But srsly, how excited are you about the 2014 season???

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I wish i could be as Pete Carroll'd as some are.  Or most people are.
 
I still worrry that there are not enough weapons for Our Tom.
The offense struggled more last year than it did in years past, certainly ... but they still finished 3rd in the NFL in points (and 4th in offensive DVOA). I don't think they'll be less healthy than they were last year, and I don't think the rookies will be worse, and I don't think the interior offensive line will be worse. It would have been nice to add more weapons, but this is still one of the best offenses in the league - they just won't be dominant offensively like in '07 or '10-'12.
 

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Super Nomario said:
The offense struggled more last year than it did in years past, certainly ... but they still finished 3rd in the NFL in points (and 4th in offensive DVOA). I don't think they'll be less healthy than they were last year, and I don't think the rookies will be worse, and I don't think the interior offensive line will be worse. It would have been nice to add more weapons, but this is still one of the best offenses in the league - they just won't be dominant offensively like in '07 or '10-'12.
Thanks.  That's the most coherent, albeit concise, reply I've received to that query.  The usual answer is "we got Gronk" which is true, but not incomplete.

In the AFC Championship game, Tom seemed to have only a few places to go that were effective and he believed in, Edelman and Vereen.  He needs more and indeed he will have Gronk, as long as he can remain upright. 
 
But your points are well taken.
 

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I think the offensive line is the big weakness on this team that no one ever mentions. Dante is gone, and this looks to be among the weakest units of the Brady era. I will be happy to be wrong, but I fear the understandably high expectations will be crushed when the same happens to Brady.
 

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The offense struggled more last year than it did in years past, certainly ... but they still finished 3rd in the NFL in points (and 4th in offensive DVOA). I don't think they'll be less healthy than they were last year, and I don't think the rookies will be worse, and I don't think the interior offensive line will be worse. It would have been nice to add more weapons, but this is still one of the best offenses in the league - they just won't be dominant offensively like in '07 or '10-'12.
 
It is kind of crazy that team finished 4th in offensive DOVA, considering the weapons lost due to murders and injuries.
 
It is hard to not look at this Patriot team and think they have a very good shot at making the Super Bowl. There are not that many amazing teams in the AFC. Brady is a year older, but so is Peyton, and the Denver D has nothing on the Pats right now. KC has flaws. Cinncy can't in in the playoffs. The Colts have luck, but it's still a team without too many weapons.
 

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La la la I can't hear you! But, yes, I think you're correct. But concerns about the OL are really limited to the interior line. A Solder/Vollmer tackle tandem is quite good.
 
It's really just C and RG. And if Connelly and Cannon earn the jobs, I like that better than Wendell / Connelly. Too bad Stork got hurt as it sounded like he was competing hard for the starting C role, a la Dan Koppen circa 2003.
 

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The offense has question marks and there is no doubt about that.  But, if the defense gets to where we think it can they will have enough to score 21-27 ppg which will win games much more than it loses them. I think the days of trying to outscore the opponent as the only way to win are over.
 

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For those as excited as Red about the defense, what makes you think they will get to the QB much better than last year?  (That is, if you do think that.)
 
I'll start.
 
They will get coverage sacks with that secondary.
 
Collins is a sophomore and that will help.
 
Easley, when healthy, is a beast, and he will get to the QB and free up other guys to do the same.
 
What else?
 

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For those as excited as Red about the defense, what makes you think they will get to the QB much better than last year?  (That is, if you do think that.)
 
I'll start.
 
They will get coverage sacks with that secondary.
 
Collins is a sophomore and that will help.
 
Easley, when healthy, is a beast, and he will get to the QB and free up other guys to do the same.
 
What else?
Having added depth with the emergence of Chris Jones and the additions of Wilfork and Easley will hopefully allow Patricia to rotate everybody through more and keep everybody fresh.  Fresher players equal better players.  There is still questionable depth at DE because we don't know the status of Will Smith and who knows what we have in Bequette.  But, I think we will get a bigger push from the interior.
 

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It's really just C and RG. And if Connelly and Cannon earn the jobs, I like that better than Wendell / Connelly. Too bad Stork got hurt as it sounded like he was competing hard for the starting C role, a la Dan Koppen circa 2003.
Crazier still, I don't think I'm alone when I say I'm more confident in Cannon at RG than Mankins at LG. If healthy, the line should be very good.
 

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I'm excited that the offense is now practicing against a vastly improved defense. Especially with the receivers, having to go up against Revis, Browner, and what sounds like an entire defense that is more aggressive and physical should only help with their development. I just wish Dobson was out there for this. And I hope we don't see Matthew Slater assuming any prominent offensive roles come playoff time.
 

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I think the offensive line is the big weakness on this team that no one ever mentions. Dante is gone, and this looks to be among the weakest units of the Brady era. I will be happy to be wrong, but I fear the understandably high expectations will be crushed when the same happens to Brady.
 
Adding in a healthy Vollmer and a big influx of younger, talented options suggest that the line will be better then last year.  It was certainly a weakness by the end of last season, but I don't think it's being too optimistic to think that the offensive line in 2014 will be an improvement over the 2013 offensive line. 
 

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Is Vollmer ever going to be healthy? Connolly's career could end with another concussion. Again, I hope the OL is not an issue.
 

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His body hasn't betrayed him, though, that's the point. Aside from the back injury in college, every single one of his injuries was the result of an ill-timed tackle or an awkward fall. He doesn't have chronic injuries.
 
