionably a great and unexpected development, regardless of why it's working.
 

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While there's undoubtedly a "playing with 37 & 63" effect, that also jibes with what many (me) criticised him for: letting the rest of his game slip if the puck wasn't going in the net. His own effort is certainly a big part of his turnaround, but when playing with 63 & 37, a talented player should score a few goals. So even if Jake's the same player with the same "issue," the "issue" has been dealt with by putting him in a position to score. That, in turn, causes him to up the rest of his game.
I'm not so sure that the bolded part is as obvious as one might think. I feel like through the last 8-10 years, the Bruins have frequently tried to find another lineman for 63-37, in large part of give more scoring depth to the lineup when Krecji needed a winger who could score (i.e. Pasta). But finding that third winger has often come up empty.

DeBrusk thriving on the 1st line has also allowed Cassidy to stick with Pasta on the 2nd line to pretty good effect (pre-injury).
 

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Interesting. He’ll probably get some degree of blame for Cassidy no longer being here (rightly or wrongly). I wonder how that will play with some of the other veterans, especially Marchand, who has been reported to be close with Cassidy.
 

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There's a lot of smoke (unsubstantiated of course) that a good number of the veterans were sick of Cassidy's "never good enough" attitude. It still doesn't feel like a good move to me, I guess we'll see on that, but I don't expect there to be much backlash for Jake. The team seemed to have his back most of the year. Who knows.
 

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There's a lot of smoke (unsubstantiated of course) that a good number of the veterans were sick of Cassidy's "never good enough" attitude. It still doesn't feel like a good move to me, I guess we'll see on that, but I don't expect there to be much backlash for Jake. The team seemed to have his back most of the year. Who knows.
Yeah, I hadn’t intended to imply that the veterans were a monolith or anything, but I wasn’t particularly particular. ;)

Shinzawa had some rumblings about how Pasta was pissed at the firing and now wouldn’t sign, Bergeron seemed really reticent about giving Cassidy an “Attaboy” on his way out the door, and Marchand does have a well-documented personal connection with Cassidy, but agreed that it‘s tough to read tea leaves and unlikely to be uniform in any event.

These guys are pros. I imagine they’ll act accordingly.
 

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Yeah, I hadn’t intended to imply that the veterans were a monolith or anything, but I wasn’t particularly particular. ;)

Shinzawa had some rumblings about how Pasta was pissed at the firing and now wouldn’t sign, Bergeron seemed really reticent about giving Cassidy an “Attaboy” on his way out the door, and Marchand does have a well-documented personal connection with Cassidy, but agreed that it‘s tough to read tea leaves and unlikely to be uniform in any event.

These guys are pros. I imagine they’ll act accordingly.
It's fair to speculate or guess about any of it really. The Bruins locker room has long been lauded for its cohesiveness and generally positive culture. Clearly some odd things have been at play the last 18 -24 months that are outside of what we've grown to expect over the past 15 years. Who knows what its really like in there these days or how much any of this means to any of them in one direction or another. I guess we'll see what the mood feels like in October.
 

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The idea lingering in the back of my mind is that David Krejci was not going to return to a team run by Bruce Cassidy. David’s frustration about not riding with Pastrnak is pretty well-documented, he even went so far as to express some bewilderment to reporters when the previously inseparable Perfection Line got broken up and Pastrnak skated on the 2nd line, the slot for which Krejci had apparently long advocated.

If subtracting Bruce meant the retention of Jake DeBrusk and the return of David Krejci, then I can begin to understand it. Failing that, it’s kind of mystifying to me that management diagnosed Bruce and not his roster as the problem.

That said, I’m pretty excited to see what Monty can do with this group - even as I suspect they’re still probably a 2nd/1st Rd out. To be clear, I expect that’s the case even with Patrice, Krejci and the maturation of Swayman, etc.
 

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If subtracting Bruce meant the retention of Jake DeBrusk and the return of David Krejci, then I can begin to understand it. Failing that, it’s kind of mystifying to me that management diagnosed Bruce and not his roster as the problem.

That said, I’m pretty excited to see what Monty can do with this group - even as I suspect they’re still probably a 2nd/1st Rd out. To be clear, I expect that’s the case even with Patrice, Krejci and the maturation of Swayman, etc.
Oof. Predictions are hard, especially about the future.
 

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I understand this is likely to facilitate a better return for the Bruins in a trade, but I really wish this was Jake reconsidering and wanting to stay after getting 1st line rub.

There’s not much the Bruins can get in a trade that would be better than an at his best DeBrusk, but that ship has probably sailed.
I, on the hand, am a goddamned genius.
 

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Oof. Predictions are hard, especially about the future.
I was on the cusp of a mea culpa about this one when I got suddenly superstitious. So far, so, so wrong. And frickin delighted to be so. Thank you for lifting me off that petard I done hoisted myself on. May I continue to eat this tastiest plate of crow.
 

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You may even have been right at the time of posting! The Bruins we saw starting in October came out of nowhere, even to a lot of the experienced puck heads around here.
 

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I was completely on the wrong side w DeBrusk. I thought he was soft and whiny and needed to suck it up. That may be true, but a coaches job is to get the best out of their talent and Cassidy clearly fell short w DeBrusk. He’s been a joy to watch this season.
 

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You weren’t wrong. He was. Then he’s been able to turn it around. Playing on the top line helped but he eye test belongs there too.