Bynum to Bulls for Deng + draft choices
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Split off from the trade rumors thread.
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Bulls will release Bynum, getting below the luxury tax thereby.
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Bulls will release Bynum, getting below the luxury tax thereby.
You've gotta assume they intend to resign Deng. It's not really clear where they'd go from there though. Not a lot of cap room to improve on what doesn't look like a contending roster.
Well, this is better than the Gasol/Jefferson rumors, and will improve a serious area of need for Cleveland. Not quite sure why they're so insistent on making a playoff push, but for their sake I hope this deal works out for them and they can get Deng re-signed at a reasonable price.
That Anthony Bennett pick keeps looking better and better. Even though Deng is a 3, this has to make it even harder for Bennett to get minutes, not that he deserves to play.
The Bulls aren't too far away from the slightly better than tankville teams so a 5-15 stretch could give them a decent chance in the lottery. It's too bad for them that Sacramento is still brutally bad. If they could've packaged their #1 pick and Sacramento's pick, they might have had a shot at a very high pick.
The Bulls aren't too far away from the slightly better than tankville teams so a 5-15 stretch could give them a decent chance in the lottery. It's too bad for them that Sacramento is still brutally bad. If they could've packaged their #1 pick and Sacramento's pick, they might have had a shot at a very high pick.
mandro ramtinez said:
On the contrary, I actually think this makes it possible for them to give Bennet more minutes at the 4. Whether or not that's a good thing is another thing altogether, but Deng does everything pretty well and is a good guy to have next to an undersized 4 who is still learning the position.
Yeah...there is zero shot that Sacremento pick will be used this year. That Kings team is awful bad. I don't think it's a lock they will be out of the top 10 over the next 3 years either but you have to figure one team in that time span will get hot and push them out of the top 10.
I don't think their needs to be a big explanation of why Cleveland did this. It seems pretty clear that they have no idea what they are doing and are intent on winning 35 games instead of 30.
There was no chance Deng was going to re-sign with Chicago this off-season because Deng hated what Chicago's doctors did to him.http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/nba-ball-dont-lie/luol-deng-agent-discusses-medical-care-client-did-201746966--nba.html
There was no chance Deng was going to re-sign with Chicago this off-season because Deng hated what Chicago's doctors did to him.http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/nba-ball-dont-lie/luol-deng-agent-discusses-medical-care-client-did-201746966--nba.html
Cleveland needs to convince Irving to stay, and to start winning to convince free agents that they might have a chance if they pair up with Irving. There comes a point where you have to stop losing and start winning. If Chris Grant weren't the worst drafter in the NBA the Cavs wouldn't be making the deal. Then again, they'd also be a top five team in the EC and not in line for a lottery pick. In any even they are now four games back of a team that's going into full blown tank mode for about the eighth time since Jordan retired and four and a half games out of the fifth seed. So given the injuries they actually do have a chance to make it to the second round so long as they finish fifth or sixth.
nighthob said:
I agree. Even if being worse to get a draft pick is a more "optimal" decision on paper....
The players on the team are assets. If they are frustrated/checked out, they are probably not developing and losing value. Cleveland has gotten what, 25% of the return they planned to get at this point from Bennett/Waiters/Thompson/Zeller? They traded up for Zeller so he has to be a disappointment as well.
They need leadership. Deng's a rental but he's an iron man and a pro's pro. He's an all star player and he got there by doing the little things right. He has a platform.
That Cleveland roster just makes no sense. So many redundant players, nowhere near enough talent in most of them.
Deng's best asset on offense is his speed and athleticism, and might give Irving a good target as a finisher on the fast break. Bynum might be the slowest man in the NBA by now, and clearly made no friends at all during his lamentable stay in Cleveland.
I like this deal for Chicago. Even if you're optimistic about Derrick Rose's chances to make a full recovery, he's going to have a lot of rust and conditioning issues to deal with next season. The Bulls aren't likely to contend for a title again before 2015-16. Deng probably won't be toast by then, but he'll likely be a lesser player than he is today. Assuming the Bulls follow this move by amnestying Boozer (which will put them below the cap), they can put the money Deng will command this summer to better use.
It feels like the Cavs could have gotten more talent for Bynum's contract, but if they think there's a non-zero chance LBJ will come back this summer, they weren't going to do a deal that closed off that possibility.
Should we expect to see more deals like Bynum's in the future? His contract was a valuable asset, and unless I'm missing something, it seems like there isn't much keeping other teams from handing similar deals to marginal players.
It feels like the Cavs could have gotten more talent for Bynum's contract, but if they think there's a non-zero chance LBJ will come back this summer, they weren't going to do a deal that closed off that possibility.
Should we expect to see more deals like Bynum's in the future? His contract was a valuable asset, and unless I'm missing something, it seems like there isn't much keeping other teams from handing similar deals to marginal players.
Why didn't the Bulls let Deng's contract run out? because they wanted to get under the cap right now?
Nick Kaufman said:
Also, if he walked at the end of the season, the Bulls get nothing(well minus cap relief, which they get anyway with Bynum). If the FO views there is no chance of competing this year, and you know the guy is going to walk, wouldn't you want at least some assets in return? Even if those 3 picks all end up being 2nd rounders, they are still better than nothing. And its not like you cant find value in the 2nd round.
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I guess the next question is: Where does Bynum end up? Does he make a difference if ends up in a contender like the Heat or the Clippers as it has been rumored?
