Celtics Free Agent Targets and Rumblings

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Unless we are planning on taking a step backwards signing Horford for 4/$113m isn't the worst option as long as you can get over the fact that you are paying Al Horford 4/$113m.
 

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Sign and trades no longer give you the ability to offer the player what their incumbent team could offer. So, in other words, a sign and trade would restrict the Celtics to offering Horford the four-year max. So, there's really no benefit to the Celtics. If they need room for Durant, they can just trade or waive Jerebko and Johnson and renounce the cap holds on the restricteds and they'll have plenty of room for both Horford and Durant. I don't think you'll see many if any sign and trades this year when so many teams have room.
 

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With Portland spending on Turner I wonder what the Blazers would do if we signed Meyers Leonard to a 4/$80m offer sheet. He'd be such a good fit here.
 

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It worked out pretty well last time Boston landed a guy who had a father named Tito.
 

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Portland has sufficient room ($25.2mm) to sign Turner, but would have to renounce Crabbe/Harkless (approx. $10mm combined) to sign anyone else of significance. If a team signed Crabbe, Harkless or Leonard to an offer sheet, that additional amount would be added to the cap until a decision is made. Since Leonard's cap hold is $7.7mm, Portland could match the offer, after renouncing Crabbe and Harkless.

BTW, Leonard is meeting with TOR, per TMZ.
 

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With Portland spending on Turner I wonder what the Blazers would do if we signed Meyers Leonard to a 4/$80m offer sheet. He'd be such a good fit here.
Can we just have our vassal team (the Nets) do this? They're already making some great moves for the Cs.
 

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With Portland spending on Turner I wonder what the Blazers would do if we signed Meyers Leonard to a 4/$80m offer sheet. He'd be such a good fit here.
Can you explain why you think this? What does he do that Olynyk doesn't?
 

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No, HRB really does love Meyers Leonard. I do too, but I'd rather have Horford.
 

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No, HRB really does love Meyers Leonard. I do too, but I'd rather have Horford.
Is there another Meyers Leonard or something? Of course you'd rather have Horford. He's a great player! Leonard is a poor man's Kelly Olynyk on the other hand.
 

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Having watched Leonard for four years, he might be a poor man's Spencer Hawes. His purported skill set is more theoretical than anything at this point.
 

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Full quote from his IG:

Boston, this was definitely one of the toughest decisions I've ever made. I can't say enough how appreciative I am for all the love and support. Every night I played at TD garden was like a dream come true. Thank you for showing me how a REAL sports city does things! You'll forever be in my heart!! C's up ☘☘☘

Nicely done.
 

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Full quote from his IG:

Boston, this was definitely one of the toughest decisions I've ever made. I can't say enough how appreciative I am for all the love and support. Every night I played at TD garden was like a dream come true. Thank you for showing me how a REAL sports city does things! You'll forever be in my heart!! C's up ☘☘☘
Was it tougher than his decision to not learn how to shoot three-pointers?
 

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Wait. Sully is JAG? He is a starting front line guy in the NBA, who has proven to be better than many of the guys picked ahead of him (hi, Thomas Robinson), and performed well above draft slot. He is considered a top-10 free agent this season in a class filled with big men.

Meanwhile, Zeller is a JAG who the Cs used as a lever to get a pick which turned into IT.

You don't have to like Ainge, and you don't have to think Sullinger or Zeller are right for this team. But you can't say Ainge is some kind of shitty schemer with these two as examples. They're illustrations of why you'd trust him.
 

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That's what she said.
What FreeAgents Remainif we don't land Durant that the Cs would be interested in?

One would think both Amir and Jonas would the be brought back immediately. Then put Brown on the roster and possibly another of the first rounders. And maybe Zeller takes the QO

Of course this is without any trade made to bring in more talent.

Gasol
Ezili
Zaza

Any of them would eat into the cap and need probably three years minimum.
 

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There is little chance that Zeller returns on a QO. He should fire his agent immediately if he can't get a minimum of 3/$25m somewhere and that is the floor imo.
 

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Wait. Sully is JAG? He is a starting front line guy in the NBA, who has proven to be better than many of the guys picked ahead of him (hi, Thomas Robinson), and performed well above draft slot. He is considered a top-10 free agent this season in a class filled with big men.

Meanwhile, Zeller is a JAG who the Cs used as a lever to get a pick which turned into IT.

You don't have to like Ainge, and you don't have to think Sullinger or Zeller are right for this team. But you can't say Ainge is some kind of shitty schemer with these two as examples. They're illustrations of why you'd trust him.
I'm not sure if he's a JAG, but only Kevin Pelton thinks he's a top 10 free agent. CBS has him at 61, a spot above Mosgov. Zeller is definitely a JAG with a little potential, he's in the Cole Aldrich class. I'd expect Sully to get something in the 4 years 50-65M range, and Zeller around 3/20.
I'd be disappointed if Sully was on the Cs next year. He was good value for where he was drafted, but he's already losing lateral quickness, is in terrible condition, and is a bad fit for our offense.
 

