Celtics 2016 Summer League Thread
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Brown has pretty good vision passing the ball. Seems like everything is a plus outside of the shooting.
I don't think I want Yabu overseas this year. I like him to contribute high energy minutes off the bench, let him get his minutes early in Portland.
I don't think I want Yabu overseas this year. I like him to contribute high energy minutes off the bench, let him get his minutes early in Portland.
Couldn't score again but Brown was really good on D tonight and blew by his man several times. Needs refinement for sure.
Summer league, I guess I have no life as I have watched wayyy too many games, is making me depressed at the Celtics draft.
Silver lining, I think Jaylen will hold his own on the defensive end with NBA ready players, not summer league players, better than the rest of the draft picks. (Well, not Dunn, because he looks like a Penny/John Wall love child.)
And Brown barely played in the 2nd half. Hope he isn't hiding the severity of his injury/pain.
Silver lining, I think Jaylen will hold his own on the defensive end with NBA ready players, not summer league players, better than the rest of the draft picks. (Well, not Dunn, because he looks like a Penny/John Wall love child.)
And Brown barely played in the 2nd half. Hope he isn't hiding the severity of his injury/pain.
How will be know going up against 3's from the Sioux Falls Skyforce and Austin Toros?
Is this sarcasm or do you really think they will have Jaylen in The D-League for most of the year?
He actually reminds me of a more Versatile Marcus Smart with a higher ceiling on the offensive side.
Brown hasn't really had much time to learn at the NBA level. They throw these teams together a few weeks after the draft. I'd like him to get some real time with the staff before we start to label guys as a bust.
I think even the bull case for Brown relies on him being super raw, so I wouldn't be surprised to see him spend a decent chunk of time in the d league. That's obviously unusual for a top 3 pick, but Brown is an unusual player to take in the top 3...
I don't see him in the rotation anytime soon.....the kid is a raw 19 years old. I expect him to play some in Maine but not most of the year.
We haven't finished adding depth to our team yet and he isn't sniffing the rotation as it currently stands. This is in no way an indictment of Brown being a bust......it is all in what fans expect to see out of a raw kid who isn't ready to contribute to winning NBA games any more than Rozier was last year at this time.
I'm not sure if Brown will go to the D-League. It is unusual for a top pick to come into a team this good so maybe. On the other hand his defense has looked surprisingly good so far in summer league, so he may have a bench role where he's not asked to do much on offense.
If they agree he's a strong defender at the 3, then I think he'll end up in the rotation. Both as a backup to Crowder, and playing alongside him when Crowder is playing PF. Crowder was as effective, or more effective at the 4, so the ability to move him there without sacrificing too much wing defense would be useful.
I just tend to be skeptical of teenagers defensively, and I don't think the Celtics are going to play Brown purely for developmental reasons if he can't contribute at all.
I can't believe the D-League hasn't changed its name yet. From a branding perspective it is just brutal. Even now my brain just defaults to "What, he can't even make the B or C-League?"
The Celtics are so light on wings, I think JB has a chance to stick if he continues to show well defensively in training camp/preseason. Eager to see him on the floor with some NBA spacing and general order.
The Celtics are so light on wings, I think JB has a chance to stick if he continues to show well defensively in training camp/preseason. Eager to see him on the floor with some NBA spacing and general order.
I'm also not a great judge but I think you're paying more attention to the offensive end. Yabu looks a lot better on offense but Brown looks a lot better on D (at least when defending the ball). I don't know the defensive scheme and so many dudes look like they are blowing assignments it's hard to tell what's what off the ball.
I think the forums having problems, I double posted multiple times yesterday and have seen a lot of double posts
The problem here is that he would be one of the 5 on the unit to develop general order which he doesn't seem to yet have the instincts to do. Jerebko is a much better second unit fit if the one skill Brown provides is defense since few second unit opponents require a defensive stopper to slow them down. If Brown truly was that guy he'd actually be a better fit for the starting lineup and I certainly don't see that happening right now.
This is about what I'm expecting as injuries and development over the course of the season should have Brown seeing some second unit minutes post-ASG.
Maybe I'm being unrealistic but I'm hoping he makes an impact sooner. Not much there at the moment at backup wing aside from Jerebko and he's more of a 3/4.
Yes that's true, my impressions are based more on the offensive side and I have seen Yabu get schooled a couple of times on defense. He just seems to have better composure, less of a wild man out there.
That's the thing, if Jerebko is your backup 3 then Jaylen has to take those minutes from him. Right now Jerebko is the more trusted and frankly much better NBA player from what I see and that was before SL began. This is also assuming there will not be further additions to the team which I expect also.
Depending on lineups, I'm hoping we see some Jerebko at the 4 and Brown at the 3. I have visions of a Rozier/Smart/Brown/Jerebko lineup creating havoc against other teams' 2nd units.
Assuming the 5th guy is Olynyk, that would have to be one of the most inverted lineups I've seen. The best 3pt shooter is the 4, followed by the 5. And the best defender down low is a 6'3" combo guard.
My brain hurts.
My brain hurts.
Sat through a Wolves game in which guards Kevin Punter and Toure Murry shot a combined 0-21 from the field. I wasn't paying much attention in a 30-point blowout but didn't think it was THAT bad! NBA Summer League.......It's FAN-tastic!!!
So observations from Summer League today:
Thon Maker has no idea how to play defense. Beyond fouling out in a game with 10 fouls and which is called very loose, he committed what would be a must call 3 seconds violation at least 20 times.
Buddy Hield can shoot, but I have real concerns that he can do anything else, and also that he'll be able to handle NBA athletes. He beat up on some brutally bad guards for SAC, but even a mediocre at best fellow rookie with athleticism like RIchardson seemed to swallow him up.
Pappagiannis struggling mightily with the speed of the game and athleticism of his opponents.
Thon Maker has no idea how to play defense. Beyond fouling out in a game with 10 fouls and which is called very loose, he committed what would be a must call 3 seconds violation at least 20 times.
Buddy Hield can shoot, but I have real concerns that he can do anything else, and also that he'll be able to handle NBA athletes. He beat up on some brutally bad guards for SAC, but even a mediocre at best fellow rookie with athleticism like RIchardson seemed to swallow him up.
Pappagiannis struggling mightily with the speed of the game and athleticism of his opponents.
While there is still the possibility of a significant move this offseason, I would think that Jerebko is currently slotted as a backup 4. There would seem to be an opportunity for one of the young wings to work his way into the rotation, and Brown would seem to have the inside track not only for his draft pedigree which is a consideration but also because of his potential ability to defend the position.
Right now, Brown is a freak athlete whose only shot is a monster dunk. If he could just add the "layup" to his arsenal, we might have something. 
Edit: Here is Brown posterizing a 7'2", 290 lb dude:
Edit: Here is Brown posterizing a 7'2", 290 lb dude:
Rozier is out there just knowing what to do. In control, making the right pass, taking it to the hoop at the right times. Exciting.
Brown has also been to the line 9 times already with 7 minutes left in the first half.
Edit: And sticks a nice turnaround J. 11 in the half for him so far.
Edit: And sticks a nice turnaround J. 11 in the half for him so far.
They just interviewed Brad, who praised his passing and agility (for one his size), and said that a decision about whether he goes back to Europe has not yet been made.
Maybe he's the widebody Sully replacement.
And Brown blows another layup attempt, but at least gets fouled. At one point he had 36 FTA in 92 summer league minutes.
Brown looks more in control this game. He's still moving at a million miles an hour, and is a little over aggressive, but this is his best game.
It's a good sign that things are slowing down for him after just a few games. Will be a season long process like Rozier, but good stuff today.