I guess the next question is: Where does Bynum end up? Does he make a difference if ends up in a contender like the Heat or the Clippers as it has been rumored?
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If this is true, the Heat are the most likely landing spot, followed by the Knicks. The Knicks would probably be a terrible decision for him, but I doubt that'd deter him. The Lakers might get involved.
It's hard to know how much he'd contribute in Miami without understanding his Cleveland fallout better.
Scenario #1 - He's generally sick of basketball
Scenario #2 - He is only motivated by playing for a great team
Scenario #3 - He did cross professional boundaries (i.e. slept with coaches wife)
I think he's an immature young man with poor decision making in all 3 scenarios, but only really the 1st one would make him useless to the Heat*. They've got quantity in their front-court, but little quality (beyond Bosh). Given how close they are with the Pacers, you can see this being the deciding factor in the ECF.
I don't understand the cap well enough to see how these teams can sign him. Are we assuming that he'd sign for the minimum because he gets $6M from being released? How much flexibility do teams over the cap have signing players mid-season?
*Might want to keep him away from LeBron's mom... you know... just in case
If this is true, the Heat are the most likely landing spot, followed by the Knicks. The Knicks would probably be a terrible decision for him, but I doubt that'd deter him. The Lakers might get involved.
It's hard to know how much he'd contribute in Miami without understanding his Cleveland fallout better.
Scenario #1 - He's generally sick of basketball
Scenario #2 - He is only motivated by playing for a great team
Scenario #3 - He did cross professional boundaries (i.e. slept with coaches wife)
I think he's an immature young man with poor decision making in all 3 scenarios, but only really the 1st one would make him useless to the Heat*. They've got quantity in their front-court, but little quality (beyond Bosh). Given how close they are with the Pacers, you can see this being the deciding factor in the ECF.
I don't understand the cap well enough to see how these teams can sign him. Are we assuming that he'd sign for the minimum because he gets $6M from being released? How much flexibility do teams over the cap have signing players mid-season?
*Might want to keep him away from LeBron's mom... you know... just in case
Apparently the Nets weren't interested back when he was on the trading block. Maybe they would be given the lower cost, but you've got to wonder if they're feeling burned by their own careless attention to chemistry. I suspect they'll be conservative when it comes to acquiring locker room trouble makers.
I think Bynum really wants to be on a contender. There's a decent shot that he orchestrated this whole thing so he could land with Miami. I can even imagine Bynum's agent colluding to map it out.
It'll be interesting to see if he signs at the earliest possible time (presumably Thursday @5pm).
I think Bynum really wants to be on a contender. There's a decent shot that he orchestrated this whole thing so he could land with Miami. I can even imagine Bynum's agent colluding to map it out.
It'll be interesting to see if he signs at the earliest possible time (presumably Thursday @5pm).
BigSoxFan said:
Kidd is barely holding off a mutiny now, and you want to add a guy that has no interest in playing basketball? From a talent perspective, sure but considering his attitude problems its just adding fuel to a very large fire.
This article is helpful
Clippers have no mid-level exception left, so they can only offer the veteran's minimum ($1.186 million). Dallas is also in this boat.
Miami, Oklahoma City, and Indiana have theirs ($3.183 million I think)
Brooklyn and Atlanta have injury exceptions ($5.25 million) but apparently no interest
Given that info, I'd still put Miami in the pole-position, with OKC as a dark-horse. You've gotta wonder if they'd like someone more robust than Perk. I doubt he'd choose the Clippers given the money difference.
Clippers have no mid-level exception left, so they can only offer the veteran's minimum ($1.186 million). Dallas is also in this boat.
Miami, Oklahoma City, and Indiana have theirs ($3.183 million I think)
Brooklyn and Atlanta have injury exceptions ($5.25 million) but apparently no interest
Given that info, I'd still put Miami in the pole-position, with OKC as a dark-horse. You've gotta wonder if they'd like someone more robust than Perk. I doubt he'd choose the Clippers given the money difference.
Brickowski said:
Because their owner is Dan Gilbert?
nighthob said:
Agreed. The only way to trade for a dollar with a few quarters in the NBA is if the trade is for an expiring contract. Like the James Harden trade. Unfortunately for Chicago (and Boston) I don't see a guy like that out there right now.
wutang112878 said:
The risk-reward calculation is right, though -- the future is now in Brooklyn, they need to do something to compete with Miami and Indiana, and they don't have any obvious assets to trade.
Sure, Miami is Bynum's most likely destination, but if the Nets can sign him for the minimum, they should be all over it.
While he was here in LA, we all got to know the level of smug Bynum has. It's a special kind of entitlement based not on hardwork or accomplishments but simply on his existence.
Long story short, I can't see him going to the my clipps, the spurs or mavs because they will require him to actually be an able and caring body. He can coast in Miami. I think that's where he'll land. The kid is lazy. Very lazy.
Long story short, I can't see him going to the my clipps, the spurs or mavs because they will require him to actually be an able and caring body. He can coast in Miami. I think that's where he'll land. The kid is lazy. Very lazy.
maufman said:
But where is the reward with Bynum? I know he has plenty of talent but he looked putrid this year and missed the last year he missed the whole season because he was allergic to the gym. If I had to put a # on it, I would say there is a 5% chance he could actually contribute this year if they signed him, and there is a 60% chance KG pulls a BBD pep talk when he isnt putting an effort in and makes him cry on the bench
wutang112878 said:
They're also worse with KG shifted to the 4. Bynum really doesn't make much sense in Brooklyn.