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Not much chatter about other Celtics targets, but there are still some guys out there that Ainge should be looking at.

I think Terrence Jones, after a down year, is a good target on a short Amir Johnson type deal. Gives him the chance to re-establish value outside of the shit show that is the Houston Rockets, and he's still a young guy with upside that hasn't entered his prime yet.
 

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Not much chatter about other Celtics targets, but there are still some guys out there that Ainge should be looking at.

I think Terrence Jones, after a down year, is a good target on a short Amir Johnson type deal. Gives him the chance to re-establish value outside of the shit show that is the Houston Rockets, and he's still a young guy with upside that hasn't entered his prime yet.
I mentioned him the the NBA Off-season thread as a reclamation project that I'm interested in. His regression is troubling- he was pretty terrible this year- but it does seem related to the aforementioned shit show, and some flukish injuries. Given his pedigree, age, and glimpses of production, I don't really get the apparent lack of interest around the league. I figured maybe he has a reputation of a headcase that I hadn't heard about.
 

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The Boston Celtics entered the offseason in need of 3-point shooting, and aside from Stephen Curry, perhaps no other shooter in NBA history has been as proficient and efficient as former Celtic Ray Allen.

According to Allen, interviewed by the Hartford Courant, he has talked to the Celtics about a possible comeback.

The Spurs and Clippers have been mentioned, also, but Allen said he has spoken with the Celtics, with whom he won a championship in 2008, and the Bucks, his first NBA stop.

"I would love going back to those places if it worked out," Allen said, "because both teams are good, too. It doesn't necessarily have to be championship-or-bust for me to go back to the NBA.

http://www.masslive.com/celtics/index.ssf/2016/08/boston_celtics_rumors_2016_ray.html
 

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The only thing I don't like about that is we need to give up on one of the kids. Would he take s job as a shooting coach and then join after the all star break?
 

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The Boston Celtics entered the offseason in need of 3-point shooting, and aside from Stephen Curry, perhaps no other shooter in NBA history has been as proficient and efficient as former Celtic Ray Allen.

According to Allen, interviewed by the Hartford Courant, he has talked to the Celtics about a possible comeback.

The Spurs and Clippers have been mentioned, also, but Allen said he has spoken with the Celtics, with whom he won a championship in 2008, and the Bucks, his first NBA stop.

"I would love going back to those places if it worked out," Allen said, "because both teams are good, too. It doesn't necessarily have to be championship-or-bust for me to go back to the NBA.

http://www.masslive.com/celtics/index.ssf/2016/08/boston_celtics_rumors_2016_ray.html
Is Less Than Zero a chance? I mean this isn't even a Jim Carrey of a chance. We already have 18 players under contract with 16 of them FULLY guaranteed. And Ray Allen is so 2009.


Ring. Ring.

Ainge (sees number)- Uh hello?

Allen- Hey Boss! Been working really hard lately I feel that spring coming back. Whatcha think?

Ainge- Uh, think that's great Ray. How is the family doing?

Allen- Oh man they are fantastic and very supportive of my comeback.

Ainge- Good to hear. How is the new restaurant coming along? Nice that you have some post-NBA interests.

Allen- It runs itself allowing me time to work on my comeback. So what if......

Ainge- Hey Ray I don't mean to cut you short but Jaylen lost a rook and needs me to help him. Maybe we'll see you this winter. Later.
 

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Yeah, it was fun a couple years back, but could he give enough quality minutes to justify it now? I seriously doubt it.
 

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Dude was a sieve his last few years. A young team with a tough defensive identity doesn't need him at the point of attack, as much fun as it would be to watch younger players keep up with him as he tried to lose them around screens.
 

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among many other reasons, but Ray did take less money to go to the Heat b'c he was pissed DA kept trying to trade him
I thought it was because he was pissed about his usage and being bumped down to fourth peg?
It was a combination of all of the above that caused Judas Shuttleswoth to leave $6M on the table to sign with the Heat.

Straight from Doc via Yahoo Sports article:

"Think about everything [Allen] said when he left, 'I want to be more of a part of the offense.' Everything was back at Rondo. And I look at that, and say, 'That's not Rondo's fault.' That's what I wanted Rondo to do, and that's what Rondo should've done. Because that's Rondo's ability. He's the best passer in the league. He has the best feel in the league. He's not a great shooter, so he needs the ball in his hands to be effective. And that bothered Ray.

"And not starting [games] bothered Ray. I did examine it, and the conclusion I came back to was this: By doing the right things, we may have lost Ray. If I hadn't done that, I would've been a hypocrite. In the opening speech I make every year, I tell the team: 'Every decision I make is going to be what's good for the team, and it may not be what's good for the individual.'"
Allen had problems with how he was compensated and the fact that his name was constantly included in trade talks, sources told Yahoo! Sports.
https://www.yahoo.com/news/olympics--doc-rivers-takes-blame-for-ray-allen-leaving-celtics-for-heat-.html

Fuck Ray Allen. I appreciate what he did for the Celtics, but when Pierce is even throwing shade on a player, then that is someone I don't want in a young locker room.