No you don't. He has the texts, call logs, and social media interactions surely.
Let's have Eustace and Miller proffer those up before we go running off to harangue the mom and the victim.
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Let's have Eustace and Miller proffer those up before we go running off to harangue the mom and the victim.
Especially since Eustace has already been caught shading the truth with his original statements when he claimed commitments to work with groups.
Eustace claimed committed to work with the Carnegie Initiative.
They had two corrections. The initial one from the group stating they had met and discussed potentially working together but hadn't worked with him.
View: https://twitter.com/CarnegieInit/status/1589407037711994880?s=20&t=AflYJv6nUmpND5TcdTiSAQ
Then the second one where I assume after some calls from Eustace King they released one from the co-founder saying to clarify further they didn't say he was a liar. But in writing it they also contradict Eustace again. Cause the co-founder says he met with King (only) and the outcome was it would be better for them to move on and not pursue in engaging with Miller.
View: https://twitter.com/CarnegieInit/status/1589454916594323456?s=20&t=AflYJv6nUmpND5TcdTiSAQ
Which is funny they are clarifying they said Eustace King didn't lie by pointing out he actually lied.
Cause why would Eustace say the met with and committed to working with a group, but even when they are trying to protect Eustace they say "our agreement was that he should pursue other avenues"
Yep. King et al get no benefit of the doubt; they must bring receipts. This is something you can't lie or even shade the truth about without losing all credibility going forward about the issue.
Heck, there's a nonzero chance for any given player of that era that at some point they were a bully. Or the big man on campus who got laughs by doing misogynistic things. Not all or even a majority, but definitely more prevalent than now, I imagine (and hope).
Not a psychologist but who knows how that makes a person feel later in life. Maybe they have cognitive dissonance so they overlook it others. Or maybe they go the other way and get hyperfocused on rooting it out. Hard to know. But yeah, modern players have grown up in a world where we talk about these things more.
King didn't lie.
They did meet with CI.
Miller did commit to working with CI.
CI just didn't commit back. But Miller really, really wanted to. Pretty much the same thing as doing it. The kid had good intentions, right?
It's just the kind of weasel word shit Myt1 was talking about.
People like me are the exact audience for this sort of stuff, as I'm not one to look so deeply into a statement to notice weasel words like Myt1 did. And that's why I'm not an agent or a PR person.King didn't lie.
They did meet with CI.
Miller did commit to working with CI.
CI just didn't commit back. But Miller really, really wanted to. Pretty much the same thing as doing it. The kid had good intentions, right?
It's just the kind of weasel word shit Myt1 was talking about.
Agreed! I'm already expecting the mother to come out and claim that all of what King said was a total lie. And then around and around we go.
I guess that's true.King didn't lie.
They did meet with CI.
Miller did commit to working with CI.
CI just didn't commit back. But Miller really, really wanted to. Pretty much the same thing as doing it. The kid had good intentions, right?
It's just the kind of weasel word shit Myt1 was talking about.
I'm committed to dating Jennifer Lawrence even though I've been turned down.
I didn't lie as I'm still committed to doing it.
While both are advocates, the agent has something to gain if it all goes "his" way that Isaiah and his mother really dont.
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Joni Meyer-Crothers said that Cam Neely reached out to her, as he said he would. She said that he apologized and they had a nice 45 minute conversation
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Joni Meyer-Crothers said that Cam Neely reached out to her, as he said he would. She said that he apologized and they had a nice 45 minute conversation
I dont think Neely is an asshole. And while his apparent surprise at the reaction remains inexplicable, I do believe he is genuinely sorry, insofar as she and her family are concerned. In the era of non-apologetic apologies, I guess that's something. As has been said, I hope he learns from the experience.
I was looking forward to the Morning Bru - Jaffe & Razor pod, finally came out this morning and they didn’t say ONE word about it. They did tiptoe very lightly around it, but wouldn’t touch it with a 10’ pole.
I know Raycroft is employed by NESN, does anyone know about Jaffe?
I enjoy the pod for the perspective and their takes, prognostications, etc… but it seems like malpractice to me to ignore it completely like it isn’t there.
I wondering if any of you think this was somehow team mandated? With Jack and Brick, I would understand, but a podcast discussing all things Boston Bruins would seem out of bounds to me
Sorry for the tangent, but I am really curious about this and would love to hear your opinions.
I know Raycroft is employed by NESN, does anyone know about Jaffe?
I enjoy the pod for the perspective and their takes, prognostications, etc… but it seems like malpractice to me to ignore it completely like it isn’t there.
I wondering if any of you think this was somehow team mandated? With Jack and Brick, I would understand, but a podcast discussing all things Boston Bruins would seem out of bounds to me
Sorry for the tangent, but I am really curious about this and would love to hear your opinions.
This, right here, is the key. Miller will never change and grow if he stays in the same environment, surrounded by people who pretty clearly (as evidenced by the various tweets earlier in this thread) condone, if not urge, such reprehensible behavior.
There's so much more to the world than our little slices of it wherever we call home. So many different people, different cultures, different experiences. Those differences serve to highlight what we actually share. They highlight our underlying humanity. People like Miller, if they never challenge themselves and leave their little hateful comfort zones, never learn any of that. Instead they just wallow in the same place, both literally and figuratively. Which is just an additional tragedy.
