Celtics/Sixers First Round Thread

bigq

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u guys are way better but philly size will push this to 6 or 7
That would be disappointing given that Simmons is out. I’m hopeful that the Celtics will run circles around the slow Sixers. My guess is the Celtics win the series in 5.
 

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People really underestimate Simmons. There are a lot of trickle-down effects from his not playing:
- no one to attack Kanter at the rim
- non-Embiid minutes are shit instead of potent Horford+Simmons lineups
- Philly loses its best perimeter defender and there will be wing mismatches galore

In terms of covering Embiid, health makes such a difference here. 18 fouls to give from 3 guys you’re fine having on the floor should get you through.
 

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Celtics just can't half-ass it on defense. They need to either clamp down on Embiid or stay at home on their (underrated) shooters, but commit to one assignment or the other. But if Embiid decides to fancy himself as a perimeter player like he has done at certain points in addition to not having Simmons driving the lane, their job is a whole lot easier.
 

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Embiid is a beast, but Celts have four of the five best players, and Tatum isn’t that far off from Embiid. Oversimplification sure, but with no Simmons, the Celtics are much more talented.

Celts in 5.
 

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I don't quite get this. He's an 81% ft shooter, aren't we much better off not fouling him?

C's in 5.
I think it’s more about staying aggressive on defense and not allowing easy buckets no matter how many fouls you have than a “Hack A Embiid” strategy to make him take free throws
 

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Tatum is better than Embiid.
I agree personally, was just trying to be relatively unbiased lol. Embiid doesn’t consistently try hard enough.

Tatum finished 8th in PIPM, 7th in LARAPM, 12th in RPM, 10th in RAPTOR, then 11th and 16th in VORP and BPM. Was ahead of Embiid in every single one.
 

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Philly is probably hurt more than any other Bubble team and not getting any home games. Front-running team that feeds off the crowd. If the Celtics put the clamps down early in the series, gotta wonder if Embiid checks out a little early.
 

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Philly is probably hurt more than any other Bubble team and not getting any home games. Front-running team that feeds off the crowd. If the Celtics put the clamps down early in the series, gotta wonder if Embiid checks out a little early.
You have to wonder if the whole team checks out and says we want to go home and get out of this bubble. Also, Brett Brown is coaching for his job potentially this series. Will be interesting if that changes the motivation for the team if they want Brown long-term. If they don't, well they'll check out anyways.
 

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Philly is probably hurt more than any other Bubble team and not getting any home games. Front-running team that feeds off the crowd. If the Celtics put the clamps down early in the series, gotta wonder if Embiid checks out a little early.
Philly went 29-2 this year at home. The Celtics clearly catch a break having to play them in the bubble.
 

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I’m not entirely sold yet that this young Cs team has the mentality/focus to just destroy inferior opponents over a 7-game series, and the Sixers size is a concern regardless of Simmons being out and the improved play from the likes of TL.

I think are there are going to be 1 or 2 games where we’re left collectively shaking our head and going “what the fuck did we just watch”? But in the NBA talent generally wins out and Boston is the more talented team so I’ll say Cs in 7.
 

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Getting fouled 18 times, and many more uncalled fouls on top of that, will wear anyone down.
Exactly, there’s a body-blow aspect to it, especially with a guy like Embiid who is stretching it conditioning-wise to play 36 good minutes. But mostly it’s just the fact that Embiid gets guys in foul trouble; it’s what he does. Having that not totally destroy your rotations and talent level is a big deal.
 

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Will be fascinating to see which Embiid shows up. If he knows he has to be the MAN for 40 mins a night does he settle for a few lazy 3s to conserve energy? Losing Simmons is a big blow since they'll really have to lean on Embiid. Maybe there's a chance for an Al renaissance if he gets to play some 5 against Theis or Kanter on non-Embiid minutes. Should be a fun matchups I'd go C's in 5.
 

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The problem is that Al is going to have to log minutes with Embiid to have maximum impact, which means one or the other will need to be chasing guys around on the perimeter. Something that Al no longer does well and that Embiid can't do for extended time (Horford was the worst signing of last summer, but Al will look a lot better as a starting C somewhere when Philly trades him this fall).
 

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The problem is that Al is going to have to log minutes with Embiid to have maximum impact, which means one or the other will need to be chasing guys around on the perimeter. Something that Al no longer does well and that Embiid can't do for extended time (Horford was the worst signing of last summer, but Al will look a lot better as a starting C somewhere when Philly trades him this fall).
You're usually pretty good putting together fake trades that make sense for both teams.

What team (contender) has the cap space (with the cap going lower) to spend $27MM/yr over 3 seasons for 34-36yr Horford to play Center (a plethora of those offered on the cheap in FA)???

76ers could staple assets to Al OR take $$$ back, bad contracts.
 

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I’m not entirely sold yet that this young Cs team has the mentality/focus to just destroy inferior opponents over a 7-game series, and the Sixers size is a concern regardless of Simmons being out and the improved play from the likes of TL.

I think are there are going to be 1 or 2 games where we’re left collectively shaking our head and going “what the fuck did we just watch”? But in the NBA talent generally wins out and Boston is the more talented team so I’ll say Cs in 7.
This is my concern as well, though that Toronto game (I know I know, SSS) was quite impressive in terms of showing an ability to rise to the challenge and execute.
 