He doesn't have chronic injuries, but he is chronically injured. Whether through running style or body type or whatever, this comes close to being a distinction without a difference. Some guys just get injured...one of the mantras I read now is that this is a skill, but I think that it's more of a inborn talent -- for whatever reason some bodies have bones that don't break as easily, etc etc.
 
 
Super Nomario said:
The offense struggled more last year than it did in years past, certainly ... but they still finished 3rd in the NFL in points (and 4th in offensive DVOA). I don't think they'll be less healthy than they were last year, and I don't think the rookies will be worse, and I don't think the interior offensive line will be worse. It would have been nice to add more weapons, but this is still one of the best offenses in the league - they just won't be dominant offensively like in '07 or '10-'12.
 
In answer to this thread's question, I'm un-fucking-believably srsly excited about this season. Never have I paid attn this closely this early and I fully share the optimism. I think concerns about the OL are overblown -- I love Cannon and think there is every reason to assume the OL will be better than their already good performance last season with Vollmer's return, Cannon therefore able to take the RG spot, and heavy investment in youth via the draft. The WRs will certainly be better (2nd year improvements, Amendola healthy). The RBs should be better (White has me excited, Vereen healthy). TE should be much better (Gronk is healthy). All these things are pretty much indisputable and are not about just looking at the sunny side of things. As is the same on the defense: DBs much better (Revis and Browner, along with the very solid DMC, Dennard, Ryan...have a bit of concern about Harmon, but still); LBs much better (Collins breaking out, Hightower better than Spikes and now playing a role better suited to his skills, and Mayo healthy -- with Anderson a LB much better suited to today's game as a LBer in coverage); DL better (Kelly and Wilfork back, I'm insanely high on Easley, depth allowing for fewer reps for Jones and Nink keepign them fresher, Siliga emerging late last season out of nowhere).
 
I think all of that -- essentially improvements everywhere except QB, which is not a problem -- is totally realistic. The only problem and the raincloud that is waiting to dampen sunny spirits is inevitable injury. The squad is much improved over what was on the field most of last year, but much of the improvement is about the return of injured players. But, of course, some of them won't return in the same form and/or they and others will get injured. It's the nature of the sport. And that returns us to Gronk. He's the key guy beyond Brady that converts the Pats offense from really good to top-notch (what was the stat I saw the other day -- Brady had a 98.6 QBR when Gronk and Vereen were on the field last year, I think?). Of all the injuries waiting to happen, Gronk is the guy who we'll all be least surprised about if his back goes out, his arm goes bad, his knees get injured again, etc etc.
 
In short, srsly excited (throw in some teen girl emoticons here, too), but also waiting for the other shoe to drop and hoping it's not too bad when it does.
 

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The offense has question marks and there is no doubt about that.  But, if the defense gets to where we think it can they will have enough to score 21-27 ppg which will win games much more than it loses them. I think the days of trying to outscore the opponent as the only way to win are over.
If I were coach, I'd still adopt a core strategy of trying to outscore the opponent [emoji13]

You mean they don't have to win as many shootouts, I know.
 

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You're right, he is not Danny Amendola. Gronk understands the playbook and how to run the routes Brady wants. Look, I love Gronk, but he cannot stay on the field. His career is taking on a Tim Naehring/Jed Lowrie feel. He was injured his last year in college. He has had one healthy season and playoff run with the Pats, and that was in 2010 when they lost in the first round. My hope is for Gronk to be healthy for the Super Bowl, but his body has betrayed him so often I choose not to consider it as a possibility at this point when not one down has yet been played this season.
I would like to see him learn from Edelman how to protect his body by avoiding dangerous contact. In Gronk's case, avoiding the low hit. This may mean some yards lost - Edelman gives himself up sometimes. But if it pays off in avoiding injuries... In watching a few games from last year, there were many times he limped off from low hits.
 

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You think there might be some agility/quickness differences between getting a 5'9" 190 lb human to the turf and a 6'6" 270 lb human to the turf quickly?
 
The idea that Gronkowski should take a lesson from Deion Branch and "go down" is silly. He is a big dude who can truck dudes of similar or smaller size. It is not going to happen. Nothing about Robert Gronkowski says "makes prudent choices on the football field". Nope, it says "will run you over for fun". Enjoy what it is, don't make it something it ain't.
 

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Having added depth with the emergence of Chris Jones and the additions of Wilfork and Easley will hopefully allow Patricia to rotate everybody through more and keep everybody fresh.  Fresher players equal better players.  There is still questionable depth at DE because we don't know the status of Will Smith and who knows what we have in Bequette.  But, I think we will get a bigger push from the interior.
 
Don't forget Mayo being back on the field. Bill hasn't appeared to use the LB blitz much at all the past few years, but with the corp they have now, I think you'll see more of it than you have in a very long time. Mayo and Collins have the talent to get to the QB, and I think we'll see them given more opportunities than we are used to seeing from the group.
 

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Don't forget Mayo being back on the field. Bill hasn't appeared to use the LB blitz much at all the past few years, but with the corp they have now, I think you'll see more of it than you have in a very long time. Mayo and Collins have the talent to get to the QB, and I think we'll see them given more opportunities than we are used to seeing from the group.
I think Hightower will be put in a position to blitz more on 1st and 2nd down.  He did a great job at Alabama of doing it.  I would think he would either not be on the field on 3rd down being replaced by James Anderson or possibly(very low one) kicked down to a defensive end in a more exotic blitz package.  We won't have to see him cover TEs or RBs anymore.