Celtics acquire David Lee for Gerald Wallace
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Marc Stein @ESPNSteinLine 47s47 seconds ago
ESPN sources say that the Celtics have agreed to send Gerald Wallace to the Warriors for David Lee
ESPN sources say that the Celtics have agreed to send Gerald Wallace to the Warriors for David Lee
I like DLee a lot. He is a defensive liability but is a very good offensive big in an up-tempo system. He's an outstanding passer and has some pretty solid low-post moves. I can't tell you how many times he hit driving layups that I thought had no chance of going in. He's had a lot of injury issues the past couple of years, so that's a red flag.
C's swap a useless large expiring contract for a useful large expiring contract, assuming Lee actually plays. He's a terrible defender, injury prone, and not young. But he can score the ball and rebound, and maybe Ainge thinks he'll be worth more as a trade chip than Wallace, either as an expiring or bench scoring punch for a contender.
Ken Berger @KBergCBS 4m4 minutes ago
No other components involved in David Lee-Gerald Wallace trade between Golden State and Boston, source says. Straight-up deal.
No other components involved in David Lee-Gerald Wallace trade between Golden State and Boston, source says. Straight-up deal.
Ken Berger @KBergCBS 18s18 seconds ago
No other components involved in David Lee-Gerald Wallace trade between Golden State and Boston, source says. Straight-up deal.
No other components involved in David Lee-Gerald Wallace trade between Golden State and Boston, source says. Straight-up deal.
I would be surprised at this point if Sullinger is on the team on opening night.joe dokes said:
No picks being sent to GS and Danny gets out of that Wallace contract. And a nice expiring salary to have at his disposal, as well. No complaints here.
At first as was not happy about this, then I found out it was for Wallace so it'll be fine. Not a fan of his but he's a valuable asset.
bowiac said:
Because of this trade? Or you've felt that way all along?
Hard to be upset with this trade, Lee will obviously be more useful than Wallace. Wallace makes 10M, Lee makes 15M, so I think GS felt this was the most cost savings they could get. I can't imagine they think Wallace has any remaining usefulness.
I thought there was a trade coming regardless, as they had nine guys in the rotation even with Young, Hunter and Rozier in the d-league. This adds a tenth guy, and he plays the same position as Sullinger. Add that to the rumors that Sullinger was the guy being offered to Charlotte, and the weight-issues, and it sounds like it might be his time.radsoxfan said:
I believe another possible benefit is with the additional salary from Lee, if Ainge can work out a sign and trade for Amir Johnson with the Rondo TPE, that would get them over them cap, giving us access to the MLE and other rights/non-expired exceptions would not need to be renounced.
I guess the theory here must be that he either a) has some role Stevens can imagine and thus might generate a little more value at trade deadline or b) his more expensive contract will be more useful in trading for someone along the way
Is there a player whose traditional box score stats are farther from his actual value than David Lee, at least before he cratered last year?
Is there a player whose traditional box score stats are farther from his actual value than David Lee, at least before he cratered last year?
nattysez said:
Possible that they are using some of their trade exception to take Lee's higher salary.
This post: https://ud.reddit.com/r/bostonceltics/comments/3cf1jl/what_to_watch_for_from_the_celtics_front_office/ seems to think that Babb will be a throw-in to make everything work. The order of processing seems to be key as well.nattysez said:
Can Ainge use a trade exception to take on the additional salary?nattysez said:
I wonder what the point of this is for GSW? Just to clear $5 million?
I imagine Ainge is either going to shuffle Lee along somewhere or Sullinger's days are numbered here as his skills most overlap with Lee.
according to Marc Spears, GW is there to stay
https://twitter.com/SpearsNBAYahoo/status/618495720782336000
https://twitter.com/SpearsNBAYahoo/status/618495720782336000
It saves them about $12M because of the tax. More if they change the plan to keep him, and decide to stretch him instead.Eddie Jurak said:
PedroKsBambino said:
I think the theory is simpler than that. Redundant players, even declining ones, are better than completely useless players.