Even if he has been connecting with the victim for the last month, we already know the Bruins have been engaging with Miller since well before then in which case it sounds to me like just another degree of court-ordered repentance. Like, honestly I am happy for him if he has been putting in some more work on this but it can't just be in response to court mandates or being on the verge of signing a contract for a life-changing sum of money.
Thank you.
I’m sure they wanted to talk about it, right? Do you feel like NESN said no one is allowed to discuss it? That seems draconian to me. Am I wrong here? Again, the very public broadcast is understandable, but it shocked me they wouldn’t even acknowledge it was a thing.
This little gambit costs a contract (can only have 50 in the organization…he is 48), may count against the cap if they buyout and at a bare minimum in will cost ownership money in a settlement / buyout. Unless they find cause to terminate which feels unlikely.
I wonder if Wayne Simmonds (founding member of HDA IIRC) will drop him? Though his career's nearly over and he may not have a use for an agent beyond filing retirement papers so who knows
And of the bruins.
Even apart from hockey, "human decency" suggested calling the family first.
That's a great statement. It's also a great reply to people who are like "the kid said sorry now you're just ruining his life" in how it spells out trying to game the system to project fake remorse.
The agent deserves 0 benefit of the doubt and, honestly, seems like a complete snake.
If this is true, that Miller and Isaiah had been talking for 30 days straight and communicating, do you think there’s any chance that it would be revealed by the agent on a podcast as an aside? He wouldn’t have brought this up before in his many tweets on the subject? The family is also pretty active on social media; yet they’ve never brought it up? And this family doesn’t exactly seem PR savvy so I highly doubt they would have accepted coaching to not bring the topic up.
This is a hard statement to read, but necessary to read.
View: https://twitter.com/TheOfficialHDA/status/1590364034213511169?s=20&t=vxV6nRwJo6Nl7Rx-rBY9zw
View: https://twitter.com/TheOfficialHDA/status/1590364034213511169?s=20&t=vxV6nRwJo6Nl7Rx-rBY9zw
Jesus I could not have been more wrong. I'm sorry, all. Miller is an asshole. He deserves nothing.
You only had to make one more phone call unnamed, cowardly, Boston Bruins Front Office Employee. And you couldn't even do that.
This kid is a monster. The Bruins could not have fucked this up any worse. If the entire league didn’t already know that we have morons running this franchise, they definitely know now.
I was on the fence before about canning Cam and Donnie, I'm not any more. The organization won't recover from this unless those two are gone.
Meyer-Crothers never should've been put in the position in which he felt he had to make that statement.
Neely and Sweeney need to be gone yesterday. Fuck them.
Neely and Sweeney need to be gone yesterday. Fuck them.
That's as bad as we thought it could be. That this kid is getting victimized all over again is heartbreaking.
And the monster got paid.
And the monster got paid.
They need a complete organizational gutting of the front office. No more 90s era Bruins. No more Neely cronies.
Unfortunately we know how this works. As long as they’re selling out the building every night, and sponsors aren’t bailing out, ownership isn’t going to do shit about them.
And Cam serves as a shield for JJ and Charlie. He takes the heat so they don't have to.
You were correct in principle, just not in this instance. Principe matters, and you've got a good heart for leading the charge for second chances. Also, it's almost always smart to be cautionary about rushing to conclusions and educating yourself on both sides of the story, which you were a big proponent of.
I'm an 80's kid, and I've been silently against the fire Neely group, but this poor young man and his reliving, I'm sure for the umpteenth time, the horror that was his youth by feeling it necessary to write this statement has finally pushed my over the top. Goodbye Cam, I loved you like no other, but you shouldn't be fired, be a man and resign.
I doubt Ill watch tonight's game assuming Neely and Sweeney arent axed. It's not so much a protest as much as it is I just dont think ill be able to stomach it after reading Isaiah's statement.
The agent's statement got me. I shouldn't be shocked that it was a giant lie in this day and age, but here we are.
I almost, ALMOST felt a tinge of sympathy for Miller due to the way the Bruins handled this and his "2nd chance" being blown up because of it. Now, I hope once this blows over we never hear from him, his family or his despicable enablers again. Send all of them to Mars.
I feel so bad for Isaiah having all of this stuff brought up again. Shame on the Bruins organization, shame on King, and especially shame on Miller and his family and friends for putting Isaiah through all of this.
Should probably note Sweeney signed an extension this past summer. No idea what the terms are but that’ll factor whatever discipline they decide on, if any. They are already eating money they’ll have to pay to get out from under the Miller contract, plus whatever charitable contributions they make in an effort to rebuild the organizational reputation.
Fire all of them. I don't want to give one dollar to this ownership group for a long time.
“The office told me to stay away from him.”
Everyone who wants the front office fired is correct. However, considering the larger social problem this episode represents , firing the front office still seems like a half-measure.
Jesus Christ, that sentence makes me want to burn the school to the ground, piss on the ashes, and salt the earth. I’m sick to my stomach.
Everyone who wants the front office fired is correct. However, considering the larger social problem this episode represents , firing the front office still seems like a half-measure.
Jesus Christ, that sentence makes me want to burn the school to the ground, piss on the ashes, and salt the earth. I’m sick to my stomach.
Our school systems have failed our kids for a long time. It's an antiquated and primitive system that is not setup to handle issues facing our kids today.