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Wiggins + Draymond + top 5 pick for Simmons + Horford works in the trade machine.
It works for the trade and I see a fit on the Warriors but that's a lot of extra dough for even less spacing than Horford provides. The 76ers need more shooting period. Imagine Klay on that team...
 

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I assume SRN's proposal was tongue-in-cheek, Draymond's best asset is a small-ball five with shooting all around him, if you thought Horford was bad playing alongside Embiid, Green would be significantly worse. Wiggins is a negative asset, and a top five pick isn't as appealing as this is a pretty weak draft.

I agree that Simmons and Embiid need their own teams. The way the NBA is going I lean towards Simmons being the one you keep, Embiid would get you more in a trade and if you have Simmons + four shooters I think he would be devastating. Embiid I just can't see being the centerpiece of a championship team, too many questions about his conditioning, health, shot selection, focus, etc. that haven't been answered.
 

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Wiggins would need to be stapled to the first pick in order to return an asset. Practically speaking they'd probably need to include the Minnesota pick as well given that the two options at #1 have real concerns. Edwards, the consensus #1, tends to take too many plays off and his jumpshot needs work. Wiseman has a ton of talent, but we haven't really seen him with extended run against advanced competition.

On the other hand, Horford's also a huge net negative. So a Wiggins/Green/#1/Minnesota #1 for Simmons/Horford might work for both teams. Which means that it will never happen.
 

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Yeah I think that’s got to be it for him for the season. He showed flashes that were encouraging. Hope he comes back even better next season (which isn’t really that far away).
 

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Yeah I think that’s got to be it for him for the season. He showed flashes that were encouraging. Hope he comes back even better next season (which isn’t really that far away).
Agreed. If he's going to require surgery, better he has it now than after what we hope will be a long playoff run for the C's.
 

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Within the games this season, when the Celtics played their game, spreading on the perimeter, making threes, and driving to the hoop against slower defenders, they hammered the Sixers. When the Sixers pounded the paint, they hammered the Celtics.

Without Simmons, and with the Celtics having the ability to torture lineups with AL and Embiid, on the permiteter, and with Embiid not going to be able to feed off the home crowd, I see the Celtics winning in 5, and possibly sweeping.
 

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Within the games this season, when the Celtics played their game, spreading on the perimeter, making threes, and driving to the hoop against slower defenders, they hammered the Sixers. When the Sixers pounded the paint, they hammered the Celtics.

Without Simmons, and with the Celtics having the ability to torture lineups with AL and Embiid, on the permiteter, and with Embiid not going to be able to feed off the home crowd, I see the Celtics winning in 5, and possibly sweeping.
Perkins on ESPN said that Embiid is also nursing an ankle injury?
 

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Perkins on ESPN said that Embiid is also nursing an ankle injury?
He twisted it a week ago against Portland then missed the following game against Phoenix. He played 14 and 23 minutes in the final two games, so while he's supposed to be fine, we don't really know for sure.
 

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Nice write-up on the Sixers offense on BSJ today:
The header picture they chose is just choice. I absolutely loved that moment.



The more I look at Marcus's face, the funnier it becomes. That, and the fact that Embiid flopped like he was a 300-pound Neymar out there when a guy half his size gave him a little push.
 

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Perkins on ESPN said that Embiid is also nursing an ankle injury?
Perkins says a lot of things out of his arse. Embiid played in Friday’s meaningless 40-pt win over Houston and was all over the place while defending like it was a playoff game, diving out of bounds, etc. He’s about as 100% as he’ll ever be.
 

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The header picture they chose is just choice. I absolutely loved that moment.



The more I look at Marcus's face, the funnier it becomes. That, and the fact that Embiid flopped like he was a 300-pound Neymar out there when a guy half his size gave him a little push.
It took me awhile, but I finally figured out who Smart's facial expression reminds me of in that picture.

 

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The Celtics honestly should be fine even if Embiid goes for like 40-20. The Sixers need that out of Embiid and they will need a few of Milton/Harris/Richardson/Korkmaz to hit threes to beat the Celtics. On defense, Philly really doesn't have anyone to guard Tatum which is a massive problem. It will be an incredible test for Embiid, he is going to have to show that his conditioning can handle being the constant focus of a defenses attention for an entire playoff series, AND he will have to make really quick decisions because Smart/Tatum/Brown/Hayward are going to be coming in quickly when he posts up and trying to force turnovers.
 

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It took me awhile, but I finally figured out who Smart's facial expression reminds me of in that picture.
The half-smile of "ok, time for a business decision", one involving mild violence, also gives me a ring of...

 

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Romeo got in the game for 10 seconds in garbage time. Hopefully he can go for a few minutes for the rest of the series.
 

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The Celtics honestly should be fine even if Embiid goes for like 40-20. The Sixers need that out of Embiid and they will need a few of Milton/Harris/Richardson/Korkmaz to hit threes to beat the Celtics. On defense, Philly really doesn't have anyone to guard Tatum which is a massive problem. It will be an incredible test for Embiid, he is going to have to show that his conditioning can handle being the constant focus of a defenses attention for an entire playoff series, AND he will have to make really quick decisions because Smart/Tatum/Brown/Hayward are going to be coming in quickly when he posts up and trying to force turnovers.
Thybulle showed he can hang with Tatum. Celtics have enough motion they can free him off him a decent amount but I thought Thybulle was again impressive tonight