Celtics pick Carsen Edwards at #33 in 2nd Rd (Are you glad you stayed awake now?)

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The issue is that if Arson did turn out to be a guy you want to play for 30+ mins a night, it's very hard to find those minutes with Kemba playing PG.
It was interesting watching Waters and Edwards play against Sexton and Windler - two big guards. While there were certainly times that the Cavs size at guard won on the Cavs offensive end, it was also true that Waters and Edwards had their way on the defensive end.

I.e., the problem may not be that Edwards has to defend big guards but how will big guards defend Edwards.

Brad's system makes it easier for Edwards to play defense as they basically play a matchup 2-3 zone early in the shot clock switching most matchups on the perimeter.
 

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Brad's system makes it easier for Edwards to play defense as they basically play a matchup 2-3 zone early in the shot clock switching most matchups on the perimeter.
The bolded is a very salient point.

So while I heavily criticized Brad's need to play small with Al almost exclusively at the 5 last season. I think its perfectly fine to go small by using Kemba/Arsen at the top of the matchup zone. They just need to play solid on-ball defense, use their size to get up/underneath ball handlers and interfere with the passing lane. AND the other 3 on the court for the Celtics have to be plus defenders for their position. Brad used Rozier/Kyrie together plenty last season, so I wouldn't be completely shocked to see Brad play Kemba/Arsen together. Plus Brad is going to heavily experiment with rotations to start the season, so we'll get see if it has the potential to work

Toronto's smurf combo, VanVleet/Lowry, is the gold standard for this type of rotation (of course they were surrounded by Kawhi, Siakem, Gasol or Ibaka)
 
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It was interesting watching Waters and Edwards play against Sexton and Windler - two big guards. While there were certainly times that the Cavs size at guard won on the Cavs offensive end, it was also true that Waters and Edwards had their way on the defensive end.

I.e., the problem may not be that Edwards has to defend big guards but how will big guards defend Edwards.

Brad's system makes it easier for Edwards to play defense as they basically play a matchup 2-3 zone early in the shot clock switching most matchups on the perimeter.
not shocked. And wish I could find the Tweet, but pre draft on the analytics guys posted the guys who played bigger than their size and by how much (based on their numbers).

it said Edwards numbers played like a guy who was 6-6.
 

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Besides just his pure scoring ability I really think his borderline elite quickness AND strength were overlooked by evaluators. Fourteen bench press reps at the combine is no joke. He'll be exposed to some degree defensively but he has the drive and strength to fight through screens on the perimeter, bigger players will be able to take advantage of him but it will be interesting to see how he uses his strength when a player a foot taller posts him up on a switch.
 

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Besides just his pure scoring ability I really think his borderline elite quickness AND strength were overlooked by evaluators. Fourteen bench press reps at the combine is no joke. He'll be exposed to some degree defensively but he has the drive and strength to fight through screens on the perimeter, bigger players will be able to take advantage of him but it will be interesting to see how he uses his strength when a player a foot taller posts him up on a switch.
Decorated upperclassmen seem to be a nice way to play the late first/2nd round. Siakam, Brogdon, Harrell, Hart, Kuzma, Shamet, Draymond Green, Dwight Powell, Joe Harris, Derrick White, Monte Morris etc have recently paved the way for Arsen and Grant
 

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more on Arsen's Cleveland explosion:

Edwards finished 9-of-15 from 3-point range and scored 30 points. He made four 30-footers in the third quarter alone; across the NBA over the past 20 seasons, the most 30-footers made in a regular-season quarter is two.

Steph, can you hear his footsteps?
 

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Nice piece in the Athletic on some similarities in Kemba’s and Edwards’ jump shooting game and what the rookie can learn from the All-Star:

https://theathletic.com/1307037/2019/10/20/kemba-walker-carsen-edwards-and-the-art-of-mastering-the-pull-up-jumper/
“There’s actually a move that I want to learn to do more that I see Kemba do well,” Edwards said. “He comes off the screen tight and stops right at the 3, and the defender’s trying to come off the screen as hard as he can, so he ends up running into (Walker). So when (Walker) goes straight up into his pull-up, they’ll call a foul if (the defender) comes up under his legs, which is something that I think works. It’s really all the feel.”
Edwards has that gift. He is built like a running back: herky-jerky shoulders atop the most talked-about thighs in the league. Every time he catches the ball, he looks like he is doing a little dance before he makes his move, trying to twist the defender into a pretzel before exploding into a shot or drive. While many players have to adjust to the way defense is played in the NBA, Edwards is already used to having defenders tightly chase him over screens and having to work every angle, just like Walker.

“If you can feel the defender still on your hip when you’re going off the screen and they stay tight and they don’t go under the screen, then you can just keep going downhill towards the rim ’cause he’s already on your hip and you can make the play,” Edwards said. “But if he goes under it, you can flip the screen, you can retwist the screen and come off it again and get downhill into the pull-up. It’s all a feel for the game that you get.”

Walker has mastered this cat-and-mouse game over the years, while Edwards is making the transition to playing it against much bigger, faster and smarter defenders. In college, Edwards would keep taking what the defense was giving him, between a lane to the hoop or the deep shot, and then know when to catch it off balance. But against NBA defenses, he has been noticing they are just pushing him into open space near the sidelines and giving him the midrange shot.

“He’s got a very unique skill set, which is pretty impressive, man,” Walker said of Edwards. “Like, his shot-making ability — it’s crazy.”
“Watch and learn, man. There’s nothing wrong with watching your peers, watching the guys you play with and play against each and every night,” Walker said. “Like, like Carsen, he has me, so that’s definitely, I would say, my bread and butter. That’s one of my favorite shots to get to is the pull-up. So yeah, I want to help him as much as possible.”

Last year’s offense was often bogged down by misguided and inopportune pull-up jump shots. This year, everyone, and Brown in particular, will need to show their shot selection has matured. It’s the perfect environment for Edwards to learn how to play with that same energy without getting himself into trouble.

“For a young cat, man, I would definitely say not only practice in the gym but watch film and watch other guys,” said Walker. “But watch yourself as well.”
 

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I’m not gonna link it here, but Carsen’s Twitter account has apparently been hacked. At least I hope so. Tweeted some hardcore videos (not of himself) about an hour ago. Occupational hazard in today’s NBA...