Once it became clear the 5M salary difference wasn't going to matter to the Celtics this offseason and wasn't going to lead to any important FA signings, makes perfect sense to roll the dice on Lee.
Eddie Jurak said:
No it is not.jsinger121 said:
Trade exceptions can not be used in combination with anything else, and they don't have a trade exception that big.
David Lee is still a very good (by old NBA front line standards) offensive player but his preseason injury allowed Steve Kerr to send him to the bench in favor of Draymond Green, who as we all know by now, fits GS's system better. Lee's defense is widely maligned but when engaged he can be effective as evidenced during the finals (he tends to have mental, rather than physical lapses).
In short, if the C's keep him, he is going to surprise people with his scoring, rebounding and hustle.
In short, if the C's keep him, he is going to surprise people with his scoring, rebounding and hustle.
Celtics replace the 6'8" Brandon Bass with 2 players who are 6'9": Amir Johnson and David Lee
the undersized big quota
the undersized big quota
radsoxfan said:
Could be that simple---it does cost them $5 mil in real money, but they have it to spend.
Keep the expiring, but instead get a player who might actually be useful on the court and on the trade market? Take that every day of the week.
Lee clearly has flaws defensively but is an excellent finisher around the rim, runs the court, can pass a little and rebounds really well. He's also a very likable teammate by all accounts so no chemistry issues to worry about.
Ainge traded a guy who added nothing on the court for a guy who will add something. This also clearly opens the door for another trade, where Ainge ships out either KO or Sullinger along with a guard/picks to get the swingman we desperately need at SF. I'm gonna go out on a limb and guess they trade Sully+Bradley plus maybe one more piece (pick or a guy like Young/Hunter) for Gallinari.
Ainge traded a guy who added nothing on the court for a guy who will add something. This also clearly opens the door for another trade, where Ainge ships out either KO or Sullinger along with a guard/picks to get the swingman we desperately need at SF. I'm gonna go out on a limb and guess they trade Sully+Bradley plus maybe one more piece (pick or a guy like Young/Hunter) for Gallinari.
Lee provides a volume scorer in the front court, and gives Stevens an alternative to Sullinger for inside offense. Otherwise, the Celtics would be far too dependent on their guards for shot creation. He's fun to watch, even if he can't defend. He's a useful rotation player for a .500 team, which can't be said of Gerald Wallace.
Burkharts Uppercut said:
Contracts received in a sign-and-trade must be at least three years long and that cannot include option years. The contract that's been reported for Amir Johnson is for two years with the second year non-guaranteed.
It wouldn't be too hard to add a 3rd non-guaranteed year, only the first year has to be guaranteed in a S&T.Statman said:
If he's healthy and plays like he wants to get paid; brilliant move. No risk either as far as I can tell.
Should fit nicely in this system I would think.
Should fit nicely in this system I would think.
Lee's RPM/RAPM numbers for those interested. Take your ordinary amount of skepticism of RPM and double it with Lee.
This video Curry just tweeted out is funny, and a nice reminder of how awful the old Warriors unis were.
nattysez said:
Trade Machine has the wrong salary/cap info for basically all teams. Also, deals can be processed to be most advantageous to the team:
This is (very very roughly) how it could be done...
1) Renounce most cap holds and TPEs --> ~25M below cap
2) Trade Wallace for Lee --> ~20M below cap
3) Sign Johnson --> ~8M below cap
4) Re-sign Jerebko (note: -3M b/c of 8.5M cap hold) -->~11M below cap *(how fun is this one?)
5) Waive Babb and Pressey --> ~13M below cap
6) Sign rookies --> ~6M below cap
7) Re-sign Crowder (note: +6M b/c of 1M cap hold) --> at cap
Using this sequence, Cs will be fine, well below tax line.
The only downside is losing all those TPEs. Just based on that fact and the extent to which DA values them, I assume there is something lined up so they can stay above cap, make the Johnson deal an S&T, and re-sequence re-signings.